I have been in south for quite sometime. I have been in kerala and Bangalore for studies and jobs. I personally do not believe that the south or the north are better than each other and we can not come up with any particular answer to that. Bu what makes me sick is that you being an Indian (and for that part many more, though not all south Indians whom I know), you are glad that south is making progress. However you might not have written any article if north was doing better.
You go on mentioning that the tradition/culture is kept intact in south as against North and that China has no forgotten its culture and so south is developing faster. Can you provide some facts on what is progress as per you. 10 days per month strikes in kerala? If you are talking about karnataka, can you tell any other business center other than Bangalore an perhaps Mysore. Bangalore has had geographical advantages as well. Bu civilization wise, I really do not think any of these states have improved. If in the name of tradition, you consider abusing people from elsewhere, including you own country some sort of progress, then it just makes me sad that south is doing well.
RE:This is exactly the problem wth you guys
by cv on Nov 16, 2006 03:33 PM Permalink
Amit, that's the problem here. we are tolerent but i'm not tolerent to pseudo nationalist hindi and i'm not representing my state here.
RE:This is exactly the problem wth you guys
by Vijay on Nov 15, 2006 11:51 AM Permalink
First you have to understand the fact that Hindi is NOT our National Language. As per the constitution, Hindi and English (AND ENGLISH) are our official languages. There is no official National Language as such for our country. You guys just read some junk GK book and browbeat foolishly that 'Hindi is our National Language' again and again - without knowing the fact.
RE:This is exactly the problem wth you guys
by Suman on Nov 24, 2006 10:26 PM Permalink
Oh so Mr Vijay, u mean to say whoever believes hindi is our national language has read some junk GK book, in that case maybe the GK books in the 4 south states are different frm the GK books in other 26 states, cuz every1 in north, east, west of indian believes hindi is the national language. Maybe its you guys who are reading some junk GK books, or just coming up with stories of your own. And its south ppl who have said stuff like "to hell with hindi", and "bullshit hindi".. i didnt see any1 talk like that about any of south languages. If something is said against northies,, u call it "talking against hindi aggression", if some1 says rubbish about south, u call it "anti-south".. well i see things the other way around, ppl here are either "anti-hindi", or "handling south aggression"
RE:This is exactly the problem wth you guys
by Kiran Kumar Y on Nov 30, 2006 09:23 PM Permalink
What is 'South' and what is 'North'? If south is do's well or north, the final comment from all of us should be INDIA is doing WELL. We might be telugu tamil, kannada, malayalam or hindi, but together we are INDIANS................
RE:This is exactly the problem wth you guys
by cv on Nov 15, 2006 09:31 PM Permalink
When our beloved Dr. Rajkumar passed away I put on Hindi news channels. The breaking news there was that :Dance bars will reopen.
Nearly for 2 hours no news about Dr. Raj was carried there. These bullshit channels woke up when buses were burnt that night. Meanwhile I saw BBC World releasing his death news in bottom line.
For this hell like treatment we have to learn hindi. Hindi news channels show bullshit of Kumaraswamy's vastu, jyotish. That why hindis can't digest this article.
RE:This is exactly the problem wth you guys
by cv on Nov 16, 2006 03:34 PM Permalink
Amit as my kannada brothers i too don't disrespect northerns. i wish see them going back glorious days of sanskrit and Gupta era.
RE:This is exactly the problem wth you guys
by amit on Nov 16, 2006 12:54 AM Permalink
CV, ur one crazy dude! I have been staying in karnataka for a long time, and i can tell u one thing frm my experience their, i have never seen any kannadiga disrespect hindi, or north indians like you do, they are some of the best people in india. You are just one of a kind, and acting as if u represent the entire karnataka state, dont do that cuz all ur managing to do here is spoil ur state's reputation.
I am a north Indian but have stayed and travelled a lot in South India. I completely agree with the view points of the Rajeev. South India, because of its focus on education and culture is the true torch bearer of India. North India is in a state of utter cultural and moral degradation. I only wish that more South Indians would learn Hindi, so that we could have better linguistic uniformity in our nation. I am not saying this because my mother tongue is Hindi (it is not), but because Hindi happens to be our national language. It would also help South Indians taking more political and beurocratic assignments in Delhi, and probably help India get rid of corruption.
South is doing well-? Say India is doing well
by satish on Nov 21, 2006 10:33 AM Permalink
Its first and foresmost to understand that we are Indians first then only the region and religion comes. So this division of north south west east will do only good to terrorists and other anti India elements. This divisions and fightings between each other for centuries had created the invasions to succeed and we became mere "coolies". Do not repeat that mistake again and again when we as a country is looking to forge ahead. Same time the people in Hindi belt should stop such usages like 'sala madrasi' and other demeaning stuff and discrimination in govt. jobs towards southies. As for Kannadigas stop pouring black oil on English hoardings of shops in Bangalore and atleast allow English destination names in Public transport buses for the sake of non-Kannadigas. So is the case of Tamilnadu which prohibits all things thats non-Tamil and has been bullish in water disputes to Karnataka and Kerala. YOUR HEART SHOULD BEAT FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR INDIA!!(try to learn from Americans!)
RE:Indeed South is doing well
by cv on Nov 14, 2006 03:29 PM Permalink
it is very sad that northerns let the greatest language Sanskrit to die and speak in a language where you have to know whether a stone is male or female.
Sanskrit is spoken natively by the population in Mattur village in central Karnataka. Inhabitants of all castes learn Sanskrit starting in childhood and converse in the language. Even the local Muslims speak and converse in Sanskrit. Historically, the village was given by king Krishnadevaraya of the Vijayanagara Empire to Vedic scholars and their families. KANNADIGAS CHEERZ. Only sanskrit no hindi, handi for us.
RE:Indeed South is doing well
by cv on Nov 14, 2006 04:23 PM Permalink
it is myth that southerns don't know hindi. it is only tamilandu.
in kerala, karnataka, AP hindi is taught as 2/3 rd language upto 10th class. Almost all of the colleges offer hindi as a language in +2 .
if i'm not wrong hindi is recognised in AP as 2nd state language. in north karnataka even illeterate people don't find it difficult to speak with hindi s. in south karnataka it's bit problem. but don't forget bollywood films are equally enjoyed here as it is in hindi heart land.
RE:Indeed South is doing well
by Karthik on Nov 20, 2006 05:53 PM Permalink
Hi Vig
It is indeed painful to see how half baked knowledge has historically spoiled this country. No other countrymen ever fies its tradition more than Indians. We disown our own culture and have adopted other culture and more painful is that we take pride in chiding our own culture.
Vig- Indians have taught world far more sublime things than just materialistic achievements.
Our country reached the zenith of metaphysics even before others could spell spirituality.
We were the only country to wish well for all nations. We discovered Trignometry and applied it to Astrology. We discovered internal medicine and we also knew the art of understanding animal behaviour let alone human psyche.The biggest issue was we did not proliferate thi
We did not cling to spirituality because we had no knowledge of material sceinece. Infact Atharva veda is more of material science but we felt these do not give us permenant joy.
I can go on. But I will stop with a question- Why has so many countries Invaded India if there is nothing here.
In fact it is a painful fact that people who knew never speak in this country and the half knowledged folks scout around scoffing this Gr8 Nation
Indians do not have a rich history of creativity, nor of entrepreneurship nor of scientific invention. Do not inflate the meagre achievements of a few indians in the private sector (which is more due to software than anything else). This myth that Indians have great minds must be broken once and for all. We have some great minds and mostly very ordininary minds, just like any other country, there is nothing supernatural about us. Our population just makes the numbers seem a lot larger, but fractionally the numbers are very ordiniary.
Your misplaced notion that Indianess equals productivity is so stupid that it makes one wonder why in the name of god are you allowed to write this crap.There is abolutely no correlation between indianness and productivity, if anything it is only through learning and mixing with other cultures that one truly enriches oneself, not by clinging on to dogmatic practices (our so called tradition). There is much of our tradition that I truly wish we would lose, because not every tradition ought to be preserved.
RE:how regressive are you
by Vishwa Manava on Nov 24, 2006 12:08 AM Permalink
This is To Kumar who thinks that Karnataka has no contribution to freedom struggle in 1940s.
THE CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE IN KARNATAKA: The Karnataka Pradesh Congress Committee decided to organize Salt Satyagraha at Ankola in 1930. In the presence of a massive rally, M.P. Nadakarni broke the law and manufactured salt from the sea water. People attacked the government salt pans at Sanekatta and distributed salt free of cost. R.R. Diwakar Manjappa Hardikar intensified the movement in Bombay Karnataka. During the second phase of the movement in 1932, forest Satyagraha and No- Tax campaign were launched. In Sirsi, trees from government reserved forests were cut; women also participated in it. Cattle were taken to graze in the forests, without paying the fixed tolls. Toddy trees were also cut to stress the importance of prohibition on the sale of liquor. Siddappa Hosamani and G.V. Hallikeri roused the youth to join the ranks of the Congress. No-Tax campaign (of not paying land revenue) was launched in the Sirsi, Siddapur and Ankola taluks of Uttara Kannada and Hirekerur Taluk of Haveri district in 1931.
RE:how regressive are you
by Vishwa Manava on Nov 24, 2006 12:11 AM Permalink
to KUMAR part 3: THE QUIT INDIA MOVEMENT IN KARNATAKA : As soon as the Quit India Resolution was passed in Bombay, Gandiji was arrested. Karnataka reacted with demonstrations and strikes. The movement took a violent turn in Belgaum, Dharwad, Bangalore, Mysore and Davanagere. People sabotaged and damaged the Government property like cutting telegraph wires, removing railway tracks, and picketing the liquor shops. Students stayed away from the schools and colleges. The Bangalore-Guntakal railway traffic was cancelled for two weeks. Twenty-six railway stations were damaged. Post office at Nippani was completely destroyed. In Uttara Kannada, a government firewood depot was set on fire. The people of Gokarna were made to pay a punitive fine of Rs. 30,000 for this. Mailara Mahadevapp and two other patriots were shot at Hosaritti near Haveri. The people of Isur participated in the Quit India Movement by peacefully organising processions. They checked the entry of the Government officers into the village which was declared "Free". Two officers were killed when they tried to enter 47 the village. Five persons from Isur were hanged for this act.
RE:how regressive are you
by M.B.Susil on Dec 07, 2006 09:05 AM Permalink
It surprises me that there are lot of comments on the article but subtle and not substantiated by any quotes or figures as by Srinivasan .
Secondly , growth for a person living in Bihar or UP may be something which he has not heard of or seen.
A couple of years while I stayed in Baritolliwala , I had evetually difficulty explaining to the guy that a doubleedged blade exists .Needless to say their astonishmnet regarding a automatic geared car or a tubeless tyre.
The first time when I ventured abroad I was surprised to see and understand the quality of life peole lead . Ofcourse there was a Govt which ruled.
But ofcourse we are secular and biggest democracy in the worldand not a Islamic Country like the middle East or Christian Country like Europe or MARXIST country like China.
RE:how regressive are you
by Kumar on Nov 17, 2006 11:52 PM Permalink
If north indians are so open minded and highly adaptive, let the bollywood make a movie which is fully south centric with all southie technicians and the let the movie become a national hit (blockbuster). when that happens, I will say India is truly united and each and every citizen & sub-cultures are respected equally.
If A.R. Rahman composes a punjabi centric music thats acclaimed as 'National' & if he composes a Tamil centric song then that is branded as 'regional'. I don't understand the logic behind this ?... that brings the question what is 'national' & what is 'regional' ?
I don't agree with the article completely because no state in India is completely developed. There are pockets in each & every state which are economically successful and developed.
Finally, I very much admire the north indians for their entrepreneural & leadership skills which a very average southie (not all) lacks.
RE:how regressive are you
by Vishwa Manava on Nov 24, 2006 12:11 AM Permalink
to KUMAR part 2: In Hirekerur, Veerangauda Patil took the lead. The same movement was launched in the three taluks of Uttara Kannada district in 1932. When their household goods and cattle were confiscated for non-payment of taxes, the peasants did not 46 feel deterred. Nor were they agitated even when their lands and houses were attached by the police. When these confiscated goods were to be auctioned there were no bidders. Even when some pro-British persons bought such auctioned goods, women Satyagrahis resorted to fast in front of the houses of such buyers. Nearly 2,500 people were imprisoned in Karnataka during the Civil Disobedience Movement, and of these about 100 were women. In May 1934, the movement was withdrawn.
Dont u hav any self respect
by DR NARAYANA on Nov 26, 2006 07:33 PM Permalink
U must feel ashamed for ur outburst. Whereas the author analysed everything methodically and with references ur vitriolic attack on the article revealed nothing but the hollowness of ur understanding of the subject. Any sane, well informed, n self respecting Indian wil agree with most of the points. In fact the article echoed what I was thinking all these years about why we Indians are continually gaining recognition as intellectuals all over the world - ur tubular vision could only see our achievements in IT which are too recent. Even before that our doctors, scientists and engineers proved themselves all the world over (mostly so in the USA which is the leader in all the sciences for most of the post Industrial revolution period). Leaders like Nehru (architect of the Non aligned movement along with Nasser and Tito) the Mahatma and Indian expatriates like Anirudh Jugannadh (Commonwealth leader) are but only a few of the world leaders produced by this ancient culture. Yes, it is the culture that shapes ur thinking, attitude and aptitudes. This is the culture which declared 'Vasudhaika Kutumbam' and even respects atheism. Come out of the well my little toad !
RE:how regressive are you
by dragon on Nov 19, 2006 11:16 PM Permalink
This is a load of crap. South india is shining because they looking ahead instead of looking back n cribbling like the author of this article. North will do well if they start looking ahead n see how they can make things better. All this shit abt some 15th century kings n languages is all crap.. If everyone looks ahead and focus on solving issues.. the states will automatically do well.It is really meaningless to blame 15th century happenings for the present failure.These are just excuses. Even a beggar ,if he decides to make it big he will no mater what the histroy has been. Its the same for states.
RE:how regressive are you
by Kumar on Nov 22, 2006 12:49 PM Permalink
you expect us to learn Hindi but you are proud of Netaji who was anti-non Aryans. If you are real proud Indians, you would not be proud of Netaji and his legacy of supporting Hitler whose belief was a superior race. Why is it okay to support Netaji who would have discriminated all South Indians but not okay if we don't want to learn Hindi. Netaji should have been shot for his racist views. If you are proud Indians, you would believe the same too. Now you know why South Indians were scared of the union in 1940s, its because all the northies would have joined Netaji and discriminated us. Jai Kannada.
RE:how regressive are you
by Vishwa Manava on Nov 23, 2006 07:56 PM Permalink
It is sad that ppl like Kumar use someothers' identy (kannadiga) to show their idiocy. He can't be a Kannadiga since kannadigas have never identified themselves as non-Aryan.
RE:how regressive are you
by PUMA on Nov 14, 2006 05:34 PM Permalink
Hi! What do you want to say?
There exist good work ethic and a system that looks a not good over its surface.
Our own values and our hard work only have taken us to this stage and one day we\'ll get back our position in this world.
It was once, the today Bengal part of India consisted 25% of the World economy. Its very fact that some 10000(not thousand) business ships were sheltered in the seaport of kolkatta and now the story is different. We were great architects, shipbuilders at that time, some 1000s year before and its not imagination as you could think. I give you this from an volume of ancient script that also tells us of having a room with certain ht and wd keep the room conditioned, cool in summer and warm in winter. And to the most, I had lived for some time in such a housing. Ok.
RE:how regressive are you
by kumar on Nov 22, 2006 12:57 PM Permalink
dont say southies dont take part in independence. Your chandra bose was a aryan supramist who joined hitler and would have discriminated the rest of us South Indians. While more northies might have taken part in independence, there were also northies who were fighting for chandra bose who would have treated us second class citizens. No wonder southies wanted a different country, its because you guys are still not ashamed of chandra bose.
RE:how regressive are you
by Vishwa Manava on Nov 24, 2006 12:17 AM Permalink
to KUMAR, i've never heard slogan like Jai Kannada. It is either Jai Karnataka, Jai Kannadaambe, or Jai Kannadamma. You don't know anything about Karnataka. You are a fan of Periyar thats it.
RE:how regressive are you
by nagendra on Nov 30, 2006 11:58 PM Permalink
Look up yellapragada subba rao, CV raman, CV chandrasekhar, hargobind khorana, JC bose, Tagore, Ramanujam- few intellects and scientists of the 20th century.
Intellects of antiquity-aryabhatta, varahamihira, charaka, vishnusharma, kautilya, sushrutha, ramanuja to name a few.
India has always produced great intelletcts, north or south, east or west. I am not even talking about its great warriors yet.
Islam and british rule had subdued it for centuries during the middle ages and suppressed the free thinking which is essential for invention and discovery.
Though we are pulling ourselves down with cultural and communal infighting, there are still good people left there to make a mark in this century. Wait and watch.
RE:how regressive are you
by satish on Nov 20, 2006 10:25 AM Permalink
"Indians do not have a rich history of creativity, nor of entrepreneurship nor of scientific invention"??? Hey man, where you live? In Pakistan? Whole world knows our historical achievements in art, science, technology and literature. After the invasions began, those achievements were lost in the minds of the new generations and true to a British made history student you are grownup with an iferiority complex!!
