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Go back on the QUOTA- India cannot close down 50% seats.
by sunny chakraborti on Apr 10, 2007 05:27 PM  Permalink 

Its becoming more and more flat world. Even in USA the Black/African Americans do not want to talk about Affirmation Action for a particular race/caste-a Quota system. They want equality in every sphere but some help (quota) for the underprivileged/poor section in ok.

As India is developing into a modern country, I think its high time to leave the past differences behind and work towards equality, Justice for all and avoid anything that might lead to inequality-for that might start a new war and anger. We all know that quota is required only for the underprivileged-across all religions and caste and we cannot close down 50% of education seats for that too. We need smart people to run the country as global competition heats up. So it%u2019s a delicate balance to help the poor and not discriminate against the majority-middle class.

Arjun Singh belongs to the bygone era. He will not be part of the new India in next 20-30 years, but the rest of us will be, so we need to think deep for that. As we all know, without a company prospering, the employees cannot prosper. Every stage of life has this connection-Manager-subordinate; household earner-family, also the majority intelligent class (who are creating the quota) and the underprivileged. We cannot afford to have any class war started.

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why reservations ????
by Ashish on Apr 10, 2007 05:19 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

This reservation system will surely degrade the quality of education system because the people with lower brains will come into it.
Also the poor people who really needs this education will not get a chance.
So will this system beneficial for us ???

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RE:why reservations ????
by Gurpreet Khalsa on Apr 10, 2007 05:23 PM  Permalink
you mean to say all Brahmins in J&K are with lower brains as they demand quota there.

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Some Must Be Read Facts
by Indi hindi on Apr 10, 2007 04:56 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

The murder of Father of the Nation Mahatma Gandhi by a Hindutva follower Nathuram Godse not only shocked the whole nation; it led RSS followers to celebrate this event by distributing sweets. While RSS followers were celebrating, and the links of Godse with RSS became apparent, RSS was banned and Golwalkar was arrested. They denied that RSS had any links with Godse. At that time it was easy to claim so as RSS had no written constitution and membership lists, enrollment register etc. Godse was RSS Pracharak and later he joined Hindu Mahasabha and was editing a newspaper, Agrani (leader), the subtitle of the paper was Hindu Rashtra. In the court he denied any links with RSS. Later his brother Gopal Godse, who was also an accomplice in the murder, in an interview given to Times of India (25 Jan 98) stated that his brother Nathuram spoke a deliberate lie in the court, "The appeasement policy followed by him (Gandhi) and imposed on all Congress governments' encouraged the Muslim separatist tendencies that eventually created Pakistan%u2026Technically and theoretically he (Nathuram) was a member (of RSS), but he stopped workings for it later. His statement in the court that he had left the RSS was to protect the RSS workers who would be imprisoned following the murder. On the understanding that they (RSS workers) would benefit from his dissociating himself from the RSS, he gladly did it."

Now Make your Own judgement.


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RE:Some Must Be Read Facts
by Sharan Patil on Apr 10, 2007 06:06 PM  Permalink
Gandhi was not a god, he did not stoped division of India, he got what he deserve, we accept him father of nation.. & we respect & feel good he was in peace now..

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RE:[object]
by Sharan Patil on Apr 10, 2007 06:10 PM  Permalink
Peaple dont know more than 5000 hindus mainly brahmins from pune were killed after gandhi assasinated, like sikh were killed after indira gandhi's assasination.. by the by I am not a RSS member, but I had sympathy for hindu's coz history has done very wrong to them.

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RE:Some Must Be Read Facts
by mandar on Apr 10, 2007 05:55 PM  Permalink
These organisations like RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal are like a cancer to India. They are hell bent to divide this Nation. They are the greatest liars in this world. Everyone knows that Godse was a RSS member but our courts, again dominated by Brahmins, didnot consider Godse having any links with RSS. Even now you can find out that in many cases, when the dirty act is over and the legal strangle is expected, they will diown that person. What happened when one Dara Singh killed Graham Staines. What is happening with the CD issue in UP. These people are very cuning and very unethical and can go to any level to keep themselves superior.

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Divide and Rule
by harifromchennai on Apr 10, 2007 04:56 PM  Permalink 

The people at the helm's goal is to reap in votes from these castes and community and continue to rule the country. It is childish to argue that the country do not have a list of people belonging to creamy layer and hence the reservation must be caste and community based. Which means the people who enjoyed the benefits will continue to enjoy and the people who are needy will starve for decades and may not know that we have so and so reservation for us and schemes for utilize and grow.
Indians have an excellent opportunity, to rise above caste and community and get united, if the government realizes this matter of fact, that the reservation should be based on economically backward classes and reach poor people. By doing so, they will hit two mangoes in a single stone. Eradicate poverty and abolish caste and community by providing relief to economically backward people. However, the politicians are so bothered about saving their skin and accustomed to divide and rule.
One of my friend returned from US asked %u201CWhy US is so developed?%u201D I had numerous answers. But my friend said, US had leaders like Kennedy, Roosevelt who saw US beyond their personal wishes and planned for the benefit of future generations. They developed infrastructure, business, and healthcare. They had issues also such as racial discriminations. They fought for the right of the people and as a result, it is really heartening to see Obama (A first black) is leading the race for president of US. Indications are that, he will be elected for at least vice president though not president, if democrats win handsomely.
Roosevelt and Kennedy are said to be real leaders. The simple reason, why they rise beyond their personal wishes, is that in US, the president cannot be elected more than twice. This means, no way that you can appease people for short term benifit, to get re-elected and keep the chair for decades. But in Indians democracy, the Politian%u2019s are so thick skinned to keep their chair for so long, since there is no bar on re-elections. The suggestion here would, the law have to be amended to make sure that any politician should resign after being CM/PM for not more than eight years. I am not sure, whether this will solve the issue. But it is good to start with.
It is really pathetic to know that the Indians really lack leaders. The above said law can be enforced only by a leader who sees India beyond his/her personal commitments. Do we need to wait for such leader, whether he/she has born already or not? Whether India will have one such? Time should answer. But average Indians have to wait with fingers crossed.

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give reservation
by serial on Apr 10, 2007 04:40 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

do not hesitate in giving reservation,
but only to females of the OBC.
educated females only can send their kids to school.


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One More option
by harifromchennai on Apr 10, 2007 04:33 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

One more option Mr.Arjun Singh should consider is to apply quota system in Judiciary. (I am not sure whether it exists already. Is it?). The problems will be solved permanantly

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RE:One More option
by Abhinav Bhatnagar on Apr 10, 2007 04:45 PM  Permalink
Dear Hari,
its already there.
Read 'Falling over Backwards' Arun Shourie, Rupa and Co.

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RE:One More option
by harifromchennai on Apr 10, 2007 05:06 PM  Permalink
Thanks Abhinav got it.

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That is fare in J&K for you and unfare for others in INDIA
by simply on Apr 10, 2007 04:31 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

And with what face you people are demanding reservation for Hindus in J&K saying yourself minorty?
You Aryans runaway to your redsea from where you people had come. Leave this country. Set us free.

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RE:That is fare in J&K for you and unfare for others in INDIA
by pravin pandey on Apr 10, 2007 05:02 PM  Permalink
and u go to the desert.

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RE:That is fare in J&K for you and unfare for others in INDIA
by harifromchennai on Apr 10, 2007 04:37 PM  Permalink
Aryan invasion theory is the imagination of British creating rift within hindu setup. Needless to mention, the britishers were good in Divide and Rule and so as our politicians. Any invasion should have solid history and proof. The so called Aryan invasion do not have. If having and somebody have a proof, Please let me know.

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RE:That is fare in J&K for you and unfare for others in INDIA
by simply on Apr 10, 2007 04:39 PM  Permalink
Just type Aryan in google

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RE:[object]
by harifromchennai on Apr 10, 2007 04:45 PM  Permalink
Hi,
I am asking for any historical facts not google. Google will list all including lots of craps. The statements of politicians regarding Aryan invasion. Google search gives 1,35,000 entries for "Aerial Bombing in Kashmir by India". Does it mean that all are true?

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RE:That is fare in J&K for you and unfare for others in INDIA
by edwin on Apr 10, 2007 04:43 PM  Permalink
good.......slap on the face......

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RE:That is fare in J&K for you and unfare for others in INDIA
by edwin on Apr 10, 2007 04:38 PM  Permalink
no it is very much there the other name of upper caste is Aryan...u are all anti dravidians....anti indians

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RE:That is fare in J&K for you and unfare for others in INDIA
by harifromchennai on Apr 10, 2007 04:43 PM  Permalink
Divide and rule is working here and clicked well. The politicians will be happy and so as english will be smiling.

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WITH WHAT FACE YOU BEG EQUAL CHANCE: WHAT ABOUT THE RESERVATION THAT YOU PEOPLE WERE GETTING
by simply on Apr 10, 2007 04:25 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

The people of so called forward class need to be pushed back, that is why quota is required. Now this question might have appeared into your mind, why to push them? Well the answer is: the same thing (quota)that these bacwards are getting(to some extent) now a days(in the hands of corrupt rulers), you people were getting for thousand of years earlier. I am pointing out the injustice done to these backwards for centuries. They were not allowed inside a school, not allowed to touch a book even. How you raise questions about their welfare. They have quota in educational instituions, you people had that in every feild earlier: e.g. the backwards were not allowed to have any property as only forwards could keep that. If any poor was seen to be having it, the cruel rulers would disown that person from his property or would destroy that. WAS NOT THAT THE RESERVATION ?
WAS NOT THAT THE RESERVATION ?
WAS NOT THAT THE RESERVATION ?

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RE:WITH WHAT FACE YOU BEG EQUAL CHANCE: WHAT ABOUT THE RESERVATION THAT YOU PEOPLE WERE GETTING
by L L on Apr 11, 2007 12:11 PM  Permalink
Yes simply, that was Reservation. And that reservation affected someone badly. So what do you want today? Revenge? Khoon ke badle khoon? And whose blood? The ones who practised reservation are all dead and gone ages ago, leaving us cursed with their unjust ideology. And that's precisely the demon we are all fighting. The people who made the reservations are all gone and we don't have to carry on the same now. We need to create a better world for us and our children, a more equal world, without nobody being ever asked their caste or creed. If you think reservation will help you take your revenge, you are wrong. You would only be discriminating against yourself more by calling yourself an OBC candidate to avail the benefits you imagine you can get. What is the difference between you and the people who you think did the wrong against you and your forefathers in all these centuries? Let's bury these reservations along with the people who created them and let's live ina n equal world of equal caste. Its possible, if we all think the same.


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RE:WITH WHAT FACE YOU BEG EQUAL CHANCE: WHAT ABOUT THE RESERVATION THAT YOU PEOPLE WERE GETTING
by pravin pandey on Apr 10, 2007 05:08 PM  Permalink
simply u r andha. So what do u think. Do u want to get into IIM's without going to schools. We r not against reservations but look at the way it is implimented. Poor people cannot go to schools but government has sweet dreams of getting them in IIM's directly. Isnt it a joke on the backwards

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