All the tell tale signs are there: 1. Simultaneous Exercise or drills( there were bomb threats on the campus 3 days before, lots of policemen on campus) 2. Perpetrator on Prozac( he was on anti depressants ) 3. Perpetrator comes in contact with Psychiatrist ( he was sent to mandatory Psych Assessment in 2005 dec) 4. media packet delivered in a convenient manner( like 9/11 passports out of the plane into the streets then someone hands it into the hand of FBI agent) 5. media packet has lots of visual media: The agenda is to terrorize the American populance to agree to more regulation ( Gun control , universal monitoring etc.) 6. He had a 60% fatality rate with handguns - that's unheard of given 9 millimeters don't kill people instantly. 7. he was allowed to perpetrate even though there was presence of police on campus till he terminated himself. 8. Parents and Family member work for the US military( Sister worked for a state dept contractor, worked as an intern for US embassey) 9. Vtech has been pulling out links to CIA and NASA funding and related research.
Vtech/Blacksburg was a hotbed for CIA activity
High School cho went to shares a compound with Northrupp Grumann's special research wing.
CIA has had documented evidence of carrying out Mind Control Experiiments: Projects: MKULTRA, bluebird They have done this before!
If you cant understand this post just ignore it dont report abuse it others have a right to see it.
The only motive of this attack is to ready the ppl for more gun control and terrorize US population.
You need not think too much about the Indians who comment in a base fashion. Its just some hot air blowing. I agree absolutely, that a criminal is always an individual and has nothing to do with race, religion etc. The guys who equate the action of one man with a country, race, religion are just plain immature and haven't learnt to control their feelings or their tongue
Before I can go ahead, I am expressing my deep and sincerest condolences to all victims' family.
Please read view of Dipak Bose.
This incident can not be linked up with American-Iraq relationship. I am an Indian, but wanna let you understand ground problems in universities of US as pointed by Dipak.
Also, if possible read the statements uttered by "Cho". He had no where mentioned IRAQ problem. His context was different. I read that some readers also had raised up their hands in context of terrorism. Before writing any view please understand context of incident done.
I have read "Cho" statements, if it is right, he is not psycho as MEDIA is expressing. Also, try to understand words expressed by him. He was a normal human being before commiting this incident. I recommend strict punishment for him as per US law.
RE:Dont mix it with American-IRAQ relationship
by Manish Mishra on Apr 19, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
"I recommend strict punishment for him as per US law." I am sorry above statement. He (Cho) is no longer alive.
Author was using big words like "humanity" and "value of human life". That could have been the reason why some users might have brought topic to compare the value of human life.
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by Manish Mishra on Apr 19, 2007 05:34 PM Permalink
-> Rajneesh Read this line of author " I, myself, don't support America's foreign policy; "
I do understand what you wanna express. Imagine, if same article would have been written by non-american, you may have end up appriciating him.
US is self-centered and self conscious country, so "humanity" and "value of human life" is non-sense for them.
I have stayed two years in one well known US university for post-doctoral research. I have seen girls are talking to each other like these: "I have Mike yesterday, today I will try John." " I have tried John two days ago, he is no good- does not last long. You better try Nick; I would join in later."
Everyday girls are changing their partners everyday in US universities. In Britain they change after one month or so. By the time they would graduate each girl would have enjoyed at least 50-60 men in bed, not at one time, but one after another. If you live in a house (which in most cases in USA are made of wood) you have another problem. The whole house would be shaking wildly at night because of so much sex in every room.
Asians are not included in this game, so Indians normally find our other entertainment like cooking curries. This Korean was sexually frustrated in this wild atmosphere, could not get any girl, so he went mad. Without knowing the atmosphere in US-UK universities one should not write anything about this matter as most writers are doing in various newspapers in India.
In India girl's hostels are seperated from those of the boy's. It is very difficult for any boy to get inside the girl's hostel at night. Thus, the atmosphere is not so provocative.
RE:Author has no knowledge of US Universities
by akshay kumar on Apr 19, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
Well Said...I completele agree with you..And why this happens that when a whitemen kills xyzs...than it is the Gun that kills and not the gunman, but when a brown or blackman kills xyzs than it is the gunman who kills and not the gun?
RE:Author has no knowledge of US Universities
by Naveen C on Apr 22, 2007 10:58 AM Permalink
Deepak. This is ridiculous. If you think Indian society is so conservative and not that provocative towards sexual behavior against women, then could you please explain why India has more rape cases registered compared to US? There are more number of unregistered rape cases than registered. Potentially a mentally dearranged person can do any sort of heinous act and its not fair enough to say that it this massacre wouldn't have happened if the American girls our Indian culture? You seem to sound link Sheik Al Hilaly, the Australian mufti who responded to famous rape incidents in 2000 by saying that as white women are like uncovered meat!!!
RE:Author has no knowledge of US Universities
by ASHOK on Apr 20, 2007 01:01 AM Permalink
Deepak I agree Sexual Frustration is big issue for those from Oriental culture. Especially those who reach US after graduation. Koreans are no exception. But this Korean was in US from the age of 8. It looks to be a case of complex personality,affected by a lot of factors.
The "problem with humanity" dear Mathew, is that certain sections of humanity have (over the last few hundred years) arrogated themselves to the role of God by a systematic and cold-blooded process of which the steps are -
1. Study the culture, traditions and religions of, and current socio-economic status of various groups within, "other" societies. ("Other" in this case means those who have not yet become a part of their "coalition of the willing".)
2. Identify faultlines, weaknesses, idiosyncracies, apparent or real contradictions
3. Unleash a shrill media campaign to highlight only the above while steadfastly ensuring that the good and healthy aspects are relegated to small footnotes if their mention can't be avoided
4. Having thus built-up a justification, attack them militarily or by foisting one's chosen cronies and unleashing on them unworkable concepts like "free economy" (God and the west knows what the heck that means).
In the initial years, this worked because "other" societies were continuing to follow their systems while appreciatively incorporating some aspects of modernity. Dear Mathew, not only the human world but the natural world seems to be reaching its limit of tolerance (notice global warming). (Ah yes, the new gods have already woken up and started working in right earnest forming a plethora of NGOs, passing resolutions at WTO on bio-diversity and so on).
The solution, lies, in my humble opinion in a thorough and unsparing review of concepts (or shall I say fads) called democracy, various freedoms and so on. At least we need to review as to who is doing what in the name of these exalted concepts which have lately come to enjoy the status of unassailability.
RE:Problem with humanity
by Vikas Khandekar on Apr 19, 2007 01:49 PM Permalink
Although, what Mathew has written, that "it is an individual's problem", I also agree with Arvind, that the problem must also be looked from the perspective of redefining some of the popular notions about "democracy", "free-economy", "modernity" etc. These issues do not remain open for interpretation at an individual's level, but are prevaded and popularized through the all-powerful media. All in a way, that literally renders individual thinking abilities subservient to a greater force of mass communication. Just an example: the BPO revolution has brought in jobs for the young 20-something youth of India. But has anyone thought about the adverse effects on their life-pattern? Retail industry it seems is growing by leaps and bounds. But has anyone spared a thought about the survival of the myriads of shop-keepers, who have been traditionally been small-shop owners for generations? It is this big massive force of "free economy" which seems to be working just in the opposite direction than that advocated of the proponent of "Small is beautiful" - Schumacher. What happens to an individual when he loses his individual identity (remember 'Animal Farm'?)? He either rebels against the society at large, or meekly submits itself. Unfortunately for the victims of this tragedy, the chap decided to do the former. There is no condonation for the act. But I feel that to look at it as merely an individual's problem, would be a littel short-sighted.
At age of 23 Matthew has some great understanding about the value of human life.
For some reason some human lives worth more, actually lot more than other lives.
US soldiers directly and indirectly murdered half a million people in Iraq. (Half of them being children and women) It is like shooting in a video game for these soldiers I guess.
33 persons equals to 1 in 10 million of US population.
33 American lives evoke so much press and sympathy than countless murders happened because of Iraq invasion.
No one is justifying one killing with another.
Question is why does the press magnify one killings while completely ignore the other.
RE:humanity and value of human life ..
by saviomac mascarenhas on Apr 19, 2007 08:18 AM Permalink
People in Iraq were already being slaughtered by the millions by the past regime. What did you Mr. Rajneesh, do about it?? Were you even aware about the atrocities?? Atleast the Americans are doing something about it. The press does magnify all and any such heinous crimes. There are news everyday about how many people are being killed by terrorist acts in Iraq, including American soldiers. And in Virginia, Americans were not the only ones killed, there were people from other countries too, including two indians. Mathew has written a great article. Period.
RE:humanity and value of human life ..
by Senthil Kumar on Apr 19, 2007 08:32 AM Permalink
Iraq people are stupid. They can't defend themselves. People who can't defend themselves should slaughtered the way Chicken and Pigs are slaughtered in butcher's shop.
Iraq people don't own much press like the way Americans do. When you don't own much press why should you get press coverage??
Weak die. Strong survive. Iraq is weak .. It is their time to die.
RE:humanity and value of human life ..
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Apr 19, 2007 02:21 PM Permalink
The americans were only responsible for deaths during the actual invasion. Most of the deaths happening today (or the last year) have been due to insurgents - millitias targetting people of another denomination - like shias bombing sunnis, and vice versa. Saddam had ensured that the minority sunnis ruled over the shia for decades. Now, the shia are trying to have their say. It's like afghanistan after the soviets withdrew right now. The americans are unable to do anything to stop it, so to that extent they are responsible, but it isnt like they are going on killing sprees as you seem to suggest. That is just being blind to the facts.
RE:humanity and value of human life ..
by Chinmoy Nandi on Apr 19, 2007 01:05 PM Permalink
u r bogus man u have no feelings for any. U would read Vivekananda. any type of killers are a Culpit. They donot good for socil. ur mantality is that kind off
Hi, Hats off to Matthew Schneeberger for his no nonsense analysis of VT killings. "The crux of my interpretation, then, stands bare; the memories of the victims should not be desecrated by petty international squabbling and chest-thumping. This horrific incident was perpetrated by a deranged individual; innocent individuals lost their lives because of his wretched actions" There could never be a second opinion. SOUNDARARAJAN
Strongly agree with your views. Whats unfortunate is that people , irrespective of nationality do not look at the core issue. Instead, some blame US for its policies and many ignorant Americans don't check facts and just think immigration is causing all this trouble. The shooter indeed was a US Citizen and was here since 1992 so his immigration makes no sense, he lived here in US only.
Being a student I can understand how it must be at VTech to cope up with this loss. I hope such incidents do not happen every again, be it India, US, China or any other country.
Matthew, You penned down my thoughts. I was really feeling down after reading the general public comments. It was like humanity had been erased from the minds of people (except for a few). Hope this message of yours is preserved and highlighted. I believe more and more people like you should write articles like this. I feel you have responded humanely and in a matured manner to such a sensitive situation. Thanks again
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