While venturing into this agreement, the discerning Indians were fully aware of the risks and pitfalls involved. The developments from US side and the worldview of many of their Senators and Congressmen and the efforts of their non-proliferaion lobbies with weak intellectual integrity and double-speak were all known. However, the opportunity cost of not making this deal for both nations is also much too high. The impasse in the deal probably makes US side realise that they grossly underestimated Indians. Any clever effort to undermine the credibility of Indian leadership by shifting blame on them is not going to succeed. The animal instincts of India acumen includes those of Rhinos as well.
It is utter rubish that India needs US help for atomic electric power generation.It is just that our PM is utterly blind history ignorant person to go in for this disastrous deal N-deal with US where US is only interested in having strangle hold on India because it wants to remain power one in the whole world by practicing unfailing divide and rule policy. For sake of our posterity this deal must be buried alive never to come up again.
Till 17th century the whole world was India-centric.How can India allow itself to be eclipsed by such killer deals.
With US we have so much in common but that does not mean that we should become slave state by abondonng our right to self defence.
RE:US says no to changing its laws for nuke deal with India
by hi on Apr 22, 2007 09:24 AM Permalink
We, India were beaten by our neighbors very sadly in the past. Forget past, recently we were proud to be one of asian gaint raise peacefully side by side, but during 2004 we were beaten in the side that is one of the very (I have words in my own language, but don't know in english). The scars won't go that much fast, it has to go slowly. Until that we don't have any choice.
RE:US says no to changing its laws for nuke deal with India
by Rajan Kumar on Apr 22, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
Are you still living in 17th century? Were you born in 17th century or were any of your parents or friends ? Why do you make such stupid statements then. In 17th century the Western countries were developing scientific innovations and moving towards industrialisation, while their armies and navies were conquering the world. India was divided, fighting among itself, the society had accepted slavery of foreign rule which had existed intermittently since 10th century, and our intellectual class was trying nothing except exploit the less priveleged in the name of caste. In short in 17th century India was DECAYING, while many other countries were developing. Today, we have around 500 million people who care nothing about all these deals etc because they are so poor that they just bother about the bare necessities of life. They are illeterate, and live in conditions not seen anywhere else in the world except Sub-Saharan Africa. If you want to have economic growth, you will need 'energy - in form of oil, coal, nuclear energy etc' many times that we have today. Where do you propose to get that? Oil is becoming costlier by the day, coal has too many problems, though we have to depend on it to a large extent. We will need atomic energy, and we need the nuclear fuel from other countries which we can not get today. This treaty will allow us to get that, provided it goes through, but like India is trying to get the best for it, US is trying to get the best for itself so these problems. Try to understand things in perspecdtive, and don't creat illusions about golden history - not after a 1000 years of dark ages.
RE:US says no to changing its laws for nuke deal with India
by Adam Marshall on Apr 22, 2007 12:56 PM Permalink
what is US trying to provide India? Do you atleast know that? You are just wooing the americans for the sake of wooing them. US will be providing its surplus nuclear fuel to India and will be reaping the products for its own use. This is only going to snub the Indian technology more by making it totally dependent on US and closing its doors for Russia and Iran. Coming to your point on US assistance, US has never been trust-worthy. Despite knowing the hub of international terror US still offers sophisticated weaponry to Pakistan. The unilateral US laws will only make India a subordinate of US and nothing else. The US's condition to snap off ties completely with Iran and Russia will only threaten the Indian autonomy. Let the US come with a fair deal, India may honour it, but not unilateral imposition of it's political greed.
RE:Nuke deal
by rajan bedi on Apr 23, 2007 03:23 AM Permalink
The deal has too many strings attached, is too limited, unfair, and does not meet Indian standards.
avrage american do not know what is INDIA but we who crazy about US. whole day just talk what us has done and what not. any way US is top at the world thats why we CRITICISE US because we all are jealous OF US
in UN raking US ON 8 POSITION AND INDIA IS ON 126 POSITION and shrilanka in on 93 and china on 83.what a shame shrlanka over take us.
indian has eatan by AMBANI'S,DIRTY POLITICAN AND CRIMINALS
we all are frustrate thats why we CRITICISE whole day EVERY GOOD THING
RE:DO YOU HAVE ANY HONEST ANSWER?
by hi on Apr 22, 2007 08:31 AM Permalink
74% indians crazy about US. That is true. Let us treated properly, we give better attitude to others also. Everybody told that America & India were one of the arch rival in the past, how that changed to a 74% favorites. So, we expect who treated us properly, who cared us properly, who raised properly, we give favorable attitude, what is the wrong in it. I like to be friendly with all like that.
RE:DO YOU HAVE ANY HONEST ANSWER?
by julie gladbach on Apr 22, 2007 09:36 AM Permalink
I am an american, but I won't say that I'm average. To me India is this exotic place on the other side of the world where my best friend lives.Someday I hope to move to India.
Don't worry about UN ranking. Yes the U.S.'s rank is high but I think it has alot to do with money. Wanna know something? The national debt of the U.S. is so high because of the Iraq war.
RE:DO YOU HAVE ANY HONEST ANSWER?
by Stephen on Apr 22, 2007 11:33 AM Permalink
Nice to hear that julie. I feel we all have to rise above racism by skin colour, language religon etc. I know a lot of indians n americans will not see the logic in it but thats the only solution to the misery the human race is in these days. You cannot like everybody equally for the simple reason that each of us likes somethings and dislike somethings But what we can do, is not let those dislikings manifest themselves in the decisions we make. Gujju, mallu, madrasie, bong, southie, northie, desi, firang we gotta rise above all these , see the good in everybody.our strength should be in our political system, administration and governance not in trying to find diff ways to hate another community. Love and peace to all
RE:DO YOU HAVE ANY HONEST ANSWER?
by hi on Apr 22, 2007 08:26 AM Permalink
Because, Americans raised us. Neighbors given troubled us. That doesn't mean Russia didn't help India, but here, my answer is about American only. Think from 1990 & Now.
avrage american do not know what is INDIA but we who crazy about US. whole day just talk what us has done and what not. any way US is top at the world thats why we CRITICISE US because we all are jealous OF US
in UN raking US ON 8 POSITION AND INDIA IS ON 126 POSITION and shrilanka in on 93 and china on 83.what a shame shrlanka over take us.
indian has eatan by AMBANI'S,DIRTY POLITICAN AND CRIMINALS
we all are frustrate thats why we CRITICISE whole day EVERY GOOD THING
RE:DO YOU HAVE ANY HONEST ANSWER?
by proudind on Apr 22, 2007 08:24 AM Permalink
Because, Americans raised us. Neighbors given troubled us. That doesn't mean Russia didn't help India, but here, my answer is about American only.
hey guys..i dont know anything about the indo-us nuke deal..can someone explain me what this deal is all about??from the start to till date what r the proceedings..how will india benifit?etc..
RE:can someone explain
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 22, 2007 07:19 AM Permalink
In 1974 after Pokharan-1, US and its allies sponsered NSG, a quasi-legal agency of nations, to deny all advance technologies to India and other nations daring to follow the footsteps of India. Earlier China and USSR were not part of this grouping. Later, to escape denial regime, they also joined as N-have nations. India seeks entry into this club to modernise its N-plants, invite private sector participation, get reliable access to n-fuels. USA is acting as a gate keeper cum facilitator. Initial agreement between US Prez and Indian PM, now appears to be more and more like classic American 'bait and switch' strategy to constraint India to same terms as applicable to a non-nuclear NPT signatory.
It is for India to decide whether we would like to continue our military atomic programme & suffer severe shortage of power for India which is becoming more acute over the days which is affecting all our economic activities including agriculture, industries, domestic etc. We seem to forget that our Prime Minister was able to get USA to sign Nuclear Agreement with USA inspite of the fact we refused to sign Nuclear Prolifiration Treaty & USA made an exception in our case. Our Atomic Scientists may find they are unable to fire missiles as there is no power to switch on!!
RE:Nuclear Agreement
by Truth BeTold on Apr 22, 2007 07:48 AM Permalink
Bhaskar idiot, you are harping so much on India being the world's 3rd largest economy, look around and you will see that it hasnt changed much for the people. Whats the use of such economy you moron?
RE:Nuclear Agreement
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 22, 2007 06:40 AM Permalink
The agreement our PM signed is ok and India abides by it. The trouble is US has undermined the spirit of the agreement with a unilateral legislation which violates the agreement by putting conditionalities which the original agreement had specifically side stepped. The reported delay in US Prez arrival to New Delhi then, and the last minute hammering out of agreement has probably been deliberately reversed. Acceptance of such a stance from US is a self-defeating exercise with severe long term consequences for India, if it now agrees to those terms, beyond which were re-stated by our PM in the Parliament.
RE:Nuclear Agreement
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 22, 2007 06:52 AM Permalink
The diversity quotient of India is far higher than that of US and law is the prominent binding force in the democratic polity. US can afford to side-step law when they are not in consonace with their national interest as politicals equations like 'all white club' or 'Christian fraternity' can carry they day for them. Both these undercurrents probably work against this deal!
