RE:statue of chinese guy
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Apr 25, 2007 08:00 AM Permalink
Because he was their most famous student? Perhaps because his work was the only real documentation of what went on at Nalanda? Perhaps because his work made nalanda known outside the region? Dont be such a racist... If he was their best student or major contributor towards the university's prestige, he should be recognized.
RE:statue of chinese guy
by Prashanth on Apr 25, 2007 07:54 PM Permalink
It's got nothing to do with racism, only national pride. It's just that we indians are quick to recognize the contribution of foreigners in any field but also quick to put ourselves down. Surely there were founders/teachers/artists etc. who actively built up the univ and made it what it was.
RE:statue of chinese guy
by arvind goguri on Apr 26, 2007 12:22 AM Permalink
He might have documented some things, but the famous scientists like Aryabhatta, Varaha mihira are from Nalanda university. They studied there, worked as professors and researched there. You should recognise and remember Aryabhatta for contributing 'ZERO' to the world. I don't think the chinese guy was the most famous student.
if u do a proper study of history ull find a diff story. the turko mongol race residing in cetral asia has always been known for plundering and having a nomadic lifestyle. their ancestors including genghis khan (who was not a muslim) had gone looted many places in china, europe, indian subcontinent and imddle east. they even had destroyed baghdad and the libraries there. but later on predessors converted to islam. but still they continued their old habits. the religion that they wished to follow was a comination of islam and their original religion and they somehow thought they were doing the right thing. their race has surely committed lot of destruction including the bamiyan in afghanistan, which agn they feel was a correct thing to do as their ancestors had done similar things, but acording to islam are totally wrong things to do.
RE:nalanda
by suhail shareef on Apr 24, 2007 11:44 PM Permalink
thanks for this different view.
muslims are nowadays very easily blamed. if a muslim complains that he got a raw deal in something then he is said to be playing a minority card. but i always find my hindu friends in office, who are from a different state, always complaining that their work is not recognised as they are from diff state and speak diff language. and their boss is very biased towards them. but then this is never considered as playing minority card.
RE:nalanda
by pramod nair on Apr 25, 2007 12:43 AM Permalink
MsDubey---=once agian bullshit for the sale of bullshit Atleast read a few history books before writing such mega crap.Was moh ghori a mongol? Was timur lane a mongol? was Ghaznavi a mongol? What about the dirty caliphs who plunderred and drove away parsees from persia Or prophet mohd whose quest started with the killing of a tribe in medina who refused to convert? Islam never had a golden era ie a misconseption spread by historians with addled brains. the so called Islamic science and culture was just the sunset period of the all those glorious civilizations they destroyed and humiliated in their missionary zeal. For eg persia india byzantine they merely translated hindu,persian and greek manuscripts on science to arabic --as if thts a big deal.
RE:RE:nalanda
by sonali dubey on Apr 25, 2007 01:23 AM Permalink
mr. nair, dont be in a rush.... i referred to central asians as turko mongols..not only mongol timur the lame (not lane as u wrote) is a descendent of Genghis khan. see this wikipedia article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur_the_Lame Also babur was great grandson of timor. The word Mughal in persian means mongol. Still how come you are not so critical of the mongols, like the way u criticise muslims, even though mongols were very well known for their plundering and destruction. ur thinkg is mainly bcos, mongols dont have much relevance in present age, but muslims u see them everyday, and so u hate them more.
Regarding persia, it was bcos at that time there was a political crisis in persia and the people didnt want the existing ruler of iran. infact it is well known that when arabs came, the people of persia had welcomed them. but some persians close to the ruler had fled to india. there wasnt any attack on the people of persia by arabs.
RE:nalanda
by Sunit Kumar on Apr 25, 2007 04:47 AM Permalink
No way, then tell me why is whole of persia is a shia nation, as per ur theory they should be parsis. so tell me r u from pakistan under some false name...
RE:nalanda
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Apr 25, 2007 07:57 AM Permalink
Sonali, pre-emptive strike: Iranians are not Turko mongol, and neither are iraqis. Iraqis are of arab-iranian stock. Iranians themselves are of Indo-Iranian (or Aryan/ Indo-European) stock. Not related to Arabs or Mongols. Same applies to Indians, Pakistanis, Afghans... Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmen etc are Turko-mongol.
RE:RE:RE:nalanda
by Santosh Kumar on Apr 25, 2007 12:32 PM Permalink
Excellent Sonali!!!
I salute your knowledge and confident on the subject. Keep it up.
People like Mr Nair can have believe on only hypothetical things with dirty mind like he mentioned "they merely translated Hindu, Persian and Greek manuscripts on science to Arabic" which has no relevance in any history book except those written by RSS cadres.
These people only know to put communal hate between humankind and blame others.
RE:nalanda
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Apr 25, 2007 07:39 AM Permalink
Actually, it is also timurlane or tamerlane - it is a corruption of timur-e-lang, or timur the lame. Now, Afghans are NOT mongols or turko-mongols. They are Indo-iranian. Have you seen what Uzbeks (Fergana, Babur's homeland is now in Uzbekistan) look like? They have mongoloid features. Look at paintings of Babur, for example. The people who invaded Persia, destroying the persian civilization (which Nair alludes to in his parsi exodus) were Arabs. Nadir Shah et al were Persians. Ghazni, Ghouri etc were Afghan pashtuns, nothing to do with Mongols. Get your facts straight.
I'm not buying everything he said, but your knowledge of history and genealogy are quite shallow.
I salute your knowledge and confident on the subject. Keep it up.
People like Mr Nair can have believe on only hypothetical things with dirty mind like he mentioned "they merely translated Hindu, Persian and Greek manuscripts on science to Arabic" which has no relevance in any history book except those written by RSS cadres.
These people only know to put communal hate between humankind and blame others.
RE:nalanda
by BhejaFry on Apr 25, 2007 02:46 PM Permalink
really, if u r really 'sonali' and not a 'M' hiding under 'H' name then tell me 1. who attacked jerusalem ,Persia egypt ? It was Umar al-khattib,a arab and prophet mohammads trusted liuetnant.
2.and who attacked India ? it was mohammad bin qasim, a arab.and who where mohammad ghazni, ghori , khilji? were they mongols?
mongols came much later in 13th , 14th century, arabs were invading much before that since 7th century. arabs viewed mongols as competitors in conquests.
RE:RE:nalanda
by sonali dubey on Apr 25, 2007 11:37 PM Permalink
how u came up with 0.005% guess u took max then decimal then meridian... gotcha.
its pretty obvious that i am a M acting like a H. what do to yaar, when u c a M's comment tum log tut pudthe hona and discussion goes to kashmiri pandit issue and a H&M war starts here.
ghazni didnt have mongal lineage, but he did have turk blood. there might have been instances of muslims attack on others, but the bottomline is that both turkic and mongol ppl were known for their nomadic life and for plundering, even before islam. and the lifestyles of these ppl did have an affect on afghan race also, and they too started the same. so u shouldnt just blame islam for all this. cmon guys its clearly written in quran to respect all humankind and god doesnt like trouble makers. and ppl in past who attacked others thinking that god is with them, bcos they r muslims will surely burn in hell...if there is one!!
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by BhejaFry on Apr 26, 2007 02:25 PM Permalink
2. and who attacked India ? it was mohammad bin qasim, a arab.and who where mohammad ghazni, ghori , khilji? were they mongols?
RE:nalanda
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Apr 25, 2007 07:53 AM Permalink
Genghis Khan conquerred Persia and Iraq, post islamization. By then the arabs had already invaded and destroyed persia. Genghis Khan's empire did include parts of what is now Pakistan and Afghanistan, and the name Khan is found among Pashtuns, but that does not necessarily imply that every Khan is a decendant of the great Khan. Khan is not a last name for Genghis Khan - it was a title, meaning something like King. In any event, your views are as "racist" as anyone else here - you seem to imply that anyone who breeds with a mongol is a bloodthirsty barbarian. The afghans dont look anything like mongols, which implies the mongol stock in them is really, really negligible. You are no different than people here bashing islam.
Your theory does not explain the arab invasion of persia or persian invasions of Afghanistan or afghan invasions of india. Sorry but 0.005% mongol cannot make someone a mongol...
I hear Arjun Singh, our distinguished HRD minister, already has detailed plans for how the reservations will be applied for this great university.
He has assured that the open category will get no less than 0.00001%.
My point is its the people - teachers, good politicians and students - that make a university great and not just a name. May be Nalanda is still not ready to be revivied. Do we want to say the name Nalanda with respect or with disgust?
I have a feeling things are exagerated on this topic. Our government can never do anything without putting their shitty politics into everywhere. I still have a small wish/hope somewhere inside my heart that this should become a reality.
going to centre for approval is it??? Mr Jha dont waste your time and energy 'cause a demon who goes by the glorious name of arjun singh is HRD minister and will kill anything that will caste a shadow on him....so pls beware!!!
wht say folks....bihar mafia will build , will study in it and oh why not ? live in it...so get out the rest if you want to save your precious lives....Mr. CM first get the basic infrastructure in place in your state , give your children basic education, give them food to eat for god's sake and then think about building a higher seat of learning...a hungry, illiterate and poor child doesnt need this univ. of your. so instead of wasting precious funds please put them to good use. needless to add we dont doubt your credentials but it what is the need of the hour.
