yogesh,whatever is being done is mandated by the constitution.so,the remedy is to go by the constitution.members of parliament should be apprised of the matter by the affected people.the matter should be brought to their attention and facts presented.the mp will speak about it in parliament.once one mp speaks,the issue will gain momentum.every mp is not a narakasura.u just have to lead a delegation and present ur case. what is the case? reservation is removing the number of seats that are in open competition.either the number of seats have to be increased or some other economic criteria can be added.for urban candidates,how can the economic criteria be developed.a person whose father has a salary less than 1 lakh per year can be considered.if he is working in a private company,he can produce a salary certificate.what if he is running a shop or a business,who will verify that his statement is correct.if he is in the unorganized sector,say,working in some small unit,he can identify his place of work that he is barely making ends meet.in the villages,people with bpl cards can be adjusted. all the upper caste people who prove that they cearn less than 1lakh per year can be entered into bc category. doesnt that look like allowing ample space for fraudulent documents. the method adopted was caste,the occupations and concentrations in terms of geography is identifiable.a field study will be able to collect the required facts.that is the broad scheme.it cant be as perfect as to ensure that not a single caste which is affluent is not added in the list. the other way according to u is to remove reservation or equal reservation to every community.if your method is considered,wont it probably give reason to every caste to increase its numbers so that it can get a bigger representation. a one time study(like the mandal commisssion) can be done and according to it reservations can be implemented.but the problem is the constitution does not mandate reservations for socially forward communities. that brings us to the point.when a caste is able to convince the ncbc that it is socially backward,it can apply for inclusion in the list. now,reservation was mandated in the constitution for 10 years.it was also mandated that the reservations for other backward communities should be done.that report was prepared in 1979.it was implemented in 1990 and was given full implementation in 1993.and only in 2007 is it being brought to cei s.now that it has started,it will have to end sometime as mandated by the constitution.if the situation becomes unbearable for the uppercastes,they will automatically start lobbying.even otherwise,the views will syart propagating that the position of the backwarsd classes has improved. but the starting point is itself being blurred by all these protests,so much so,that things are getting polarised and reservation will continue for longer than it would have normally because of the protests.
RE:we are again back to the constitution
by r patil on Apr 29, 2007 07:30 PM Permalink
Dinesh why are you pretending to not understand. SC ST have being getting reservation for fast 60 yrs atleast 3 to 4 generation have pased why are they still not being excluded from getting reservation and somebody from their own community whoes parents have never being to college be given chance.Are they not more SC,St you have never enjoyed reservation then you have enjoyed reservation ? Who is going to fight for their rights politicians ?
RE:we are again back to the constitution
by rumba cardi on Sep 23, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
got an accident a year before & got foot enjuiry & was operated by upper class doctor 7 still not able to walk as a negligence on a doctors part as he does not perform his operation well , & bill was in thousands ,so what is bad if resevation is being nade compulsory as upper caste doctorrs is also doing negligence on his part,now i believe that reservation is not a bad idea
i am sorry for the victims of khairlanji, i dint know the details. it is still worse that it happened in front of the villagers. i dont watch much tv, and sometimes when busy, i have to skip news papers also. so i missed the details of khairlanji.
no one can deny attrocities and crimes are not taking place in this large country. terrorism is a bigger problem today. it is very difficult to stop such incidents totally in our large country. but shouldnt the government rather focus on removing such problems than creating a further rift in the castes by reservations. govt should follow ways so that the different castes live with love with other castes.
ok ndtv came up with it late, other media would have brought it out and what is important is that such incidents should not go unreported and the perpetrators of such henoius crime should be severly punished. in north india also we hear such news somnetimes, when some boy of some community runns away with the girl of other communities. there are not castes in pakistan, but such stories are common there also, when one boy runs away with girl of other community / tribe etc.. basically the culture and people of india and pakistan is almost the same only borders have been drawn a few years back.
i think to some extent it answers the querries of zaheen usmani also. ofcourse, thwey can bew elaborated in the related forum.
RE:khairlanji
by dinesh kumar on Apr 29, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
now u r telling about the culture of the people,that is what is getting changed because we are a democracy now,if we were not a democracy,do u think there is any chance that the old order would have selfcorrected. it is that culture that is getting changed. khairlanji was perpetrated by the obc s.they seem to be dominant in maharashtra.the family was subjected to that because they had become educated and were asserting their rights.such is treaction everyone when the underclass starts asserting its rights.one generation of reservations is enough for uprooting this culture that has accumulated over 1000 years. in north india,it is the upper castes who are dominant,they have the most to lose if the underclass is empowered,so they resist.
RE:khairlanji
by bharat on Apr 29, 2007 06:31 PM Permalink
our society has been changing from the begining. nothing is permanent. we have reached this stage now. it is not only democracy that changes take place. not that we are not perfect, but we are rather degrading in some aspects, rather many. if it were not democracyed, we could have a very good ruler who may have abolished caste system, or there could have been a bad ruler who would have perpetuated it. but i think democracy has helped in perpetuating it. if something has helped in limiting the caste system it is the technology, development, media.
another thing, i have never known brahmins causing attocities. it is otehr castes. as someone said, brahmin is always refered as the poor brahmin.
RE:khairlanji
by rumba cardi on Sep 23, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
got an accident a year before & got foot enjuiry & was operated by upper class doctor 7 still not able to walk as a negligence on a doctors part as he does not perform his operation well , & bill was in thousands ,so what is bad if resevation is being nade compulsory as upper caste doctorrs is also doing negligence on his part,now i believe that reservation is not a bad idea
Hi Dinesh I never have said that no one of the category students has merit equal to open category. Why are you making confusion?
But by your sentence "the only way that the upper castes can clain discrimination is because they are not able to compete with the reserved category in the open competition." do you want to claim that no one in the open category can compete with reserved category? This is your extreme and unwanted statement.
The problem is not of that kind of competetion. Open accept that reserve students do have the ability and I previously also praised my friends from category doing good in the eduation. Did you forget that? Though we have to accept that we can not generalise the statement i.e. not everyone in the open neither everyone in the category is very scholar and superior than others. Afterall all are human beings and so talent varies. Problem arises when open can not take admission from category that is we have reserved some seats for some specific students but still category students can claim seats in open. That will obviously create fear in open students. And that is very natural. Even you would accept it had you been from open category. Thats why I proposed the reservation of 50% for each cast.
Your yesterday's blog shows people from reserve category protesting caste based reservation. Have a look at it.
Also you are asking me various questions but not answering any of me. What will be the future of reservation in Tamilnadu? Should we remove it then? Also do you know that many of Doctors of open category are coming to Maharashtra for higher education? They dont have hope of getting seat due to very high reservation %.
Bye the way what is exact meaning of "cut off marks"?
ie reservation pushing us back by 100 years?so says bharat. is the south today better than the north? from the 1920s ,reservation has been implemented in the south. whereas in the north,it was not? now,does the different levels of development tell u anything? think. why are there 250 engg colleges in tamilnadu,200 each in karnataka and ap? can it have something to do with the majority of the people feeling that education is important? how did that feeling develop in the south? because the rulers here have realised the needs of the people. up and bihar are only now getting rulers who are aware of the peoples needs. the only way that the upper castes can clain discrimination is because they are not able to compete with the reserved category in the open competition. if they score more than the other categories in open competition,they will have enough seats proportional to their population. now,why are they lacking? are they first generation students? are they having low self esteem? are they struggling to make both ends meet? if that is the case,they can visit this webpage and claim representation in reservation. surely ,the concerned communities can take concerted action .we are not having evil rulers who want to stop the growth of the upper castes at any cost.when there is a justifiable problem,how can a democracy not act upon it? as the information about upper castes being slowly pushed out of the general category gains ground,steps will be taken to correct the condition.upper caste students near the bc quota cutoff mark will gain.
RE:tamilnadu
by rumba cardi on Sep 23, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
got an accident a year before & got foot enjuiry & was operated by upper class doctor 7 still not able to walk as a negligence on a doctors part as he does not perform his operation well , & bill was in thousands ,so what is bad if resevation is being nade compulsory as upper caste doctorrs is also doing negligence on his part,now i believe that reservation is not a bad idea
RE:tamilnadu
by ASHOK on Apr 29, 2007 04:56 PM Permalink
Dear Dinesh You seems to be knowing a lot about Tamilnadu. Can you tell me how many SC/ST/OBC are going to NUS ( National university of Singapore) on NUS scholarship. This scholarship is well advertised every year. My own son who got 93.4% in CBSE PCM, could not make it, it seems a lot of young and budding students from one school in Tamilnadu make it to NUS year after year. From your writings I understand Tamilnadu has really uplifted backwards without scarificing Merit. Please note NUS has a great faculty which IIT / IIM or AIIMS is yet to match. You can visit NUS WEB site and compare it with best of India.
None of the political parties can/will support you. Judiciary cannot support you (because Parliament decides "salaries" of Judges and not vice versa). 85% of Indians do not support you. Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Backward_Classes
RE:The Bitter Truth
by rumba cardi on Sep 23, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
got an accident a year before & got foot enjuiry & was operated by upper class doctor 7 still not able to walk as a negligence on a doctors part as he does not perform his operation well , & bill was in thousands ,so what is bad if resevation is being nade compulsory as upper caste doctorrs is also doing negligence on his part,now i believe that reservation is not a bad idea
(A) A Report by Academics On hearing the reports of lynching of five dalits by a frenzied mob at police chowkie of Duleena near Jhajjar on Dussehra day, a group of University teachers, writers from Janvadi Lekhak Sangh and social activist visited Badshahpur on 20th November to meet the members of the bereaved families to share their grief. On hearing the details which emerged after talking to the members of the bereaved families and others present there, the group decided to visit the spot of the shocking incident to meet persons who could provide information on the ghastly event. The group visited the Duleena police chowkie, talked to the police officials, residents of some farm houses around, some press reporters, and other citizens present on the spot.
The group's assessment of the situation is as follows:
Flaws and weaknesses in the police version The police version that these five dalits were killed by an uncontrollable mob of several thousand people from adjoining villages and the city on the suspicion of a cow having been slaughtered by them contains several flaws listed below:
The police chowkie is situated in a deserted place at a distance of about 7 Kms. from Jhajjar and the possibility of a large crowd assembling spontaneously there is very low.
The dalits were carrying animal hides in a tempo and it is unthinkable that they would skin a dead cow near the police chowkie at the time of sun set when they had to go a long distance to reach Karnal. It is unthinkable that they would stop for adding one raw skin to the tempo full of hides worth rupees 40000/- to be sold at Karnal. Treating and drying animal skin takes far more time than they had at their disposal.
The police version that a dead cow was purchased at Farukh Nagar, which was skinned near the police chowkie is incredible as a dead cow could not be carried in a tempo already loaded with hides to its capacity.
There was no mention in the police version of having recovered the instruments required for skinning from the dalits concerned.
The police version of a crowd of several thousand persons was contradicted by some persons who were present on the spot. Their estimate of gathering varies from 50 at initial stage to a maximum of about 400 at the later stage around 10 P.M. when lynching took place.
The group did not find any evidence of a large rampaging and uncontrollable mob having left any serious damage caused to the chowkie. So much so that a few flowerbeds in front of the small chowkie were intact and not a single flower plant was damaged. No door was broken, nor did walls carry any sign of damage caused by the mob. Only the iron grills of the windows of the room where dalits were detained were twisted a little which the group feels could have been done latter as the members of the families of the victim did not see any such thing when they had come to claim the dead bodies the very next day.
As per the version given by the members of the aggrieved families and several other persons, it is common practice of the police at Duleena chowkie to extort money from the licensed skin traders carrying hides passing by that road and they feel that police tortured them on not getting the amount of money demanded by them and as a consequence one of them was hit on a vital part and died. They suspect the police hand in spreading the rumour of a cow slaughter as a cover up. The poor dalits were quietly handed over to the infuriated crowd armed with irons bars, etc., which had gathered at the chowkie on hearing the rumour. This version cannot be dismissed off hand without a probe.
Even if the police version is correct, the conduct of the police is shocking beyond belief. They took no steps like lathi charge, using tear gas, or firing in the air to protect the dalits in their custody. The lynching took place when there were more than 100 police persons drawn from Jhajjar police lines and adjoining police stations alongwith DSP, SHO Sadar, Jhajjar and three executive magistrates - the City Magistrate, the BDO, and Naib Tehsildar. It is not an ordinary case of dereliction of duty but a total abdication of it, treating the life of detained dalits as dirt cheap. The police force and other officers present on the spot deserve stringent punishment.
A very disturbing aspect is the involvement of communal forces like the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, Bajrang Dal, etc., who have been continuously active in spreading the virus of communal hatred in the area. They often spread the false rumour of cow slaughter in order to inflame the sentiments of the people against Muslims of the adjoining area of Mewat. Even in this incident a rumour of cow slaughter was used to inflame the crowd. The crime was perpetrated by the frenzied mob armed with irons, rods, spears etc led by these communal forces who controlled the mob and directed their ire against the dalits. The intensity of the communal frenzy can be gauged by an attempt to erase the name of the SSP Jhajjar from the board at chowkie because the concerned officer happens to be a Muslim.
These communal forces had the audacity to take out a procession the next day in Jhajjar demanding that none should be arrested in the case. This incident should be seen as a part of the larger design of the communal forces to inject hatred and irrationality in the minds of the common people against dalits, minorities, and other weaker sections in order to weaken the base of the democratic and secular values.
The group demands a high level CBI probe into the ghastly incident so that stringent punishment could be given to all the perpetrators of the crime. The group appeals to the public at large to realize the sinister implications of such incidents and come forward in active defence of dalits, minorities and women who are currently under attack from communal forces.
-- Prof. D. R. Chaudhry, Ex. Chairman, Haryana Public Service Commission; Prof. O.P. Grewal, Professor (Retd.) Deptt. of English, Kurukshetra University, Kurukshetra and Vice President, Janvadi Lekhak Sangh; Prof. Suraj Bhan, Professor (Retd.) Deptt of Ancient History, Culture, and Archaeology, Kurukshetra University, Kurukshetra
(B) Report by CPI (M), CPI, & AIDWA (Village Duleena in Jhajjar, Haryana was the scene of a brutal killing of five Dalits between 9-10 in the evening who had taken shelter inside the police chowkie. A joint team of CPI (M), CPI, and AIDWA visited the area to find out the facts of the killing of Dayachand, Virender, Dataram, Raju, and Kailash. We given below excerpts from the report issued by the Committee - Chief Editor). The investigating them consisted of Indrajit Singh (CPI(M) State Secretary), Raghbir Singh Chowdhary (CPI State Secretary), Vrindra Karat (CPI(M) Central Committee member and All India US of AIDWA), Dr. Harnam Singh (Ex. MLA CPI) Gagmati Sangwan (President Haryana DWA), and Balbir Dahia and Ram Chandra of CPI (M).
The facts of the case are that on October 15 one Kailash who deals in animal hides reached village Badshahpur of Gurgaon. He had come to pick up the hides of cows and buffalos from the license holder Devender. Some money for this consignment, as is the regular practice, had been paid in advance; the balance was to pay after the delivery of the consignment. Virender, brother of Devender, and his cousin Dayachand, who were professional skinners, hired a vehicle to transport the hides to Karnal. They loaded the hides and, along with the trader, set of for Karnal to deliver the consignment and to receive the balance. The driver of the vehicle was Tota Ram and Raju was the cleaner. They started at about 11 from the village. The vehicle stopped at Farukh Nagar. Here, another consignment was loaded in the vehicle. Duleena police chowkie was on the way.
The police says that the trader had purchased a dead cow at Farukh Nagar. After this they stopped, by chance, near the police chowkie and they skinned the cow on the main road. When some people of the nearby village saw this they got off from their vehicles and started beating these dalits saying that they had killed the cow. The crowd brought these injured people into the police Chowkie. By now it was about 5 or 5:30 in the evening. There were 5 or 6 police persons in the chowkie. In the meanwhile a rumour spread that a cow was killed. Now the crowd of people returning after witnessing Dussehra, some amongst whom were drunk, surrounded the police chowkie. They blocked the roads so that the police may not take the Dalits away from the police station. After this the people killed them by beating.
The police says that the crowd must have been 4-5 thousand strong. The sub-divisional Magistrate, Dy. SP, and about 60-70 police persons, who were rushed there after urgent wireless messages from the police chowkie were present on the spot. An investigation committee was formed after the murders consisting of police officers, including the officers who were present on the spot at the time of the murders.
The CPI (M) committee met a large number of people who had gathered at the residence of the victims. People belonging to all castes expressed their anger on the incidents and spoke about the victims appreciatively.
The contract for this work is given through a tender. Virender's brother Devender was awarded contract for one year for Rs. 35000/- for skinning the dead animals in 40 villages. The family members were very particular to show all the legal papers in this connection. They insisted that in view of such a contract there was no question for the victim to skin an animal outside the contract area. Duleena police chowkie is only one hour away from the area. The question of sitting down to skin the animal on the roadside does not arise.
Devender had the license of skinning the dead animals of the Gaushaalaa also. They had taken this contract on a very low rate because they felt that the money that Gaushaalaa saved will be a sort of their donation to it. Their workers collect the dead animals. The bodies are placed on a piece of land allotted to them by the panchayat. After skinning the remains are buried on the land. The hides are cleaned with salts and are sold to the traders.
Budhram told the team that on the 16th early in the morning at 3:30 some police persons came and told them that Dayachand had had an accident. Similarly the family of Devender was also told that he had been admitted of the Civil hospital in Jhajjar. The families of the victims were provided no facility to reach the hospital. When they reached there somehow they had to take rounds of police chowkie, Thaanaa, and the hospital. Ultimately they were sent to the mortuary. Here also they were not provided with any facility to carry the brutally cut bodies. Jogender told the team that they were treated as the accused not as the families of the victims. They were handed over the naked bodies. "We are poor Dalits, therefore it was not considered necessary to cover the body of my brother with some old sheet."
There was widespread resentment that these "Dalits" were "used" for doing the "dirty work". One angry young man said, "if their animals are so dear to them, they should pick their bodies themselves and perform their last rights." Another person said, "we know this is the handiwork of VHP of Bajrangdal. Why doesn't the police arrest the people who had taken out a procession".
The team met the Superintendent of Police Jhajjar, Md. Aqeel. Because of the obstructions placed on the roads, he had not been able to reach the police chowkie at the time of the incident. His conjecture was that the Dalits "had been mistaken as Muslims" and that is the reason they were attacked. Actually, most of the police persons with whom the team talked were of this view. Anyhow, they conceded that there had been no enquiry about the current information that a dead cow was purchased at Farukh Nagar.
The police had remained busy in finding out the facts from the Dalits and in convincing the people rounded up and brought to the police station, about the truthfulness of the version of Dalits. He also said that there was no prejudice against the Dalits at the Police Chowkie so much so that ASI Dharmendra was the first person to say that the Dalits had not committed any crime as they were only skinning a dead cow. But he had no answer to the question as to after being brought to the chowkie why the injured Dalits were not taken to the hospital.
He also said that the Dalits were beaten up by the villagers and it were the villagers who had brought them afterwards to the police chowkie. He said that he had received the information at about 7 in the evening when he was at the residence of Mahendra Singh, DC.
Ever since both of them were keeping an eye on the developments and it was he who had asked the SDM and other police officers to reach Duleena police chowkie.
Md. Aqeel said that sometimes after this he had received a phone from a leader of the VHP saying that "some cow killers" were caught and the police should not let them go.
The SP did not think that it was some sort of threat. Some "Shankaracharya" from Delhi had also sent a message but because of being occupied occupation with the deteriorating conditions he could not respond to that. When asked as to why fire arms were not used on the crowd in order to save the dalits he said that the crowd out numbered the police persons and firing could have worsened the situation.
He showed his concern on the demonstration held the next day in support of this dire event. When asked what were the instructions to them from the government, his answerer was "to maintain peace"; when asked what it meant, he said it meant not to make any arrests; he indicated that for the present his priority was to bring down the tension. Arrests will be made after proper investigations.
The team visited the Duleena police chowkie also. The chowkie consists of two brick rooms in an open area. There were two large bloodstains on the road running by the side of the building. This was the blood of the victims killed brutally at this spot. SHO Rajindra Singh, some constables and the proprietor of the petrol pump in the area, president of the Bar Association, and Naseeb Singh were also present at the Chowkie when the team went there. In the meanwhile Dy. SP Narendra Singh also reached the chowkie. All of them repeated the story that the SP had related. They also told the team that they had told the increasing crowd again and again, "these people (who were being attacked) were not Muslims but were Hindus".
This was emphasized many a time. The team was compelled to ask if it meant that "if Muslims were involved, the aggressive attitude of the crowd would have been justified?" There was no answer to this question. Asked if any of the person responsible for the crime were identified, the SHO replied "it was very dark". When asked that at least the police could have identified the people who had earlier beaten up the dalits and whether they had filed any FIR against them. The reply was in the negative. Asked that it was not a case of kill and run and that the crowd had stayed put for hours, how was it possible that no one was identified? There was no reply. Naseeb Singh interjected, "I was also here. I tell you that it was very difficult to control the crowd. The police was also attacked." It appeared that police had witnesses to support its version but there was no one to speak on behalf of the victims.
It is interesting to note that the SHO and the other people present there made caustic remarks about the Gau Rakshaa manch. They said that there are at least 2000 cows in this area. Who have been left uncared for. They roam about like vagabonds "munching polythene bags... Why don't the people shouting about Gau Rakshaa come forward to look after them?"
The team also saw the marks on the walls made by the stones thrown by the crowd. Iron grills on the windows were also damaged. All told, the team felt that if the crowd has been as large as it was been described and had it been aggressive, the police chowkie would have been damaged much more. The Dy. SP who has been decorated recently gave exaggerated descriptions of the crowd. He said that if the police had fired all the people would have been killed by the retaliation of the crowd. They also showed injuries to 8 police persons. But the team could not see an injury marks on their bodies.
Tentative Conclusions
1. The role of the police and its version is doubtful cases of demands of bribes by the police peoples from those engaged in skinning the animals had come to light before also. Such extortions were done in the garb of the laws against cow slaughter in the state. Actually the family members of the victims made this charge on the basis of their experience and they said that the victims were mercilessly beaten by the police persons in the chowkie because they had not agreed to pay the desired bribe.
2. There are many questions relating to the alleged incident of skinning the cow which ignited violence to which no one has any answers. The police version is that the hides trader Kailash had purchased a dead cow at Farukh Nagar and the cow was been skinned in the open by the road side. This looks utterly impossible. The hides trader would have being interested to deliver the hides purchased for 40 thousand rupees and his cousin who skin animals would have been interested in taking the balance amount and to reach home early. All of a sudden during all this, purchasing a dead cow for Rs. 2000/- and sitting down to skin it by the roadside and that too in front of the police chowkie sounds incongruous. The police has not yet been able to name the person who had allegedly sold the dead cow to Kailash.
3. It is possible that the truck laden with animal hides attracted the attention of the passers by. VHP and allied groups were openly involved in spreading the rumours that Muslims have killed a cow and are skinning it. It is to be kept in mind that a Gau Rakshaa movement of the type that notorious Dara Singh and his compatriots were organising in Orissa was going on here also - blatantly communal, targetting the Muslims. Inciting the people for violence and collecting its activist at the police chowkie was also done by the VHP. The members of the VHP had also tried to erase the name of the Muslim officer from the board outside the police chowkie. They had phoned the police chowkie as mentioned earlier and there was also a call from Delhi calling himself "Shankaracharya" giving the same type of warning. The procession that was taken out the next day was also clearly done by the VHP. This procession had justified the killing and had demanded that none should be arrested.
4. There should be further investigation into the claims of the estimate of numbers of the crowd gathered round the police chowkie. It is not impossible to imagine that the police is exaggerating the size of the crowd in order to explain away its lack of action. The police chowkie is very small and all round it there is open area. Therefore, faced with a large crowd a small police force could not have defended it. Otherwise also the police has not been able to explain as to why it let the crowd gather for 4 hours and permitted the tension to increase and did not carry the dalits away before the matter got out of hand.
5. The point that worries and baffles most is that the State Government has not shown any signs of actions Before the visit of this team no minister had paid a visit to the place of the tragedy. Also no compensation had been announced for the families of those who were brutally killed.
6. It is amply clear that under instructions from the government the police has devoted all its attention to pacify the situation, not to take any action against those who were responsible for the tragedy as this could have created a law and order problem. Thus a new code is being created; but maintaining law and order does not mean that those accused of the barbaric killings should not be arrested and the authority should surrender before the communal forces.
7. We are of the opinion that the law of the country has been set assided. In spite of sufficient evidence, those responsible for the crime have not been arrested. One reason is that the government and the administration is soft towards the communalists. The other one is that the police itself is a guilty party.
Afterword: The one member Commission of enquiry set up by the Haryana Government comprising the Rohtak Divisional Commissioner R.R. Banswal submitted its report and the government accepted it on 8th December. It indicted six police persons, the executive magistrate, DEP Narendra Singh, SHO Rajendar Singh, Incharge Duleena police post Dharambir, BDPO SP Singh, Naib Tehsildar Shyam Lal and two ASIs - Chief Editor.
RE:http://www.pucl.org/Topics/Dalit-tribal/2003/jhajjar.htm
by rumba cardi on Sep 23, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
got an accident a year before & got foot enjuiry & was operated by upper class doctor 7 still not able to walk as a negligence on a doctors part as he does not perform his operation well , & bill was in thousands ,so what is bad if resevation is being nade compulsory as upper caste doctorrs is also doing negligence on his part,now i believe that reservation is not a bad idea
On September 29, four members of a dalit family were massacred in Kherlanji, a village in district Bhandara, near Nagpur in Maharashtra.
The incident was reported first in some Marathi daily and the mainstream media did not provide any space to this incident. Some political parties organised a protest but it remained a mere ritual.
DNA reported the incident on October 7 that Surekha, 44 and her daughter Priyanka, 18 were beaten and gang-raped in front of villagers for an hour before they fell dead.
It is reported that sticks were pushed into their private parts. The male members were stabbed repeatedly and their private parts mutilated when they refused to do sex with their blood relatives.
Bhaiyyalal Bhotmange, 50, a dalit farmer was helpless witness of this incident.
DNA had another report on October 12 on the incident that only two weeks after the Kherlanji massacre, the Maharashtra Minister for Social Justice Chandrakant Handore gave an aid of Rs4.5 lakh to Bhaiyyalal who is the sole survivor of the Bhotmange family.
Here is the detail of the incident and some pictures of the victims that can make your tears out even if you are a hard-hearted person. I advice you not to see the pictures if you are bit extra-emotional human-being.
The Times of India has reported about this incident only on October 29.
NDTV has reported this story on October 30 almost one month later of the brutal incident.
Was the brutal murder of 4 members of the family and gang rape of Priyanka really not an issue to raise by the media? They say about themselves as the fourth pillar of Indian democracy and watch dog over the administration.
Where were you? The story of dalit family massacre is not any worthwhile for you people. The channel like NDTV has reported the story only after one month and interestingly they did not said any thing during the news package about the date of the incident. And They say that they are the watchdogs%u2026
Update: The blogosphere is abuzz with the story and also over the publication of the pictures. Some are supporting the move and others denouncing it. Check it out on India Blog Watch.
RE:bharat,
by bharat on Apr 29, 2007 03:36 PM Permalink
i am sorry for the victims of khairlanji, i dint know the details. it is still worse that it happened in front of the villagers. i dont watch much tv, and sometimes when busy, i have to skip news papers also. so i missed the details of khairlanji.
no one can deny attrocities and crimes are not taking place in this large country. terrorism is a bigger problem today. it is very difficult to stop such incidents totally in our large country. but shouldnt the government rather focus on removing such problems than creating a further rift in the castes by reservations. govt should follow ways so that the different castes live with love with other castes.
ok ndtv came up with it late, other media would have brought it out and what is important is that such incidents should not go unreported and the perpetrators of such henoius crime should be severly punished. in north india also we hear such news somnetimes, when some boy of some community runns away with the girl of other communities. there are not castes in pakistan, but such stories are common there also, when one boy runs away with girl of other community / tribe etc.. basically the culture and people of india and pakistan is almost the same only borders have been drawn a few years back.
RE:bharat,
by rumba cardi on Sep 23, 2007 03:22 PM Permalink
got an accident a year before & got foot enjuiry & was operated by upper class doctor 7 still not able to walk as a negligence on a doctors part as he does not perform his operation well , & bill was in thousands ,so what is bad if resevation is being nade compulsory as upper caste doctorrs is also doing negligence on his part,now i believe that reservation is not a bad idea
It is very Pity and Sorry that Brahmin is also reaching on the position of schedule caste.But Quota is the problem and neccessity of the Govt. If it is scraped the most of the SC/ST/OBC will embrass Christianity or Islam,where there is no discrition in the name of caste color and creed all human are equal in these religion. So Keeping them in Hiduism it is vital to continue reservation for ever.
RE:Brahmin
by yogesh sonambekar on Apr 29, 2007 11:07 AM Permalink
Dear friend, I dont want to be part of open religious debate as everybody's emotions about own religion are strong and situation in our country is explosive. I have good friends in Muslim and Christian religion and we discuss problems of each other friendly. They tell me problems in their religions. My one Muslim friend told me that there are 100 castes in Muslim though they dont directly call it as caste. Now, Muslims are demanding reservation for their SC/ST/OBC. Doesnt Bagi(hindu-mali, one looking after garden) is one of casts of Muslim? My one Muslim friend is from Barbar cast. What is Shia and Sunni? You dont call it as a cast but at last they are the type of differentiation. Let me assure you that condition in Hindu religion is far better than other religions. Here, I and my friends like Dinesh, Patil, Bharat are discussing openly reservation system and trying to improve Hindu religion without any bitterness. You can read out our discussion if you are ready to take painstaking efforts. Plz I will not discuss with you on religious basis.
RE:Brahmin
by zaheen usmani on Apr 29, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Yogesh thanks for reply and showing mirror to every community. In Islam There is no conception of Caste if some one practice it is against the religion In India it is in practice because Hindu brothers since those who converted themself continue to right his caste.But In Islam any person either Mali or Sweeper by caste can read Namaz and even can lead the prayer with out any discrimination can stand one by one in a row .While still SC are not allowed in major temples in South India.Even I have seen Brahmin hate much more to SC than Muslim
RE:Brahmin
by rumba cardi on Sep 23, 2007 03:23 PM Permalink
got an accident a year before & got foot enjuiry & was operated by upper class doctor 7 still not able to walk as a negligence on a doctors part as he does not perform his operation well , & bill was in thousands ,so what is bad if resevation is being nade compulsory as upper caste doctorrs is also doing negligence on his part,now i believe that reservation is not a bad idea
