Historical data especially concerning the prosperity of Vijaynagar empire is nebulous. By portugese accounts, the revenues of the entire Vijaynagar empire were equal to the mughal province of Gujarat which explains why Sultanate of Gujarat could browbeat Bahamani sultanate which easily kept Vijaynagar down. It also explains why small kingdom of Orissa could fight Sultanate of Bengal on its northern frontier and Vijaynagar empire on its southern frontier at same time. Vijaynagar empire did play an important role in preserving our culture and added to its richness but its overall affect on Indian history is shadowy.
As for British imperialism and the affect of colonial droughts. Between 1841 and 1881, the population of Madras presidency doubled as it escaped major droughts(except 1877) and British policies increased the agriculture output esp series of canals (they would do the same for Punjab later on). Madras Presidency from 5.6% of India 's population in 1841 was in 1881, 12% of population. That also explains that similar percentages in medieval times would explain that the Vijayanagar empire 's effect was overall small of the whole Indian nation.
RE:The comments on affect of Christian imperialism
by Srikanth on Nov 21, 2006 10:11 AM Permalink
Madras presidency did not comprise just the ciy of Madras. It grew to include several neighouring regions (now Andhra Pradesh and parts of Karnataka)and that explains the rise in the population. Sometimes you guys miss the most basic points.
RE:Culture is the last word of rescue for hypocrates
by biz on Nov 14, 2006 02:41 PM Permalink
Get your facts right, trinath ... Kalinga was fighting successfully the invasions late into 15th-16th century. In kalinga, there was one maharaja who was taken away and converted into Islam, yet they fought in the name of the lord of kalinga insite of heavy odds. Then there was colonialism, so kalinga has been taken over by small scale mafias. Many muslims in orissa were not that radical either, though they overpowered many areas during mogul rule, there was a fight, thus some of them got familliarized into hindu culture. Some of them fought under a mogul warrior who was a hindu. These days some are pure muslims. By grace of god, kalinga woke up even though it was ravaged by muslims a couple of times. So please check your tounge when you say not so glorious.
Rediff being a national portal has thing for regionalistic articles . They tend to promote the regionalism in the people . I guess the people in rediff believe in that . This article is little to regionalistic . They are no numbers so what these people at rediff write . "South did not see any wars" The only war they know till now is partition of which they havent being a part of. thanks for enlightment on south doing well .South has casteism, regionalism and above all corruption which i guess everybody from south india indulge in . "Birds of same feather flock together "
RE:Regionalistic article
by vinay on Nov 23, 2006 01:46 AM Permalink
Well ur the first one who ever said that bengali, bodo are anti-national... iv never heard tht.. I hv heard some dumb ppl say tht abt s but never heard anyone say bengalis are anti-nationals, thats jus another story of ur own. And btw, i dont think s are anti-nationals, i believe they'r jus as patriotic and nationalists as any1 else in india. I read this somewhere else in the discussion too tht karnataka ppl arent as anti-north, and esp anti-hindi as ur making it seem, i totally agree with that. But yeah i do see the problem in other states of south, esp TN
RE:Regionalistic article
by cv on Nov 15, 2006 09:07 PM Permalink
Moral of the story: Naidu is regionalist, Lalu is nationalist. Praising Punjab, Rajasthan is not regionalist. Praising south is chuvanism. Hindi is nationalist language, southies, bengali, bodo are anti-national languages. * I wonder why Regionalism is much abused word in India. Regionalism exists everywhere. it exists at international level, national level, it exists within states, it exists among the districts, among the villages.
India has unity in DIVERSITY. This MAY be regionalistic article but NOT AT ALL chuvanistic.
hindi..wats wrong with it..??
by sai on Nov 24, 2006 03:26 AM Permalink
yyy on earth r u people fighting over hindi???????? People who think Hitler was racist are the real racist people(Americans especially)..anyways the south especially Tamil Nadu people who have always been proud about their language want to learn english but not hindi..they think the british people were their cousins who treated them as equal to the british thats the reason they now want to convert to christianity..hahaha.. wake up tamils look at where ur lives are going.Muslims kill and die for islam ..Tamils kill and die for Tamil(LTTE)
North Indians aint any better either ,they think they are the richest people in India and the descendants of the white british itself..
There is nothing wrong in learning Hindi ..its a language derived from sanskrit which will unite us Indians...Its time we realised wat is swadesi and wat is pardesi.
i like the way deve gowda has given importance to kannada...i think english should be eradicated from India and Hindi and the local language should only be taught in educational institutions..
Anyways i am from A.P and I speak hindi,telugu and english..
RE:Regionalistic article
by Rajesh on Nov 27, 2006 09:26 PM Permalink
Hey Guys, have a break. its has nothing to do with hindi or tamil. i think there is a major misconception that TN dont appreciate learning hindi. the fact of the matter is Tamil is a complicated and rich language. if children did not learn them from an early age its really tough to get it in your brains at a later stage.
i learnt tamil since my kindergarden to high school. from college i chose hindi and i had formal hindi classes for 2 years(its was much easy tahn tamil). now i am ready and raring with hindi. there are 1000000s of guys like ME in TN.
OK heres the deal, would anyone from the north indian states, enroll for a tamil lanugage course and speak, write tamil, how many would volunteer that in high school or in college? even though if its declared tamil is a national/official language!!
the guys in the south are DEFINITELY traditional but they are also tolerant,knowledgeable and they are Indians.
Get your facts right , I think you are under all false impressions, Banglore and Hyderbad since ages have been next in line after the 4 metroplexes , and its just the computer boom that has helped these 2 cities boom. Going back to traditions and culture which I beg to differ has no hand in this progress, if sometthing you have to be thankful to then its dollars and pounds and not kathak and bahart natyam as you mention in your article. First rather than making it south and north think of India as a whole country . Its people like you who create prejudice.
I myself am from the south and I agree that South India has had much more hunger to education than any other geographical part of the world. However, I don't really think that we have made it big, in using the education the right way, in the right areas. This article certainly gives me a "comfortable" feeling about India's growth but doesn't really remind anyone about the harsh realities.
Since the author of this column seems very distingusihed in his columnist skills, I feel it would be greatly appreciated if the articles are more focussed on what we ought to do rather than what we have achieved.
RE:Good article but lacs reality
by V S Chakravarthy on Nov 22, 2006 11:58 AM Permalink
Hello there who say Hindi is a national language,
There are 22 officially recognised languages of which Hindi is one of them. Further, Hindi and English are the Official Language of the state and that's it. In order to promote Hindi so that most of the countrymen can communicate in a common language a 3 language formula was formulated for all the states to follow which was as under - Upto 12th standard every child has to learn 3 languages . These were - The state language, English and Hindi ( for non hindi speaking states) or any other language ( for Hindi Speaking states). The national integration and acceptance of each others language and respect for the same was to be achieved by this formula. As usual the Northern States are worst offenders. They did not implement it while the southern states have implemented with true spirit. The agitations in TN against Hindi were Political and were only aimed at preventing Discrimination for not knowing Hindi. And what about the state of Hindi in the Northern BIMARU States itself. If you go to their interiors you need to know Bhojpuri, chattisgarhi, rajasthani, marwadi, gujrati, Haryanvi to survive. what do you say
RE:Good article but lacs reality
by vinay on Nov 23, 2006 01:37 AM Permalink
Well agreed on one point wid u, this is something i find very strange. If der's a pro-south article, it is assumed to be anti-north and vice versa
RE:Good article but lacs reality
by Dr Y N I Anand on Nov 24, 2006 09:27 PM Permalink
Why are we fighting against each other? I am from South, Mysore to be precise, did not know Hindi prior to 1972, but am fluent in Hindi & know Punjabi, Bengali and Tamil now. Whether anyone likes it or not, the fact is that Hindi is our National Language & everyone ought to learn it in their own interest. With Hindi in your pocket, you can tour the entire country rich in heritage & culture, save some part of Tamil Nadu. Even here they are learning Hindi (I lived in Madurai for 7 years & have interacted with several thousand people). I have lived in practically every part of India, from North East to North to West to South & am of the firm opinion that we NEED Hindi as a binding language, the beauty of Sanskrit not withstanding. Instead of fighting on silly points, why don't we appreciate the sweetness of Bengali language, warmth of Punjabies, Industriousness of Gujaraties, hard working nature of Tamilians & Biharies, Beauty of the North East (neglected thanks to the indifference of politicians), Simplicity of our hill tribes of the North and businesslike attitude of Maharashtrians? If there are good things about South, there are many about North/East/West too. Please stop fighting.
RE:Good article but lacs reality
by cv on Nov 16, 2006 04:15 PM Permalink
who hates hindi hearltland people. i wish to see them going back to glorious sanskrit and Golden Gupta era.
RE:Good article but lacs reality
by vinay on Nov 16, 2006 12:46 AM Permalink
Its really typical of people frm south to talk nonsence abt north indians and hindi. There are other states in the country which have regional languages too, like punjab, gujrat, bengal,, none of them has a problem with Hindi. Its only southie people who for some stupid reasons hate hindi. It seems north, east, west, and center of india are on one side, and south india on the other, and dey just hate the rest of india
Though the article is very interesting to read with several facts (which are mostly unknown for many), I personally don't like the point of bringing up the issue of south and north. I agree, India is a great country with unity in diversity and igniting this kind of south-north barriers would be no good. I guess, we aleady have enough dimentions of diversities to debate upon. Please, for gods sake, don't add anymore debates for idle to brains to ponder upon. But your articles are always good and I should agree that I never miss any of those on rediff. Keep the good work going, but no more provocations please. Prasad
RE:south india
by Gopal on Nov 21, 2006 11:56 AM Permalink
This CV fellow is such a disgrace to India. I though at least this fellow will talk in favor of Karnataka, but he talks about North Karnataka and South Karnataka. If Karnataka is to get separated, he is the one who will be responsible.
RE:south india
by cv on Nov 14, 2006 03:45 PM Permalink
The major difference is how we faced muslim invaders.
Mohd. Ghori's ancestors were hindus. but he later invaded north india. prithviraj foolishly pardoned him when he was caught.
But in south two youths (Hakka and Bukka) had been captured in their early teens by Malik Kafur when he invaded South India. They had been brought up as Muslims at Delhi and had been sent to the south to govern the rebellious provinces. But these two enterprising youths had different ideas. They had not forgotten who they originally were. They repudiated Islam and returned to their original faith. With the help of a sage named Vidyaranya, they established a powerful Hindu Kingdom at Hampi (called Vijaynagar). The most illustrious ruler of this line was Krishna Deva Raya who ruled from 1519 to 1535.
Then Vijayanagar inspired many to come including the greatest Shivaji. Another fact is that Karnataka is Shivaji's Karmabhoomi.
RE:south india
by vinay on Nov 15, 2006 03:53 AM Permalink
Well there's a reason we have a national language, it is expected to be known by every Indian, but forget about knowing it, some people dont even have any respect for the national language.
RE:south india
by cv on Nov 15, 2006 05:34 PM Permalink
now i think we better have a coaching class for hindis about holy book CONSTITUTION of india. what is our national language? hindi!! :)
i'm not against hindi. but against aggression in the name of hindi. (i thought aggressin can only be faced by aggression) i know what these hindi prachar samitis are doing in KA. in hindi prachara samiti ground black day was celebrated by few kannadigas on Rajyotsava for separate Hyd-Karnataka.
The south is doing better than the north, marginally, because of the lower population densities down there. The bottomline is, they're both not shining(!)
Gujarat is doing well economically too. Maharashtra was doing well. Just rate the statistics of Punjab, Gujarat, Maharashtra and the South. Gujarat and Maharashtra are unsurpassed industrially; Maharashtra's second largest city (Pune) is neck and neck with Bangalore - even climatically(!).
And everybody knows how congested Bangalore is. If you're tyring to tell me that hell-hole (with those eternally grid-locked roads and call centers with american accented young people) is the future of India, then we're in for a rough ride!
As a matter of fact, India is doing uniformly well (or badly), except for BI-MA-R-U and its derivatives - and the North-East, which fare far worse. BI-Ma-R-U for the lack of per capita resources and the North-East due to geographic isolation and illegal immigration.
Kerala is stagnant; it gets all its money from the gulf. Andhra farmers under Naidu were commiting suicide like never before. And our man almost built a F1 track. Great going.
RE:Wrong analysis!
by cv on Nov 18, 2006 06:22 PM Permalink
Yeah nn, Do you know Malysian Tamils contributed a lot to INA of Netaji. They were present out of proportion there.
RE:Wrong analysis!
by cv on Nov 15, 2006 04:59 PM Permalink
who eats dirty bisibelebath. i'm north kannadiga (MORE OVER INDIAN if i don't mention it you will fire at me)
RE:Wrong analysis!
by Sudee on Nov 20, 2006 02:04 PM Permalink
CV, You are big disgrace to our country man ! I havent seen even a single tamilian initiating a fight between kannadigas and tamilians. But its always people like you. My native is Karnataka and I was brought up in TN. People like me know what its exact diff between these two and its nothing but BIG KANNADIGA EGO. You always try to drag your fight no matter what ever the topic is. Shame on you !
RE:Wrong analysis!
by vaempuli on Nov 21, 2006 09:50 AM Permalink
Dear CV,
First and foremost, your sweeping observation about contribution of Tamils to freedom struggle. For your info, C.Rajagopalachari, known as Rajaji was a Tamil. Lakshmi Sehgal of INA was born Lakshmi Iyer. Many Tamils were a part of INA of Bose and Muthuramalinga Thevar was a close aide of Bose and leader of Forward Block.
For your Information, this chap Periyar, E.V.Ramaswamy Naicker, was an ethnic kannadiga. You cannot dispute that.
RE:Wrong analysis!
by dharma on Nov 14, 2006 06:53 PM Permalink
cv, Freedom fighters list in tamilnadu. chidambaram pillai, barathiyar,muthuramalinga thevar,kattabomman,rani mangammal,pulithevan..list goes on... periyar main reason for prevaialance of dravidian languages..otherwise they also would have died like other languages... vellore sepoy riot paved way for freedom struglle.. learn history and then speak... strange theory..if any politician do it for mumbai and delhi ..it is for national intrest ..and if anybody does it for chennai it is for regional intrest??what a pseudo democratic indian values of u all!!!
RE:Wrong analysis!
by cv on Nov 15, 2006 05:06 PM Permalink
Thnak you very much Dharma. But I have never heard Tamils hailing them. Thier hero is Periyar who asked M.Zinna for Separate stupid Dravidstan.
@sunil
by karl on Nov 14, 2006 04:43 PM Permalink
few years back My uncle was tranferred to Varanasi from Vijayawada on promotion. Since first day, struggles started for him, there was no help from others in the bank as my uncle is from south. being able to speak english, they kept on speaking Hindi wtih my uncle. I dont say he didnt know hindi. but he was not comfortable with it. what do u say for this?
RE:Wrong analysis!
by nn on Nov 16, 2006 06:57 PM Permalink
Dear cv yes I agree with u on some aspects but let us not forget the presence of the Brave Thumbi Regiment which came with the English to rid of Tipu to make you "peaceful" kannadiga a happy and "rich" man. Madras Sappers, the Madras Engineering Group has completed 225 years in Bangalore and is firmly in place in Ulsoor.They have lent support everywhere in the world.
Why could you Kannadigas not form something to come close to that honoured regiment, in 225 years, other than fighting with every neighbour, including your own be it Coorg or Uttara Kannada. Irli bidi, solpa adjust maadi - the new tower on Hudson Circle is a very wrong thing, an aberration, that was the right place for a massive subway, like Churchgate, to ease congestion. Is this what Visvewarayya desired?
If you see the subway of "Little India Station" at Singapore you will understand, how that government has honoured Indian history and motifs-for posterity -forever in stone. Kempegowda made human sized towers. All our politicians, mayors and their meanderings abroad have not brought back an iota of the goodness what is thought of India as a whole.Good wishes Indian
Hey CV
by stupid_kannadiga on Nov 23, 2006 09:37 PM Permalink
Hey CV, You are a BIG disgrace to kannadigas ..Your parents must be ashamed to have a son like you.
Just come out of your professed obsession for Hindi and rubbishing the growth in south just because of white collared jobs and making a comment that there is lack of enterprenuership in South. Update yourself abouth the groth of economy in India. North was bestowed with large quantities of natural resources whether it is a very furile lands under the plains of Ganges, Sutlej, Ravi, Beas, Yamuna, etc, or huge minerals and coal deposits. The entreprenuership we are talking of from the northen part of India is of those large Industrial Houses which had managed at Delhi in the Licence Raj to stifle competetion and with all support of the political system. The enterpreneurship remained at that level. While South inspite of its natural disadvantages and the vagaries of nature in the globalised era had been able to notch up growth due to enterpreneurship by a large number of people in the Service and Engineering Industry not just competing within the country but globally as well. I had worked in north south and in east and I can say that it easier to survive in south even if you do not know the local language as 3 language formula is implemented here
RE:Wrong analysis!
by Sunil on Nov 14, 2006 03:28 PM Permalink
vii) The 'SIR' (South Indian -------) culture is still carried by these states from British Servants.
viii) In even MAURITIUS, they are seperate from other Indians because they speak only English and Tamil and not Hindi(very popular in MAURITIUS).
RE:Wrong analysis!
by cv on Nov 15, 2006 05:14 PM Permalink
somedays back i read on rediff stating something like :"thanks now karnataka is being saffronised. otherwise..."
when i post saffronised views i get such replies. i don't care.
iv>> Shying away from the freedom struggle, external agressions , 1857 mutiny , Indias border disputes, lack of participation in defence forces all add to a low risk and high returns enviornment , so leads to condition of reaping benifits of freedom without having to pay the price for it. v>> Only persuing Paid Jobs , Service and white colared jobs and totally disregarding Trade , Bussiness, Entrepreneurial spirit gives the image that of a middle claases with stable jobs but the image is blurred because its totally dependent on ones cost effectiveness. Once that is matched it looses it value. So you get good managers and workers and manupulators but no good Leaders or visonarys. vi>> Lately and most important is the Individuals who cry hoarse for the souther states then be it Chandrababu Naidu or Murasoli Maran or Dayanidhi Maran or Jayalalitha or Devegowda or P Chidambaram or Karunanidhi or MG Ramachandran or be it the countless high ranking beurocrats and officials in Govt service , or be it several of top ranking executives and Managers in MNC's , all act with a regional focus than a National Focus where the regional focus is many times more than vissible in their actions.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 2)
by ashish on Nov 23, 2006 01:29 AM Permalink
Well Naveen, u say northies come up wid facts of their own and then u say only 5-6 states speak hindi?? how ironical. U need to get ur facts right too, apart frm the 5-6 states u knw, there\'s bengal, gujrat, punjab, orrisa, Himachal Pradesh, J&K, Maharashtra... all these dtates apart from HP have their regional languages and speak and respect hindi too. Even in north eastern hindi is spoken, and nobody forces them to do so. I dont think forcing a labguage will ever work, thats another thing u need to understand. U dont like hindi, dont respect it, no problem, there r lots (not all, and very few in karnataka) of such ppl in south who jus hate hindi and rest of india for some reasons. No one forces u, and no one can force u to speak hindi, u like it or not is upto u.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 2)
by aa on Nov 14, 2006 08:37 PM Permalink
CV, u seem to be one of those who jus like to call yourself a kanadiga, and not an Indian. And FYI, you or me cannot change the fact that hindi is the national language, even if you dont like to speak it, atleast dont disrespect it.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 2)
by Navin on Nov 21, 2006 09:50 AM Permalink
Typical North Indian cribbing....Thats the biggest problem with most (not all) North Indians. They live in a fantasy world of their own, where they reign supreme and lord it over the rest of the world(That's right; lording it over India alone is not enuff !!). And whenever they are given a dose of reality, they come up with some innnovative(but fake) conspiracy theories against them. Dude, wake up & smell the coffee (oops!, chai...Northies prefer chai right?)The autghor is right in saying that due to contnuous conflict the North could not give too much attention to education..But, the solution to that certainly doesn't lie in manufacturing a reality that suits ur fantasies...First step is to accept that there's a problem and then sincerely work to remedy it... And a small suggestion; it wud help u enormously if u give that notorious Nort Indian arrogance and domineering attitude. And to thik that Hindi is a national language (in the actual sense) is a huge fallacy; only 5-6 states out of 30 states speak Hindi and it's variants...So, that means 20% of the population is trying to impose it's language on the reamaining 80% of the population..Pure domineering attitude!!
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 2)
by Balaji on Nov 14, 2006 07:43 PM Permalink
hello mr.cv..dont speak with out knowing the history,
The first war against British happened in a small district called vellore in tamil nadu...that was the first attack in Indian history against a British. If u want to tell abt your state then speak abt ur state only...first read the history carefully........
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 2)
by Aditya Datar on Nov 20, 2006 10:48 PM Permalink
Thats exactly the problem with South Indians, They tend to view whole the country in just 2 directions, to them anyone who is NORTH of South India is a Northee..! So by that logic anyone to them from Maharashtra ,Gujrath, Goa, Orissa , West Bengal, Assam, Sikkim, North East ...is a North Indian...when infact none of thease states have the official language as "Hindi" , and have their own REGIONAL languages (namely Marathi,Gujrathi,Konkani,Tulu, Bengali,Oriya,Assami, etc..).
So the statement "You North Indians" and "UP walaas" and "Delhiwallas" is not even applicable to 2/3rds of the country. Besides I am from Maharashtra...which lies in the WESTERN Part of India and you guys actually call us North Indians..thats really funny.......!!!
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 2)
by cv on Nov 14, 2006 03:35 PM Permalink
also hell with tamils. they had least contribution in freedom struggle. but do you know first recognised freedom struggle was fought by MAHARANI KITTUR CHENNAMMA, a kannadati. it was bcoz we believed in freedom fighting congress that we lost many kannada speaking areas to neighbours. these congressmen were slaves of hindi high command.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 2)
by cv on Nov 15, 2006 05:11 PM Permalink
when people from Bihar call themselves as Bihari it is not a sin. If I call my self kannadiga it is against nation interest!
kannadiagas die for BHARATAVARSHA. But I thought this was not the topic here.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 2)
by Aditya Datar on Nov 22, 2006 08:55 PM Permalink
Thats exactly the problem with South Indians, they tend to view the whole country in just 2 directions , to them anyone who is NORTH of South India is a Northee..! And resultantly tend to classify the entire country in just 2 groups "South India" and every body else in "rest of India" as "North Indians". So by that logic anyone to them from Maharashtra ,Gujrath, Goa, Orissa , West Bengal,Assam,Sikkim, North East ...is a North Indian...when infact none of thease states have the official language as Hindi , and have their own REGIONAL languages (namely Marathi,Gujrathi,Konkani,Tulu, Bengali,Oriya,Assami, etc..).
So the statement "You North Indians" and "UP walaas" and "Delhiwallas" is not even applicable to 2/3rds of the country. Besides I am from Maharashtra...which lies in the WESTERN Part of India and you guys actually call us North Indians..thats really funny.......!
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 2)
by R Sriram on Nov 19, 2006 11:39 PM Permalink
Are you crazy Aditya Dattar? Where from are you imaging things? Tamilians are most famous for shunning fellow tamilians in offices and you talk of a bias. Chidambaram is the finance minister only now. For 42 years the group from UP were weilding the power at the centre. What do you say about that. Just cut it out man. There is no need to feel jealous about the whole thing. The North has its own advantages - as you have already mentioned - the Entrepreneurial spirit is something which cannot be matched by the South. It will be a big surprise if a TATA or Birla or Ambani rises from the south. About freedome struggle - thats the mistake of the Hindi wallahs that they have completely ignored the contribution of the south to the freedom struggle - you better learn history and then comment on that. Read about the struggles in Vedaranyam, learn about Kattabomman, Tipu Sultan. Study the region wise composition of the Azad Hind Fauj (a majority were South Indians), prisoner's list in Cellular jail (Kala Pani). Read all this and then comment. Do not let jealousy cloud your judgement. Every part of India has its own advantages and disadvantages. Jai Hind
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 2)
by cv on Nov 15, 2006 05:22 PM Permalink
mutineers in Vellore planned to bring back the sons of Tippu Sultan to power
what a hell. if i was regionalist i would have said that first freedom fight was fought by Tippu.
but it would be disaster if Tippu like people are called nationalist.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 2)
by Anil on Nov 14, 2006 07:47 PM Permalink
This is not a fight of language supremacy but matter of having a common protocol amongst vast India that includes non-english speaking masses. The most important reason for which south India is prospering is IT and in IT the most popular and widely used applications are the ones that cling to common protocol of information exchange. If mere IT needs a common protocol of communication, the whats wrong in having a common indian protocol of communication between people(including a vast majority of non-english speaking Indians accross south and north India). What is wrong if that is Hindi? What else could it be if a good majority of India speaks hindi despite hindi not being mother tongue of majority of Indians? On the lines of the author of this article about clinging to traditions and culture, is it not wise to speak a common Indian language for having cross cultural communication? or should people wait till entire India speaks english? What culture are we talking about when educated people depict regional fanaticism while their state politicians who made them anti-hindi and now want to play in bigger waters are out there appeasing masses that don't speak the respective reg. lang.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 2)
by cv on Nov 14, 2006 04:07 PM Permalink
what ever you have said is right about Tamilnadu. but what about kerala, karnataka, andhra?
situation has came in KA even for small request we have to call for Band.
Dilliwale unche swar me hi sunate hai. (sanskrit me bola to aap samajenge nahi.)
The self declared English speaking southern states may cry hoarse on rooftops that its the rise of the south but behind that hullaboo lie in 6 real reasons.
i>> Blackmail politics of southern regional parties to bargain for concessions and projects in exchange for parties support at the center, prime egs> AIADMK ,DMK and TDP or Chandrababu Naidu , Jailalitha and Karunanidhi with the antics of support and withdrawl against special packages for states.
ii>>Biased and Partial attitude of South Indian Managers and Bosses in private and public sectors in pulling up and going to all extents to get in as many people in a organisition from those states.
iii>Chasing and supporting the English Language and opposition to a national language like Hindi thereby creating the south Indian masses of English speaking pseudo ellite at the cost of national spirit and integration. eg> Japan , Germany , France and Korea are all developed Countries with their own national Languages.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 1)
by sourabh on Nov 18, 2006 11:31 AM Permalink
CV, I challenge you one thing, If you continue saying "Hell with your Hindi" the guys from north will take away your home and you will be left without your home and family, All you assets wil be acquired. You will not be able to defend yourself for even day. Start practising begging.You can do anything else.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 1)
by cv on Nov 14, 2006 03:37 PM Permalink
what an ignorance. all 22 oficially recognised languages are india's national languages.
hindi and english are language of union of india. not national languages.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 1)
by amit on Nov 21, 2006 04:56 AM Permalink
Well, thats another notion u have, u think that everyone in karnataka knows sanskrit, they dont, its only in north karnataka where ppl know sanskrit, and they know hindi as well. In the rest of the state, lot of ppl know hindi, but very few of them know sanskrit, so stop pretending as if the situation wdnt have been as bad if sanskrit was spoken by outsider. You'r jus trying to justify ur anti-north or anti-rest of india sentiments. And ill again say, the situation in karnataka is not as bad as ur making it seem, its just u who seem to be hating northies, and hindi. I have a lot of kanada frnds here, all know and respect hindi, and im learning kanadda frm them too. We just need to respect each other's cultures, thats all it takes, but dont think u wd understand tht.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 1)
by cv on Nov 14, 2006 03:31 PM Permalink
Hell with your hindi. learn sanskrit and speak. otherwise english is enough for us.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 1)
by cv on Nov 14, 2006 03:51 PM Permalink
it was foolish communist nehru who failed to recognise that sanskrit was only language which can bind india together.
but time is lost. now sanskrit can't be india's only national language thanx to invasion thru conversion in north east.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 1)
by Vishwa Manava on Nov 23, 2006 07:58 PM Permalink
cv is either Brahmana or he has attented RSS conducting spoken sanskrit 10-day course.
RE:The Undoccumented Real Reasons for the percived rise of South (Part 1)
by cv on Nov 18, 2006 06:20 PM Permalink
Sourabh, you don't understand chatting. The words like hell, BS are common. You can call me a crazy man.
