well, we are happy that, south is doing very good. After all, its progress of India. Its proud for each Indian about south progress.
But, rajiv, can u do one thing ? can u improve ENGLISH of the southerns. Why they use H behind most of all the words ? i. e. in place of ajanta they write AJANTHA, in place of sujata, they write, SUJHATHA. in place of balaji, they use BAALAAJII or BAALAAJEE. etc. there are somany examples, why they dont use correct english ? OR in schools, it is educated like that ? Any way, we are proud of south progress, but we hate this SOUTH SINGLISH.
RE:south SINGLISH
by shankar on Nov 14, 2006 08:29 PM Permalink
Sandip
madarasi peopel have this problem. what happens ki they tend to mix their mothertongue when they speak English. unlike north indians who speak engliss matlab angrejee very freely, madarasi logon ko utna freely nahi aata. shayad they have lot of mother tongue influence.
RE:south SINGLISH
by Sumanth on Nov 15, 2006 02:56 PM Permalink
Oh comeon Sandeep. Don't be a kid. By the way, i need to correct your English (Should i say Ninglish :-)). The spelling of the name of a person is not fixed and this is an acceptable thing both in U.S aswell as in U.K English. For example, Mark is sometimes spelt as Marc. Also, it's not written at any recognised place (Oxford or webster's Dictionary) that the spelling of Sujatha (yes, i'm a south Indian) is wrong.
Let me also explain a reasoning behind this. There are 2 sounds here 1)th:- as in Sou'th', Nor'th', 'Th'orium, 'Th'row. 2)t :- as in 'T'asmania, Complica't'e, 'T'oma't'o, 'T'elegram.
It's up to you to decide which sound is more appropriate for Sujatha.
Moral:- Blame the language (English) for having such inconsistencies and not Indians (forget South/North).
RE:south SINGLISH
by sagar on Nov 14, 2006 08:55 PM Permalink
sandeep anna. Namasthe.
Ajanta, Balaji and Sujatha are not English words. One cant find them in any dictonary. They can be spelled depending on the accent of a particular region. Hope u got me Luv u Sagar
RE:south SINGLISH
by karl on Nov 15, 2006 11:25 AM Permalink
hi sandip,
before blaming Southern English, first u must how great is ur hindi. i thin u know the theory "with number of pixels in unit area increases, clarity of screen increases" If u are an Art Student i cant help.
anyway coming to number of letters(vovels and consonents) in southern states are 56+. where hindi has less than 56 if im not wrong. with these many letter, we can speak lot many sound which u can not. Sankrit is the root of language. refer to it. it has lots of sounds which u can not speak.
for example take the words "Hruthik", "hrushikesh", "krushna" , "rushi" in sanskrit. there is special vowel "ru" in saskrit and southern languages.we speak them as they are. but u ppl can not speak that. instead u write "hrithik","hrishikesh","krishan" and "rishi" and u speak "rithik","rishikesh", "kishan","karan(karna)"...
i dont know why u cut the "a" sound in "megh'a'na","'h'ar'a'thi". im sure u call these "meghna","arthi".
i hope ur doubts are cleared now. so dont criticise southern language & sanskrit
Rediff is a well liked website both in India and abroad. Therefore it pains even more when Rediff publishes articles like the one by Mr Rajiv Srinivasan. It is the opinion of a Hindu Nationalist (that's what his blog says) - its very close to bordering on fanaticism. If sensational stories are all what you need to make Rediff popular, why don't you let jihadists from Kashmir write articles on your website. Such articles - because they cite unverified sources and personal opinions tend to mislead people into thinking that its all true just because it was published by Rediff.
RE:Rediff! please stop publishing such stories
by julia on Nov 16, 2006 06:49 PM Permalink
Raghav, Apparently only "Hindu nationalists" earn your wrath. "Chinese nationalists" such as N Ram, Sitaram Yechuri will be seen falling over themselves welcoming the Chinese PM this weekend. I trust that you have no objection to them? Why aren't you crying for, on this very website, curbing the likes of Praful Bidwai and Dilip D'Souza, who are Chinese nationalists? The obvious answer is that you are a hypocrite and a bigot.
If this piece was a personal opinion, then of course Mr Srinivasan has every right to express it. But if it was meant as an analysis, it was very poorly researched. 1- North India and South India are doing equally well (or badly!) In North India the exception are the BiMaRU states and in the south there is the naxal belt, Telangana & Rayalaseema which rank poorly in terms of the usual development indices. 2- If it was a lack of continual warfare that has enabled the south to leap ahead in development terms, why did the same thing not happen with the north east? After all, the Renaissance period in Europe which saw the flowering of many arts and sciences, is also replete with warfare among the city states. 3- It is unpatriotic to blame the Mohammedan influence for the lack of development in the north. The author would do well to remember that Islam has had some good influence on India's culture and adds to our diversity.
Indian development is skewed not on north & South divide...but actually a East of Kanpur vs West of Kanpur divide. The north of Kanpur now is Naxal area, WB, Bihar, Chatisghar, and the North-east almost forgoten states.
The auther cannot explain how Punjab is faring well inspite taking the biggest beating in history of man-kind. NOT ROMAN empire,NOT Chinies, Persians nor Jewes could stop the invaders as effectively as the Punjabis, Rajputs have done. Even then Punjab, hariyana & to some extent desert Rajasthan is prosperous. HOW ? Its perhaps now totally programmed in their blood to fight and still be prosperous !!
Some one pointed out that South did not participate in freedom struggle...that's wrong. Even before 1857, Tippu fought the Colonial rulers.....Its the rot that started in WB due to some stupid rulers their.
But guess large defense development in south is now helping the IT industry.
Also M. Visveswariah's contribution cannot be understimated....look how long the Sardar dam is taking....
RE:Wrong conclusion
by ashish on Nov 16, 2006 09:01 AM Permalink
Well said dude, nice to see someone talking like an Indian, and not a north or south indian. thanks
I agree with rajiv...I hope South will continue its traditions and culture. But recently I have found Bangalore is being tranformed to a Mumbai by north-indians(esp girls) wearing skimpy clothes. But they say its civilization... i know i will get replies saying it so. ;)
If the reason for the 'souths' edge over the 'north' is cultural continuity why it becoming apparent only now ? Why is Hyderabad and Bangalore popping their heads now ? If indeed the reason for the edge is the so called cultural continutity then the south should have had a big lead by now.
it is very sad that northerns let the greatest language Sanskrit to die and speak in a language where you have to know whether a stone is male or female.
Sanskrit is spoken natively by the population in Mattur village in central Karnataka. Inhabitants of all castes learn Sanskrit starting in childhood and converse in the language. Even the local Muslims speak and converse in Sanskrit. Historically, the village was given by king Krishnadevaraya of the Vijayanagara Empire to Vedic scholars and their families. KANNADIGAS CHEERZ.
RE:what about north
by vini on Nov 16, 2006 08:56 AM Permalink
i think north indians need to earn to live with the fact that southies are self obsessed, hindi-haters, hindustan haters. And regd development, Sri, can u name one south stae which can be called "developed" state. In the rest of india, there are punjab, haryana, which are already develped, whereas gujrat is very close. All souths got is bangalore, chennai, hyderabad.
RE:what about north
by cv on Nov 16, 2006 07:10 PM Permalink
see how these anti-sanskrit hindis refer to our Bharat- Hindosta hamara, that is how you pronounce.
calling our glorious nation by Persian pronounciation. go to arabia and learn few more words like these bullshit.
RE:what about north
by vini on Nov 26, 2006 08:58 AM Permalink
oh i think CV has a problem wid anything that has the word "hind" in it, be it hindi or hindustan. If i call my country hindustan, i need to be sent to arabia, and if i talk crap abt hindi, then i guess i should be sent to south, ill find gr8 company der if i tak bullshit abt hindi and hindustan
Hindi can never be national language. I am sorry we are doing well it is a fact. It is south where parties fight based on good governance unlike hindi belt. You guys need not look down upon us which I have seen often. Nobody is inferior to you creatures
Mumbai has lost its place to Bangalore. And one reason is bad politics. I know the Mumbai of 80s.It was the undisputed top city in India. Today it is among the B-grade cities.Ask any Mumbaiite born in before 1980.He can easily spot the difference
I was expecting some resons. Somethng like governance,some process in the family,importance to education and things like that and I got some history lesson from Rajiv.
