RE:Americans are very good. I love America, God Bless America
by dp on Apr 14, 2007 12:05 AM Permalink
On U love America???? See how its using Muslims against Muslims? They are creating terrorists and killing them on other hand.they are perfect slaughterers and staunch diplomats.
RE:Americans are very good. I love America, God Bless America
by UmaShankar SathyaKumar on Apr 14, 2007 12:09 AM Permalink
I guess you like to be killed in a road side bomb in Iraq or by a suicide bomber in Afghanistan or end up in another World Trade Centre..
RE:Americans are very good. I love America, God Bless America
by on Apr 13, 2007 11:42 PM Permalink
But at the same time, no angry, force or anykind I expected from the Super Power. It knows very well about India in the past. We have right to get fuel like any other for our electricity needs, let us talk more and resolve the matter.
RE:Americans are very good. I love America, God Bless America
by on Apr 14, 2007 12:12 AM Permalink
How many other president's you want to slap, only bush, don't discriminate there too.
RE:Americans are very good. I love America, God Bless America
by Serial Tourist on Apr 14, 2007 12:53 AM Permalink
You seem to be a missionary recieving money from US churches.
Yes..America was once up on a time before 2000 was mistakenly called super power.
GERMANY,FRANCE,ITALY and so on feels that they are being bullied by the US with the help of UK in Europe. Anti-Americanism is a word itself first invented and spelled by the French.
China and Japan don't care much about US in anyway as they are US's biggest money lenders!!!
India is the only country left in Asia for US seek as an 'Alley' without much choice. Pakistan and Afghanistan are being used by the US think tank.
We are in 2007, Why can't we spend the money to bulit our own nuclear stations without making the US nulcear businessmen rich with Indian money.
Americans are idiots...We don't have to act like an idiot to them...Show them the door or slap the door on their face.
They want to poke their nose into everything that has Cash. Be sure - if they are helping us than they have their hidden benefit that is why. If India would have had oil they would have surely raged a civil war in India too as they have done it in Iraq. So can't trust them at all. It is good that our government is going slow on this deal - let the greedy US get frustrated BUT the deal should be to our benefit.
This article does what Americans do best - WHINE.The creeps lead such insulated lives that the world ends at the tip of their noses. And now that the balance of power has substantially shifted and does so as we speak with more and more nations pull up their socks ( while the US dreams on in its glorious past)- suddenly these creeps have realised that others do have a life beyond Amrikaaa and hence all this urgency and crap to get new "allies" on their side. The US knows very well that China cares a rats ass about what it says - the only other hugely populated consumer market and projected super power is India - so do all these tantrums to get India to move fast and sign on the dotted line.
After all the Amrikaan impression of India is the way the NRI's there - the gas station / grocery store / motel owners / IT software jock behaves - shout jump and these clowns jump, scream sit and these dogs sit and whine. No wonder Amrikaaa thinks Indians in India too will behave that way.Well, wake up time for them.
RE:Whining
by on Apr 13, 2007 11:38 PM Permalink
It will benefit both America, Indian & rest of the world if India is given with Nuclear-Deal w/o much restrictions. There should not be any dotted line & there should not be any hide & seek games, there should not be any angry.
RE:Pragmatism - Diplomats Promote Civilization%u2019s Interests
by Uday Porandla on Apr 14, 2007 12:05 AM Permalink
good source..copied from.. http://diplomacyofcivilizations.blog.com/
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by chaitanya kumar on Apr 14, 2007 12:12 AM Permalink
yeah i could not paste the entire link here because it's big :-)..so excerpted couple of things. One more item:
Indian foreign policy in twenty-first century shall aim to promote Indian culture, languages, civilization, and Hindu Religion. Southeast Asia had historically been a part of Greater India. Indian foreign policy shall promote Hindu and Buddhist interests in Greater India that includes Burma, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, and Indonesia. India will do its utmost to establish Buddhist Governments in China, Taiwan, North Korea, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Tibet, and Mongolia. India and China belong to same Buddhist civilization. India should align with Catholic civilization to bring down the atheist, anti-people totalitarian Communist regime in China. India, Pakistan, and Iran belong to common Aryan Civilization. India, Pakistan, and Iran shall join forces to carve out an independent Aryan Kurdistan in Turkey. The Religions of Peru%u2019s Inca Indians, Mayas, Aztecs, and Australian Aborigines are all similar and related to Hinduism. Hindu India has Civilization%u2019s interest in carving out independent sovereign states of Eskimos, Native Americans, Aztecs, Mayas, Amerindians, Incas, and Aborigines in North America, South America, Australia, and Siberia. India welcomes the Clinton%u2019s Doctrine as it legitimizes Indian intervention in Turkey, Chiapas Mexico, Guatemala and Peru to protect the fundamental rights of Kurds, Aztecs, Maya, and Inca to have sovereign independent statehood, respectively.
India is a classic example that ancient civilizations never die. Phoenix-like they resurrect in their full glory out of the ashes of the foreign rule. Aryans from Iran and Punjab conquered the Goddess Kali, God Shiva worshipping ancient civilization Dravidians. The ancient Hinduism Dravidians staged come back in its pristine glory and replaced Vedic Gods. Buddhism replaced Hinduism as the dominant religion of India, after Emperor Ashoka. Hindus retaliated by developing Hinduized Mahayana that became the dominant religion in China, Japan, Korea and Vietnam, over-shadowing Hinayana Buddhism of Sri Lanka, Burma and Thailand. Sankracharya single handedly caused the resurrection of Hinduism around ninth century and eliminated Buddhism from India. Muslims ruled India for 600 years and Christians ruled India for 200 years. India emerged as a world power in 1947. Hinduism is in its full glory now and poised to take over the world in the coming Millennium.
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by chaitanya kumar on Apr 14, 2007 12:17 AM Permalink
you know what buddhists don't like violence..but the sinhalese Buddhists like it :-) BTW, Buddhism influenced China for more than 2000 years more than or equalling Taoism in many ways, and India should see it through that perspective. These aspects are undermined by current chinese regime because of communist dictatorial rule.
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by vijay vikram on Apr 13, 2007 11:32 PM Permalink
thanks for such informative article...good points...in my view, violence is reality...so what India is facing today is the tip of the iceberg only...be prepared for wars in a big way...any way, we hindus believe in resurrection
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by Pradeep Thomas on Apr 14, 2007 12:13 AM Permalink
As you have said.. The Arabs & Isralites where Nomads, but they were the one to worship the Lord Almighty, thatz why they are blessed than the rest who choose to worship other Gods & Godesses & their Idols.. which is Forbidden by the Lord Almight - Jehovah. US is blessed because it Sheltered the Israleities (Jews). And no force can hold against them - as told by GOD
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by biju nair on Apr 14, 2007 12:52 AM Permalink
Dear PradeeP Thomas,
I do suspect the authenticity of the almighty of Jews and Arabs. The so called Almighty has only a limited territory, the middle east. Neither Old/New Testament or Quran have any knowledge about the geographical area beyond middle east and its surrounding areas.
It suggest the so called almighty was a local God. If you are aware you should find out what Church did to Galileo, Bruno and Copernicus for exposing the ignorance of Bible regarding scientific truths which are proved now. Quran is worst.
Those barbarians destroyed more civilised, scientifically modern and cultured civilizations like Babylonian, Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Sindhava as they were peaceful civilizations and were unable to resist the nomads who were looters and robbers by occupation. More civilized cultures had agriculture as their occupation and were peace lovers with less war experience. The Arabian nomads were war mongers who lived up on robbery, killing and making the peace loving tribes slaves and then indulging slave trade.
Muhammed was not different. Muhammed laid down some rules for dividing the booty hence preventing in fight within them for dividing booty
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by chaitanya kumar on Apr 14, 2007 12:21 AM Permalink
you convert..you are a blasphemy walking on our sacred land :-) But don't worry. Your posterity will get back to their roots. Now you talk like this because of the influence church has over your day to day life that has made it's mark in places of the nation and gained a significant foothold and support externally by keeping you wayfrom appreciating your ancient traditions which form the roots of human civilization itself.
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by Pradeep Thomas on Apr 14, 2007 12:32 AM Permalink
It was never that Tradiation which gave me bread & butter.. it is the christianity which helped me, in making me.. who I am now...
RE:Pragmatism - Diplomats Promote Civilization%u2019s Interests
by chaitanya kumar on Apr 14, 2007 12:38 AM Permalink
well i see it differently. Take help available from other civilizations to improve and reform old practices of your civilization. I don't think believing in Ram or Jesus makes any difference in my life and so better to help the former cause when it is about your roots and identities. That's very rational approach. You are just a sold out to White Christian and his ideology to forward his cause. A traitor of no use who becuase you come in the way of Hindu awakening. It would have been beneficial if you did it in demoralized times.
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by on Apr 14, 2007 12:44 AM Permalink
Chaitanya, stop blabbering about brown peoples! Ask your mother to find you a fair girl for marriage and you will do well in life.
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by chaitanya kumar on Apr 14, 2007 12:49 AM Permalink
When you say that, you miss the larger racial groupings. People are going to approach races from one level to other and preferences are made to the immediate ones and there are exception to it. It should be done in an order for races to converge. Yours is just a fantasy. World around racism is on the rise. Don't be surprised if your white girl friend faces difficulties in indian small towns or you in european small towns.
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by hi on Apr 14, 2007 02:13 AM Permalink
Chaitanya, All on/off are not the same, so, please reply based on that. We need to know the topic properly & reply based on that. Some points of chaitanya kumar is appreciable.
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by hi on Apr 14, 2007 02:11 AM Permalink
All on/off are the same, so we better reply based on that.
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by on Apr 13, 2007 11:26 PM Permalink
We need some Uranium for sort out electricity problem, we are not a police to police the world. Let others co-operate w/ us w/o putting much conditions which jeopardise national security.
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by chaitanya kumar on Apr 13, 2007 11:27 PM Permalink
i am quoting historical conflicts which are not bothered about your electricity problem. They are MUCH bigger than that.
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by Mukesh Garg on Apr 13, 2007 11:38 PM Permalink
Dear friend, You seems to be a person with lots of interest in History. You asked how few thousands muslim invaders could conquer lots of land. Well, the answer is simple. They were united, 1 by 1 they attacked every part and took advantage of the people's mutual fights in every country. At least that was what happened in India. A deeply cast based, divided society, where people were always fighting each other was an easy target for them. To add to it, invaders were savages (This can be clearly seen from Prithviraj-Gauri example, where Prithvi had shown human like treatment and Gauri later showed his animal nature). Anyway ... That is all past ... bad news is, even today we are not ready to learn from our mistakes. India is still a soft state (even in cases of national security). Our leaders are experts in cast politics. These days, all major political parties spending their 100% effort on UP elections. Previously they did the same for Punjab and Delhi elections. Soon other states will follow. So, in nut shell, we still are spending most of our effort in fighting with each other instead of cooperation. Its easy for anyone to target us.
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by chaitanya kumar on Apr 13, 2007 11:46 PM Permalink
well, the interesting point is tamils are engaging with punjabis and bengalis are engaging with marwaris in some ways whatever the reasons (mainly due to globalization phenomena though) be that was not observable in past. People here are getting acquainted with the concept of nation and pan national spirit through conflicts and common interests. Political parties of current times are opportunist and survive on short term. What is happening in India is a Hindu awakening and it has a brown Hindu resurrection to it to include people on that basis by pitting it against the groups bordering and elsewhere. It leads to big refined nation state rearrangement which must be the consequence of past that is made of barbaric ways.
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by Mukesh Garg on Apr 13, 2007 11:43 PM Permalink
1 question, can there be a law that all the elections (MLA and MP) take place at the same time. By doing this, all these leaders will fight for 6 months during the elections, but then work for next 4.5 years. I think there is a difference b/w duration of each type, but why can't we adjust those number of years so that it matches now.
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by chaitanya kumar on Apr 13, 2007 11:49 PM Permalink
that is a good point. It helps to seek common national goals when elections are held around same times and thus making sure interests at one time don't make an impact on particular regions and some other interests in other regions becuase of different election times. It does create imbalances. But people should be educated to understand these basic things.
Many have expresesed anti American views in this forum. Please do not forget that the cureent economic growth of India is because of the pressures exerted by the World Bank circa 1990 when the country was dead broke because of all the socialist policies championed by the intelligentia in the country, which still has not changed its mind. India switched to a policy of free market economy (still being hobbled by the "intellectuals who are leftists that talk about socialism and communism, but send their children to elite private schools "), and the results are showing. Much of India's growth is because outsourcing by US companies, and by remittances of NRIs who escaped the policies of socialization and the caste and bribe based economy developed by the Nehru beauracrats in India. So whenever you critcize the USA, think about who is helping the economy to grow. Of course, the USA may have been wrong to go into Iraq (in hindsight). However, if it is not for the USA, who is going to fight the Islamic terrorists who want to take over the whole world? Europe? No, they are too busy savoring the protection given by the USA during all the years of cold war, when the Russians could have run over the Fulda gap in germany any time and taken over all of Europe...They still do not have the courage or manpower to face upto the Islamists. Of course, they also treat all people that do not look like them or belong to the same religion as dogs. Go and see for yourself in France, Germany, or Italy...!Russia? They would like India to be "socialist" again, and be giving them hard currency for their weapons. China? They are waiting to take over Kashmir, Arunachal, Assam, etc. Pakistan? You know the answer... Friends, realize that there is a great war going on between Islamic terrorists who want us all to convert to Islam or pay the Zizya tax as we did under the Moghul emperors, or kill us. Israel is up against them, but only because of American backing. The ideal of India is the same as America, namely a country where people can live together peacefully and happily, whether they are Hindu, Muslim, Christian, or atheist. The nuclear deal is as improtant to India as it is to the USA. So, the Indian Government should get it going before George Bush becomes the "lame duck' President very soon. The President who is likely to be a Democrat will not be behind it as much, and 'the nuclear agreement" will die a painful death.
RE:US Nuclear deal
by on Apr 13, 2007 11:30 PM Permalink
China took its own decision whether to deal w/ USA or w/ Russia or any other country. We also like that. So, no one think that it is to contain whom. No body is there in a containing stage like a cap to contain like a container bottle. Better work for their own country benefit. Different times need different friendship. India inspite of all sanctions we have achieved a lot with our hard work & struggle. We rise to the world with our individual efforts with minimal help from others in the past ( as more help were restricted). We have right to tell our things. We need more talks to let them understand what it is all about.
RE:US Nuclear deal
by on Apr 13, 2007 11:55 PM Permalink
No one that all of a sudden send a Super Power to go home. We need to be friendly with neighbors like China as well as the Mighty Super Power USA too. We need Russia & other powers too.
RE:US Nuclear deal
by Rahul Oberoi on Apr 13, 2007 11:30 PM Permalink
"The current bon-homie betw India & USA is coz they are scared of China's Rise. "
Bang on LAX. This is the reason. The other is of course the huge consumer market which even today has just had its tip exposed.
Wonder when these Amrikaaan asslickers stand up and realise there is more to India than just Amrikaan benevolence.
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by Rajesh KVP on Apr 13, 2007 11:35 PM Permalink
I am so proud of you lax.. ur articles are so informative.. and they have opened my eyes even more to the patriotism of india..
