RE:My intention was not to show North Indians as bad & South Indians as great! I just quoted Nehru to explain their behavior.
by debajyoti S on Apr 12, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
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RE:My intention was not to show North Indians as bad & South Indians as great! I just quoted Nehru to explain their behavior.
by Ramesh on Apr 12, 2007 11:57 AM Permalink
South India was protected from Muslim rule for 250 years when a great alliance was formed by hindu kings to save muslim agrression under the leadership of Thulva dynasty rules. How many north indians know about Krishna Deva Raya and its sucessful vitory against Muslim rules. Else most of south indians could also be muslims. Its very sad to see even kannadiga's don't seems to prise him as maratha's do in the present day for shivaji.
RE:RE:My intention was not to show North Indians as bad & South Indians as great! I just quoted Nehru to explain their behavior.
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Apr 12, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
You are talking about Vijaynagara empire which is treated as pinnacle of Hindu Civilization. Its capital city was best cirty of its time in the world which was looted, wholly destroyed by an axis of 4 Islamoc Sultanate.
Those who know history are well aware of Vijaynagara empire.
Saradindu Bandopadhyay, a famous Bengali noveslist wrote a very famous Bengali historical novel "Tungabhadra-er Tire" (By the side of the river Tungabhadra) in 1960s which became very famous and popular. It got many literary awards as well.
Unfortunately, we have little cross translation between Indian Languages. So, we are not aware/
I am sure, if this book is translated by an able man, it will become major hit even today.
RE:My intention was not to show North Indians as bad & South Indians as great! I just quoted Nehru to explain their behavior.
by Ramesh on Apr 12, 2007 12:51 PM Permalink
That's very interesting and news to me. Hope it gets translated so that all indian can read it.
Nehru in "discovery of India" wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
Incredibly, even Nehru accepted that North Indians are more aggressive (when compared with South Indians) BECAUSE NORTH INDIA WAS UNDER LONG OPPRESSIVE ISLAMIC RULE.
If you live with people who rouse rubble every day, you also start imitating them.
UP was the main center of Islamic dynasties in India and underwent long oppression.
And that's why BJP will always remain powerful in UP. Because they will meet these islamists right on the street.
RE:RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by NAFASAT KHAN on Apr 12, 2007 10:54 AM Permalink
why are you quoting Nehru?he is a taboo,rather Nehru ghazi khan for you and your likes.
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by Rajesh Murthy on Apr 12, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
Thank him for your Survival else you would have to live in Pakistan among suicide bombers
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by NAFASAT KHAN on Apr 12, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
don't taunt!I am more patriotic n nationalist Indian than you.Nationalist doesn't necessarily means to be a member of BJP/to vote BJP only.To love country means to be sincere in discharching your duties,doing nothing detrimental to the interest of Nation/Society/Humanity.I know so many BJPwallas,taking huge bribes,doing ticketless journey in rails,not going to offices(Govt)n drawing salaries for doing nothing,selling/manufacturing spurious/adulterated food items/drugs,an endless chains of misdoings.IN THIS HAMMAM,ALL ARE NACKED,KYA CONG,KYA SP,KYA BJP,KYA THIS,KYA THAT.ONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A GOOD MORAL CHARACTER,CANT BE GOOD TO ANYONE-FAMILY,SOCIETY,NATION,HUMANITY.
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by shreepad halleppanavar on Apr 12, 2007 12:47 PM Permalink
Nationalist does not mean hate muslims either. Nor secularism means APPEASE muslims. But that apart you talk of morals. With morals comes sensitivity and moving with times. Why it is more important for muslims to LOOK MUSLIMS than being good muslims !!! why cannot you make it personal and see that it does not cause nuisance. Why only selective use of technology where it suits and RELIGION DEMANDS when it does not ???. Morality, I think, has a wider perspective.
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by NAFASAT KHAN on Apr 12, 2007 01:24 PM Permalink
why successive guvts don't make stringent laws?why they become afraid of loosing power if did something against muslims?To be strong,requires to be just,honest,upright,which is lacked by all parties,including BJP.
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by Kaushik Das on Apr 12, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
The stringent laws aspect is one part i agree with and BJP is guilty there but the defence is that they shared power with a few other so called 'secular' parties whose aim was to not arouse the muslims.
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by Hindustani on Apr 12, 2007 02:10 PM Permalink
Dear NAFASAT ALI KHAN, You Seem to be a MODERATE MUSLIM.....Rare to SEE !!!!!
You & Some of Your MUSLIM Brothers who Claim that they are NATIONALISTS & PATRIOTS are Either Too INNOCENT / IMMATURE that they Don't Know the Meaning of ISLAM.......
For MUSLIMS there is NO Country !!!!!!! For Muslims There is No NATION !!!!!! For Muslims there is No PATRIOTISM !!!!!
There is Only thing VALID & LEGAL for MUSLIMS - KURAN, Its Teachings and ALLAH....Every other Belief is UNLAWFUL !!! MUSLIMS have ISLAM/ KURAN / ALLAH as Their PRIORITY not NATIONS !!!!!!!
Its a DARK Religion who Doesn't Allow you to THINK / ARGUE !!!!!!!! For ANYONE Who Argues is an UNBELIEVER !!! So EITHER you CALL yourself a MUSLIM or an INDIAN National !!!! You can't be BOTH.......For If you Show PATRIOTISM....Islam will NOT Allow you to do so In NAME OF ALLAH & JIHAD !!!!
Thus ANY MUSLIM in This WORLD is a ISLAMIC FOLLOWER ( BELIEVER ) or a Patriot of ANY Country (UN BELIEVER ) But Can't Be BOTH at the Same Time !!!!!!!!
Think Over It !!!!! ANSWER this When You Get your STATUS Clear,WHETHER you are a MUSLIM First or an INDIAN First !!!!!
If You & Your Brothers Come Out as an INDIAN.....then DELETE the Lines From KURAN Dictating HATRED Against NON MUSLIMS If You Can't Do that Remain with your ISLAM and ALLAH........This World Don't Need MUSLIMS having HATEFUL Feelings for NON MUSLIMS !!!!!!!
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by Kaushik Das on Apr 12, 2007 03:50 PM Permalink
Nafasat, these are generic problems with our politicians and BJP members are actually better then their congress and third front predecessors in these aspects of corruption. Also, other than these (where BJP is better), I think BJP already conforms to your criteria of "sincere in discharching your duties,doing nothing detrimental to the interest of Nation/Society/Humanity." So, why the hatred for BJP? If you really love the nation, I don't think you have a better choice right now (I hope we have better parties in future).
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by kapil sharma on Apr 12, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
yes nehru is taboo but he is very much baised to muslims.Kashmir issue is a major example of his psedo secularism
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by Vinay Gupta on Apr 12, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
Talk about the contents of what Bhaskar has wrritten. Donot try to confuse the issue, Mr Nafasat.
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by NAFASAT KHAN on Apr 12, 2007 11:59 AM Permalink
contents are correct.it was the order of days in medieval age.what to say medieval age,holocast in germany,bosnia,kosovo are recent.however,it is desirable that muslims should condemn the misdoings of Muslim rulers.I personally cndemn such acts of theirs.This is the only way for goodwill between the two communities inIndia.
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by Rajesh Murthy on Apr 12, 2007 10:57 AM Permalink
Dear Friend,
Going by Nehru's Logic Did he want North Indian Hindus remain aggressive that way that he asked Muslims to remain in the Country.
He was a confused Leader who spoke and behaved both the ways.
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Apr 12, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
Who says aggressive Islamic rule was taken by Hindus so easily?
The very rise of Sikhs (who were all Hindus, whose Gurus gave life to protect Hindus) show to the contrary. Jats played major role opposing Islamic rule. Rajputs rallied against Islamic rule.
Fact of the matter is: Islamic rule never settled in India/. It was always challenged.
Nehru is a secular ICON. WHEN NEHRU SAYS THIS, YOU UNDERSTAND THE REALITY. IF BJP SAYS IT, EVERYBODY WILL ACCUSE IT AS COMMUNAL.
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by Vinay Gupta on Apr 12, 2007 11:19 AM Permalink
Bogey of castesism is recent phenomena. At the time of Chanakya most of the kings were Todays Backwards. Chandragupt was todays backward. Shivaji was from todays backard community...
What Bhasker pointed out is 100% correct. Muslim could never had 100% dominance. They had stiff resistance from Hindus and this was the reason why Hinduism could survive unlike Pharas ( present Iran ).
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by Ideal Man on Apr 12, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
It is all Nehru's Policies due to which people have become very aggressive in attitude. This attitude is not bad if used for good purpose but Nehru is responsible for making people aggressive for other cause. Since Independence nothing has been done in these states specially in North India other than just spreading of Castism. These Mulayam and Mayawati has taken advantage of this and ruled state number of times. Due to Illiteracy people don't understand that these parties specially SP and BSP are doing nothing. When SP, BSP comes to power they try to fill their pockets as much as possible during the undefined tenure becoz they don't have existence in other states and they just try to encash the opportunity. Thus people should understand and throw these regional parties out of the state and should vote for either Congress or BJP. Now when you compare congress with BJP you would find BJP far ahead. BJP has a reputation of doing work for people. In our state MP you would see every where roads are under construction, they are doing gr8 job. In Gujrat you can see the developent is at its peak. So its better to choose aggressive parties which work for positive side.
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by Gautam Sinha on Apr 12, 2007 10:57 AM Permalink
Bhaskar Babu, please do not single out just one factor. Remember that UP has been under casteism even longer than the muslim rule. Meerut will be an interesting battle. Just as a foot note: if you look at your post ("...people who rouse rubble every day, you also start imitating them...")the logical conclusion from that would be that people would have been voting for Islamic parties which is not the case as it appears from the article. The last line of your post does not link to your full posting. You may want to fill in your chain of thoughts.
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Apr 12, 2007 11:03 AM Permalink
Gautam: that's the problem of half baked 'commie' knowledge!
Just think, why Uttar Pradesh, supposed heart of "Casteist" Hinduism since antiquity saw SO LITTLE CONVERSION TO ISLAM. Max Muslim was 20% just prior to partition.
While Bengal and North Western India where casteism was MUCH LESS CONVERTED MOST?
Casteism is a dead-horse which was created as a bogey during Colonial Era.
Casteism has no relationship with violence. It was 100% because of aggressive, oppressive ISLAMIC RULE.
NEHRU EVEN WROTE, PRIOR TO ISLAM PERIOD, HINDUS OF NORTH INDIA AND SOUTH INDIA WERE OF SAME NATURE!
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by SAM KIM on Apr 12, 2007 10:54 AM Permalink
U r perfectly right. Northies are very agressive, uncivilised.
The other day i was travelling in BMTC VOLVO Bus in bangalore. The whole Bus was gentelmenly and quite. There was these 2 different North boys who started shouting over thier mobile and chatting loudly. Eventhough everybody gave stare look they did not care. Even on the road in bangalore i see Nothies aggressivess. They are totally uncivilised.
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by Kaushik Das on Apr 12, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
SAM KIM, this is out of context. Anyway, i have lived in Bang for a few days and I found two kinds of kannadigas - one who are gentlemanly and do not create problem - another who are just like the ones you described for 'northies'. Similarly, there are different kinds of people across north India. I don't see the generalisation. I found many kannadis very very aggressive.
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Apr 12, 2007 10:56 AM Permalink
If you live under oppressive Islamic rule for 500 years, you will turn to similar.
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by prashant on Apr 12, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
dear sam, there is difference between aggresiveness and bad behaviour. yes north indians are aggressive but they are not uncivilised . pleased mind ur tongue begore I loss my civility and give u a taste of north Indian hospitality
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by SAM KIM on Apr 12, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
"begore I loss my civility and give u a taste of north Indian hospitality"
This is what is called North indian's attitude :) LOL
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by vaibhav deep on Apr 12, 2007 01:47 PM Permalink
I know what the civilized people do. They burn few buses, kill few people and damage buildings when some old guy dies a natural death. They do the same when they have to release water to the neighboring state.....:-))
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by Gautam Sinha on Apr 12, 2007 11:00 AM Permalink
I thoroughly agree with you. Most people from Delhi, Haryana and UP are too uncouth,abusive and ego driven as compared to citizens from other civilized states.
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by Kaushik Das on Apr 12, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
Artisan, this is a stupid statement - biharis are everywhere, partly because there are no opportunities in Bihar due to laloo's rule supported by congress which was voted to power in 16 states of the nation besides Bihar. So, you see, you are all equally responsible in bihar's backwardness. . Anyway, there are two kinds of biharis just like from other states - one, the knowledgeable type, the other the hooligan type. . And there are more educated biharis in bangalore, chennai and pune than in delhi.
RE:Nehru in ''discovery of India'' wrote why South Indians are more decent, gentlemanly when compared with North-Indians!
by kumar sushant on Apr 12, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
shut your mouth, stupid
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by prashant on Apr 12, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
yes Bihar is the most civilized state in India where kidnapping has become household industry. Yes north indians are aggressive and I am proud of that because Of our aggressiveness we fought against Islamic rule the most only problem was we were divided.
RE:Jai HIndutva, down secularism
by Gautam Sinha on Apr 12, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
Speak for yourself. Hindu and hardliner do not go together. We want functioning ministers and administrators and we don't really care about their religion. And FYI I am a Hindu.
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by NAFASAT KHAN on Apr 12, 2007 12:11 PM Permalink
you always "incite"the hindus to be hostile towards muslims.is it o.k?Pl note that in riots only innocents of both sides suffer.those who "arrange"the riots sit n enjoy in their drawingrooms,heavilly guarded by police/paramilitia.
RE:Jai HIndutva, down secularism
by Ramesh P on Apr 12, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
We are not inciting anyone, we are teaching them facts and survival skills. Survival skills include understanding islam and muslim mind in this millenium.
RE:Jai HIndutva, down secularism
by NAFASAT KHAN on Apr 12, 2007 01:34 PM Permalink
if islam is so bad,then why n how a number of hindus are florishig in dubai,bahrain,uae,particularly OMAN,where one gujrati fellow/his family/progeny-khimji ramdas is controlling the trade of OMAN n given the title of SHAIKH by the royal family of MUSQAT.why not all hindus,earning millions of dollars in these countries flee from their BCOZ THEY ARE BEING TREATED PROPERLY THEIR.IN OMAN,THERE IS A 16 CENTURY HINDU TEMPLE.WHY NOT GOOD EXAMPLES ARE POSTED?WHY ONLY -VE?
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by shreepad halleppanavar on Apr 12, 2007 10:57 AM Permalink
I cannot agree more. SAY NO TO MINORITY LICKING SECULARS. MAY THE TRIBE BHASKER CHATTOPADHAYA AND ASHWIN WARRIER INCREASE.
Or else it may not be far when India will become Ind-onas-ia with a muslim majority and all hindus will be reduced to a population suitable to Bali island. WHERE ELSE HINDUS SHOULD LIVE ON THEIR TERMS with rightful Pride (pl mind : not misplaced pride) ? IN SAUDI ???
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by Rajesh Murthy on Apr 12, 2007 10:52 AM Permalink
Well, Indian actually wants Good Roads, Nice Climate ( anti- Global Warming), Good Airports etc and of course well behaved country men.
RE:Election
by Ashok Patil on Apr 12, 2007 11:16 AM Permalink
As per one IFS officer,60% of these(IPS,IFS,ICS,IAS and IMS) officers are corrupt.Then we can safely assume that 90% are corrupt.SAU MEIN NABBE BEIMAN, MERA BHARAT MAN.Jai ho Neharu and GUNDI family.
RE:Election
by NAFASAT KHAN on Apr 12, 2007 10:57 AM Permalink
very correct observation.Beurocrates are a part of "trio"(beuro,politi,dalals),engaged in looting the country.
RE:Election
by Rajesh Murthy on Apr 12, 2007 10:54 AM Permalink
Are also making money from you and Running away from the Country ( See Majority of their children are in some White man's Country)
the article is correct in saying that one end meerut is progressing at very fast rate but at the same time religion plays an important role and not the cast. ya the crime rate and condition of schools are two concerning things here.in late 80's and early 90's it was a hub of conflicts between two community but now the condition is improved much.
RE:poll pattern in meerut
by aseem kumar gupta on Apr 12, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
Well i agreed that Meerut is the hub of all the major development especially construction. The people have changed a lot in termes of their dressing sense and comsumption pattern which is quite evident from the places like PVS, begam pul etc. But irrespective of all these changes, there is still lot of blocking in the minds of the people regarding religion and sometimes small clashes take wild look thnks to all the communal parties who are ready to count the votes based on fuming such clashes. The other major concern is the condition of roads which is pathetic. None of the elected member considers deelopment as a tool to polarize the votes rather they go for religion as the deciding factor.
But this time EC seems to be hard against all such activities. this time the election is expected to be "Fair". Lets see tomarrow on 13th.
RE:Precisely to match these Islamic fanatics, we need a hard Hindutva!
by Gautam Sinha on Apr 12, 2007 11:04 AM Permalink
How is BJP matching them??? In other constituencies BJP candidates have records similiar to the one you stated above, so shut up.
RE:Precisely to match these Islamic fanatics, we need a hard Hindutva!
by anoop srivastava on Apr 12, 2007 12:17 PM Permalink
to kill the killer one has to become killer. BJP never came in power in full majority otherwise, Sinha ji, You may have more better understanding for your culture and understanding. By the way see one goot side to open ur eyes. http://www.stephen-knapp.com/
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by Ramesh P on Apr 12, 2007 12:51 PM Permalink
Its better than most other parties. Atleast they openly say what they are. All of us should strengthen them and get them elected.
RE:RE:Precisely to match these Islamic fanatics, we need a hard Hindutva!
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Apr 12, 2007 11:32 AM Permalink
Sinha: You commies bad mouth BJP. But state of West Bengal was created almost single handedly by SHYAMA PRASAD MUKHEREE, who is BJP's one of two ICONS (along with Deen Dayal Upadhyay).
RE:Precisely to match these Islamic fanatics, we need a hard Hindutva!
by abc ghi on Apr 12, 2007 10:49 AM Permalink
very well said Mr.Bhaskar.I support u
