RE:To my Indian brothers..
by hi on Apr 25, 2007 03:12 AM Permalink
What are you doing here by telling the stories of corners of other people. Don't you find anything in your country to correct it? Is all mullahs were doing everything alright?
RE:To my Indian brothers..
by hi on Apr 25, 2007 03:22 AM Permalink
Once you came w/ non-senses, now acting like a pure god like almighty. Sincere in your thoughts, I appreciate you.
RE:To my Indian brothers..
by hi on Apr 25, 2007 03:30 AM Permalink
So, don't blame others who drink alcohol, their religion might not restrict drinking alcohol or eating pigs. I don't want to tell my religion to you. I have to answer lot of people like you & others.
RE:[object]
by Ganesh R on Apr 25, 2007 05:54 AM Permalink
Tell it to Americans that pork is not accepted, they live & breathe in it. If your Allah taught about love living beings, then I'm sure you should love Pig too as its also another living being. Believe me, it also has evolved from the same earth where the dinosaurs, monkeys, you & me has been originated from. There's nothing good or bad, in God's creation all living beings are equal.
RE:To my Indian brothers..
by hi on Apr 25, 2007 03:47 AM Permalink
Thanks for not calling the almighty in your statement. That is good thing you did for moderate muslims.
RE:To my Indian brothers..
by Julius Augustine on Apr 25, 2007 07:23 AM Permalink
That's the problems with this certain section of Muslims who become judgemental about other religions. Remember if you were born on this side of the border, possibly you too would have been worshipping snakes etc. All religions in their own sense is a manifestation of our acknowledgement that there is someone supreme. All religious documents be it Quran, Bible or the Bhagwad Gita were written by men. Interpretation is also by men and all of us interpret religion the way we want to suit our own needs. If the Quran says that only those who follow Islam are true followers of Allah and the rest are 'Kafir's it is entirely untrue. I am a Christian living in India and have wonderful friends among Muslims and Hindus. Never have I been discriminated on any account. Remember we also worship Allah, I call him Lord, some call him Yahweh, some all him Bhagwan. All religions say the same thing that is you will be judged by your deeds. Killing anyone is definitely not acceptable. The problem is there are lots of similarities between the Quran and Bible. BTW, in the Quran Jesus Christ is mentioned 27 times whereas Prophet Mohammed is mentioned only 4 times. If you get the opportunity please read the Bhagwad Gita not from a religious perspective, but from a practical perspective. It will open up your eyes on many things and surely you will understand that there are a lot of similarities with the Holy Quran and Holy Bible.
The problem is we cannot accept each other as we are i.e. with and without similarities. Instead of clamping yourself to your own religion, try exploring other religious text purely from an interest point of view.
I am sure you are aware that Abraham had two sons Issac from Sarah and Ishmail from his concubine. The followers of the former follow Christianity and that of the latter follow Islam, hence there is a lot of similarity between the religious text.
Stoning 'sinful' women is very much the law followed by Christians as well as written in the old testament. In the New Testament, people judge an adultress and brings her in front of Jesus and tells Him that the women should be stoned to death. Jesus simply says 'Of course, let the one without any sin throw the first stone at her'. Not a single person came forward and Christ says 'Neither do I condemn you'. Hence, this ancient heinous practice was discontinued and yet in this modern civilisation we still resort to barbaric activities which demean the value of women, the very thing which the Quran does not endorse, but the follower of Quran do!!!
RE:RE:To my Indian brothers..
by ANUJA on May 15, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
I fully agree with u Julias. Be it any religion, whether Hinduism, Christianity or for that matter Islam, all teach the same thing. But we follow it differently in our own way and boost that our religion is supreme. Actually no religion is not hollow, it's the people who actually can't follow it in aright way
RE:To my Indian brothers..
by hi on Apr 25, 2007 03:00 AM Permalink
You change your country often like changing your father? Previously you told Afgan, now telling Paki.
RE:RE:To my Indian brothers..
by Manoj Bhadani on Apr 25, 2007 12:58 PM Permalink
Dear Zakir, I appreciate the way you have reasoned out in your paragraph and would not be surprised with lot of hate messages running around. It is worth replying to your note not because I treat you as somebody working out of hate but because of the reasons you have cited in your note.
To answer to the incidents which took place in Nagpur etc? These incidents keep happening across the world. You have come to know about it because the media will make sensational news out of it. This is why it has reached you and will reach millions. This same sort of incidents keeps taking place around your house but go unreported. Why are only sensational news in Pakistan or for that matter any country like somebody stoned to death because the lady refused to marry the Father-in-law sort of incidents percolate through and get reported in media. You need to realise these are political in nature and do not reflect the true character of a country, place or religion.
The second point is who told you that we worship the creations and not the creator. You have definitely got the wrong notion on this. I would not be surprised if the same was taught in classes. I have seen anybody worshipping such things. Yes to make it clear to you, we respect each of "GODS" creation and do fold our hands and thank "GOD" for what "GOD" has given us. When we fold our hands towards the sun it is thanking "GOD" for creating the sun or for that respect air. I do not see any harm in doing so. I can always pray and thank "GOD" for things which keep me alive. There is nothing as worshipping the cow. Did you see me writing sun, air, cow in bold letters!! NO!! It is more important to understand what these creations do to our life. You cannot deny the fact that sun is the source of life and without air%u2026..darn to think of it. Why not face the truth and thank "GOD". Respecting creations and praying to "GOD" is no sin. But not doing it is definitely a sin and we term them as misguided people. Zakir it is only an understanding and how you have been taught to look at it.
I can keep going and love such discussion because first thing I use my sense and reasoning and do not get guided by incidents that carry no meaning.
One poser %u2013 Who told you who your Dad, is? How do you know who your Dad is? You were not born with this knowledge. It is your Mom who told you who your Dad is. Similarly if I have to believe I will believe in facts of a mother which is as old as mankind. Definitely not on a religion which has a recent existence. Internally everybody does a soul searching but I do not question somebody's religion and tell him what to do. He is free born as "GODS" creation. It is important to have rational societies rather than irrational and unjust bodies.
RE:To my Indian brothers..
by Ganesh R on Apr 25, 2007 05:50 AM Permalink
DO you think your country is more safer than India? Just to remind you who's safer...Bob Woolmer or Greg Chappell???
RE:[object]
by Ganesh R on Apr 25, 2007 05:52 AM Permalink
True. They come here to point how insafe our country is, while they "think" theirs is much better. Travel & Living has exhibitted one of their famous streets where ammunations are being sold like peanuts. Let's say now "Ya Allah" that's much better!!!
Hi All, Request all of you to go through this article and do your bit. It has been published in rediff with name 'Strange death of Maj Ravi Shankar'. The link is below: http://specials.rediff.com/news/2007/apr/23slide1.htm I think if everyone of us does something from his/her part it can definitely make a difference. What we can do? 1.Write a mail to president of India http://presidentofindia.nic.in/scripts/writetopresident.jsp 2. Send this to editors of various newspapers and journals. 3. Circulate it among your friends!! 4. Sign the petition online http://www.petitiononline.com/MajRS/petition-sign.html Please do your bit. Thanks
RE:Congratulation
by hi on Apr 25, 2007 01:42 AM Permalink
The Good thing modi did in Gujarat will give jobs for both Poor Muslims & Poor Hindus & other religions.
RE:Congratulation
by hi on Apr 25, 2007 02:03 AM Permalink
Oh, Almightly finally told the truth. That will be a disasterous, I cannot ask my son to master bate in future. We need some young population & female, for the future.
RE:For Zakir
by on Apr 25, 2007 01:44 AM Permalink
Hi Friends, I urge all of you that this is not the place of writing illicit things and expressing idiot and illogical thoughts.
Everybody knows what actually happens in the year of 2002 in State of Gujarat. More than 2000 members of monority community had been killed or burnt alive under supervision of Government of Gujarat and Police. Hunderds of thousands of members of majority community are still witness of that massacare.
Now whoever had did sin of killing innocent women and children are facing legislation of India.
Whoever will go out of Indian law will face punishment. This is what we say 'SATYA MEV JAYTE' REGARDS AMIT SINHA
RE:RE:For Zakir
by hi on Apr 25, 2007 01:52 AM Permalink
A person with the name of Almighty, what are you talking. What is almighty's role, is it creation or destruction?
As per Govt record provided in Parliament, some 1000 person got killed.
Out of that 300 were Hindus. 700 odd were Muslims.
Out of 1000s displaced, 35% were Hindus.
But psuedos and Islamist activists like teesta never mention that some 28 to 30% killed were Hindus (by whom) and 35% displaced were Hindus as well (by whom?)
neither Psuedos speak about plight of 400,000 Kashmri Hindus driven out, killed in 1000s.
'Namaste' Zakir Peshawari, actually we don't worship just stones, rocks, demons, snakes, cows, monkeys, fake holy men like you said, we also worship you and also every human being for that matter. So when I greet you with a namaste, in case you did't know it means, "I honor the Spirit in you which is also in me", "I salute the God within you." "The divine light in me salutes the divine light in you.", and this is the spirit of my religion.
Oh! We have a God's own beta here! Mr. Zakir.... did God consult you before creation of the planet? "Let me clear the matter for you, after all God created us all, he first created man and then created woman in the same image , and right from the times immemorable, the duty of a woman is to be obidient and behave with decency and decorum in her house with her parents/family and with her husband after marrying"
Oh! Not only did he consult you but also asked you to define a woman! Great going dude!
And Secondly: "IAM A PROUD AFGHANI PATHAN WITH A RICH HISTORY, CULTURE AND HERITAGE AND HAVING ROOTS IN ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED ANCIENT TRIBES .. "
RE:Good job, dear secular ass*holes
by CATIIMATALES on Apr 25, 2007 12:50 AM Permalink
Rightly put boss! Kudos to you! Bhikari's never give advice Mr. Zakir, they beg! Afghanistan's only tradition I see now is cutting each other's head.
