Reservation, the only source that can solve the problem of discriminated and ignored society. If you don't reserve the seats then these cunning and selfish people will not select the weaker section of our society. Without reservation you can not improve our society also. This is other discussion that Government should change the rules within the reservation policy. We all know very well that how much partiality and discrimination always take place during the time of interview. Without reservation they will select maximum of the upper class society people (who are in minority) and poor backwards community (those are in majority) will be isolated. There policy will make them slave again. Who are the SC judges?? Maximum are the upper caste people. Maximum populations of our society are backward, schedule caste and tribes. Supreme Court should keep in mind that they can not go against the majority of the population (i.e. backward, schedule caste and tribes). This discrimination will sure lead to instability, insecurity and increase in the crime rate in our society. We are creating the great vacuum between Majority (lower caste) and Minority (upper caste). Reservation is the only source to bring these people in the main stream. We should respect the majority of the people of our country. If you don't give right today they will take it by force tomorrow and that will be the worse day for all of us. The Government and Supreme Court should not only thing for the profit of the corporate world. They should have to care and thing about the weaker section of our society and thing about how to bring these ignored communities in the main stream of our social system. They are the real Indians. Please don't celebrate, only reservation makes our society safe. Thanks.
RE:ONLY RESERVATION MAKES OUR SOCIETY SAFE!
by whoamI whoamI on Apr 24, 2007 11:04 AM Permalink
Kausar: In any society, there is majority and minority in many dimensions. Urban is minority compared to rural India. Wealthy India is a minority compared to poor India. Why only caste as the basis of discrimination?
And you are right. Majority wins. 60 years ago the majority decided that Jews be killed and a holocaust happened in Germany. A few years ago the majority in USA supported Bush and many die in Iraq as a result. Majority wins alright, but is not always right.
RE:ONLY RESERVATION MAKES OUR SOCIETY SAFE!
by on Apr 24, 2007 12:37 PM Permalink
hi mr.brother, the so called ur leaders like arjun singh are not fighting for u people. they are fighting for them selves for the sake of votes.for their sons and daughters to get admission into esteemed universities, which they can not do without reservations.in my view these resevations only help creamy layer of ur society. it will not really help the people who required most. how u think a person who do not have a previlige to have basic education like the people living in rural areas and slums would go to these esteemed universities.idf u and ur leaders really have love on ur socities first try to provide these basic amenities.why the people like arjun singh and laalu require reservation. is they do not have money to provide education to their children. if those people really love ur society first ask them to stop using reservation, and give that previlige to needy people. and why they need reservation in politics also. is they not developed enough to fight on unresrved seat. instead provide that opportunity to another people in ur society who are not developed, if they really have love on u(which they do not have).most of the people which r heading the departments for backward people welfare r from ur society only. still y the money not reaching the people(like scholorships.) u r leaders fight for money and power not for u buddy. so i think reservation should be provided on the basis of economic back ground but not based on caste. comments r welcome.
Our country is aonly surviving because of the initiatives of Supreme court & media.....otherwise politicians would have cut & sold our motherland long time back.Even educated ministers like Dr Arjun Singh behae in such a manner
RE:Arjun singh should resign immediately...if he has some shame
by Ramesh P on Apr 24, 2007 11:17 AM Permalink
he doesn't have, I feel he would die before he leaves his chair.
The clamour for reservations and excluding certain minority sections of the society by the majority with the backing and instigation of the political leaders, the silent and vocal support from the opposition, support from the bureaucracy and media were all heard - 60 years ago in Germany. This was the genesis of Hitler's holocaust and reservations are threatening the same in the land of Gandhi. What a plight has befallen our nation.
Pls put all your story and encourage this harmony in society,I belive people from cast comunity also would to have a change and they would like to call first rather then second,as the country's first PM to the chief ministers, which said: "I dislike any kind of reservation, more particularly in services. I react strongly against anything, which leads to inefficiency and second rate standards. I want my country to be a first class country in everything. The moment we encourage the second rate, we are lost."
RE:Arjun Do Not Give UP
by ramanujam narayan on Apr 24, 2007 10:43 AM Permalink
What social justice you are talking about. Dividing the country on caste and religious basis is not social justice. It is only vote catching tactics and you fools thing by getting this reservation you will benefit. Then why you have not benefited in this 57 yrs of reservation in public sector. Why many of the public sector are in dole drums? Can you answer this questions. No you cannot. Now reservation in elite institution and private sector will cause a similar situation that the public sector is facing.
RE:Arjun Do Not Give UP
by whoamI whoamI on Apr 24, 2007 10:52 AM Permalink
Yes, Mr. Singh we are with you. In your fight against social injustice, in your punishments meted for ancestoral sins, in your propaganda to promote backwardness, in your grand plan to defeat merit, in your scheme to garner more votes in the veil of equality, in your evil devious plans to circumvent moral values, in your folly that will reserve a seat for Mr. Karunanidhi's grandchild.
RE:Arjun Do Not Give UP
by wani bhardwaj on Apr 24, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
WHAT DO YOU MEAN, IN THE NAME OF ANCESOTRS SINS, YOU WANTS TO GIVE PUNISHMENT TO THE WHOLE SO CALLED FORWARD CASTS AS YOU ARE TELLING. WHAT IS THE JUSTICE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. IF YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER MAKING MISTAKES, DO YOU THINK THAT YOU SHOULD BE PUNISHED AND THAT IS THE JUSTICE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? IF SO, THIS TYPE OF JUSTICE WILL ONLY EXISTS IN THE JUNGLE RAJ AND NOT IN A DEMOCRACY.
RE:Arjun Do Not Give UP
by funky ginny on Apr 24, 2007 10:56 AM Permalink
Mr ghosh... i fell pity on u.... do u think arjun singh is with you...... these blady politicians are not of their family...so who are u???? if their efforts had been truthful...then after 60 years of independence the situation would not had been like this. what should i say????? only God may give u some wisdom.....
RE:Arjun Do Not Give UP
by Anupam Shukla on Apr 24, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
One "more" flew over the cuckoo's nest!! Arjun Singh belongs to the Asylum, and all his supporters too, including you-Ghosh!
RE:Arjun Do Not Give UP
by Redford Roark on Apr 24, 2007 11:21 AM Permalink
Why insult Jack Nicholson ? One flew under the cuckoo's nest ! Redford Roark
RE:Arjun Do Not Give UP
by wani bhardwaj on Apr 24, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
I CHALLENGE ARJUN SINGH AND THE SO-CALLED PRO RESERVATIONISTS TO CHANGE THE SOCIAL INJUSTICE, THEY SHOULD VOWS THAT THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS WILL BE MARRIED FROM LOWER CASTS. MERE LIP SERVICE IS NOT A SOLUTION, PLEASE NOTE.
RE:Arjun Do Not Give UP
by munna sharma on Apr 24, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
Arjun singh is in favour of reservation because he knows that he is not going to leave more than 4-5 years.but after that if he would have succeded in implementing the reservation,like V.P.singh he will be always remembered in OBC society .anyway not any of his decendents or family member is going to study inIIMs,IITs and AIIMS,but their political position will be good.and why only blame him our hounarable P.M is also keen interested to implement reservation by this acedamic year.these bloody politician are only thinking about their vote bank.they want to jeoparadise the brand name of these premier institute.
The Supreme Court%u2019s recent decision and reiteration to stay the order regarding OBC admissions until accurate data is available has brought forth the expected reactions. Defenders of %u2018equality%u2019 won by ignoring caste are hailing it; proponents of reservations are trying to put on a brave face. But in one way, the decision is helpful: the Supreme Court has given cogent arguments for the need for information to underlay policy. However, what many of the opponents of reservations may not appreciate is that this brings up squarely, once again, the argument for a caste-based census.
The demand for this is now rising, and the Congress has issued a statement rejecting such an option. Why it has done so is hard to understand. If getting information about caste is %u2018divisive%u2019, then so is trying to remedy the situation. How do we remedy it without really good information? There is no adequate answer to this question.
Many Indians opposed to a caste-based census have for years argued the issue in terms of divisiveness. Some have even made wild projections of chaos, violence and fragmentation. Yet, for decades, the United States has had not only fairly far-reaching programmes of affirmative action, but also a race-based census: people are asked their race, and do not consider this an insult. The policy has not led to chaos and violence, but rather has provided the foundation for efforts to remedy the situation.
In the 1960s, the US did have a certain amount of violence, with ghetto rebellions, fights with the police and uprisings of angry young Black men and women. The situation was too extreme to ignore; instead, policy decisions were made. Now Blacks have penetrated more fields than ever before, and race riots are a thing of the past, even if racism itself has not been entirely overcome. Recognising the existence of race, like caste, is not the road to ruin, but is a necessary prerequisite for dealing with, and resolving, the issue.
Those who argue for %u2018merit%u2019 ignore the fact that merit is not linked to caste. Here, biological inheritance and social conditioning have to be carefully differentiated. The reason that people of %u2018higher%u2019 caste origin perform better lies in their environmental advantages, which range from the fields of education, socialisation to economic well-being.
The same, of course, has been true for race. Only, in the US, the arguments for and against, %u2018nature%u2019 versus %u2018nurture%u2019, have been made endlessly. One of the seemingly solidly documented books arguing for the reality of racial differences, Richard Hernstein and Charles Murray%u2019s The Bell Curve, spent hundreds of pages arguing that IQ tests, in fact, reflected the existence of real intelligence %u2014 and since Blacks performed on the average significantly lower than the White average, they claimed that this reflected their actual capacities. Yet, the book let slip one important fact about IQ tests %u2014 that average scores have risen over the last few decades, by about the same amount as the %u2018difference%u2019 between average White and Black scores.
In other words, IQ tests reflect a degree of environmental advantage and socialisation, even %u2018learning%u2019 about taking IQ tests. Even at an early age, this environmental difference is there. In many European countries, the average scores had risen because the scores of the lowest deciles rose faster: in other words, the spread of mass education had made a difference.
In India, there has been no such extensive academic and general intellectual debate about test scores, heredity and environment; only a good deal of frantic and self-justifying outpourings. But the examinations here, as well as interviews, are much less objective, much more culture-bound than IQ tests. Education is much more unequally distributed. Denial of caste inequalities has been less reasonable, more ingrained, more emotional.
In comparison with race, though, it is superficially easy to avoid dealing with caste: it is not so easily visible as race is, though both are equally social and not biological factors. There is a good deal of social interaction directed at understanding the other%u2019s caste, but these are less obvious and visible. As a result, a superficial %u2018passing%u2019 is much easier, particularly for employment, if not for more personal issues such as marriage. Yet the scars of caste remain, of this there is no doubt. What is needed is more informed discussion and debate, not a closing of eyes, ears and mouths to mimic the monkey reaction to reality.
There is possibly little change since the 1931 census, which gave extensive information about caste. However, there is need for investigation: have some OBCs really become %u2018affluent%u2019? Aside from a few of their members, this is doubtful. The very fact that these are mostly rural-based groups, and the rural economy is in recognised crisis, should indicate that the average has improved. There is no point, however, in endlessly arguing. We need the data.
How does one handle a caste-based census? There has been, again, a lot of talk about the complications of the matter. The solution is simple: let everyone self-identify his or her caste. Those who want can say %u2018no caste%u2019 (in fact, this itself would be an important data from the census). Those who are out of mixed marriages or confused about their caste in anyway can also say this. A panel of experts at the State level can then make broad classifications out of the responses. There is, in other words, no great dilemma about how to do it. It only takes social will.
Gail Omvedt is a social scientist and author of Dalit Visions: The Anticaste Movement and Indian Cultural Identity and Growing Up Untouchable: A Dalit Autobiography Among Others http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print.aspx?Id=4772e271-f6d4-4acd-b498-8c4766c1eb8f
You are the last bastion for this country for it to remain a country so. You are our last bastion of hope, which we now hope shall not be breached by all these Don Quixote and Sancha Plazas. The fabric of unity of this country was sought to be breached by further dividing it in to castes and creeds as if we did not have enough of this SC/ST reservation business. Even this reservation was thought of as an experiment and the founding fathers of this noble book of constitution wanted it to be done away with after ten years. Babasaheb never sought any reservation for himself to become brilliant lawyer. By seeking such favour it becomes an ultimate stigma to a human being from which you cannot expect the human spirit to rise to higher domain of excellence. The country after independence and owing to the industrialization and rise of cities, middle classes and economic forces was itself creating an egalitarian society. Now only those who did not work hard enough were to be left behind but what we did was legitimized the CASTE. The very evil which was sought to be abolished acquired legal status. Owing to city life, it hardly mattered to whom with you dined or wined, the traditional notion of not sharing roti & beti were seen to be overcome at least in the metros and some cities, even the religious beliefs were going into the private domains, wherein the society started becoming tolerant and we have successful marriages of even star personalities to that proof. Creation of nationhood requires all this feelings of caste, creed to be seconded only than you can see the individual perform for the larger good of first the nation and then for humanity. Only an economic criterion should be the guiding factor for any positive discrimination if required by the state. Otherwise we shall a stamp of caste on every individual with a legal sanctity and the vision of realizing a caste free society will only remain a dream for eternity.
a good decision from SC on reservation quota. it shows that some part of law protectors are still alive. but the reservation minded politicians are plan to bring a new policy for renewal of constitution. thus it is a short time happiness. be aware of it. because shortmind politicians are born to divide india on the basis of 3R i.e reservation,religion,royality. bcoz failure makes success.
A decade ago, when IITians were flying away to US for higher studies,others criticized the "Brain Drain".Tax-payers money,being spent on IITians,was benefitting the Companies and Universities in US, they said..But when we look at the Dollar remittances in the last decade, it is enormous, in billions of $!!This has come about because IITians excelled in US,because they were selected in JEE by merit!If caste based-quota had been implemented, this would never have happened.Our Econimic Starwarts -Mr.Chitambaram & Dr Manmohan Singh,dont they understand this?If they do,but cant oppose, they should step down.Atleast,the Judciary does know the importance of merit in education! Meanwhile,let the celebrations begin!
