you have put forward a passionate but logically flawed argument for the sake of reservations.. you must be clear on what you want in these instituions that you speak of.. take IIT for example..it is a place of technical excellence...the most important virtue of a person who comes through those gates is their technical knwoledge..in your words : how good a dam can he build. as opposed to his ability to deal with the people who have been displaced by it..because that is the job of the civil servant beuraucat.
besides i dont think the debate is on reservations as a whole..i think the debate is how much are you willing to reserve...half the seats seems as a disproportionate amount of seats to block for the sake of representation.
Sentiments dont work in the face of facts. Reservation has been the bane of India since 1947. It might have been the necessity at that time but still it doesnt gives any one the authority to claim it as a right. Even the constution envisaged reservations only for 10 years. Subsequent governments have been extending them on one pretext or other. I am not in the favour of dividing Indian population as General/OBC/SC/ST. Let the competent persons come to fore. It is a fact that there are persons belonging to OBC/SC/ST who have not claimed any benefits of there status yet they have performed better than so called Sawarn Castes. In his article the author has cited instance of OBC/SC/ST students out shining general castes students. This example alone is sufficient to make a case against reservation. Reservation is just a tool for politicians to garner votes. I appeal to all citizens of India to rise above quotas. Enough damage has already been done. Stop being spoon fed. Now stand on ur own feet and work hard to earn ur dignified place. If necessary, let qoutas be for all economically deprived people and not for some castes. Please cast ur vote judiciously to have ur voice heard.
Very good topic has been raised for discussion... I have few points to make..
1.i am doing my M Tech @ IITKGP....here once a Prof. commented over efficiency of IITs as " once Lincoln said -'you can not make fool everyone all the time'....but IITs are doing that..."
I also have observed that IITs serve the nation of ours only 25% of their capabilities...B.Tech guys here (more than 70%) loose interest in serious core studies just after one or two years....mostly try to go abroad...who cares about the country & its problems.....
Moreover, IITs & their facilities make IITians not that they are already Bond 007....when guys enter IITs they are all more or less at the same level...leaving aside some special cases...
The reason lies in the higher economic background many times they have...& consequently they are not aware of the basic flavour of the country...I am sure statistics of Brain Drain 'll surely improve after Reservation comes into effct...
I can clearly see--Reservation is not going to affect quality as is supposed and spread in Propaganda politics...
all this points are valid only if there is entry and exit from the reservation system.but seeing the creamy layer of the backward classes who are very much at same level as others take away all benefits and not the really needy tribal this is the main cause of intolerance against reservations.
It has become an interesting thing these to talk of diversity...diversity is good...but when diversity becomes majority it becomes Chaos...diversity addds flavor to an environment...its is not meant to be the environment. Any system based on reservations cannot take us to the path of a globally competitive economy. Even if true India lies in its rural villages doesnt mean quality has to be compromised. If merit does not prevail, let our elected MP's denounce their status based on merit (max votes) and make way for the second best (lost candidates).
Traditional medicine and medicinal tradition?!?! The author seems to be slightly confused about merit and reservations. Will reservations help connect these institutions to INDIA? We are leading for yet another brain drain season; more with reservations in private sector too. God save the country. - Who is John Galt?
RE:Reservation: Developing vision
by kavithareddy on Jun 01, 2006 02:55 PM Permalink
i completely agree with mahanty.
the issue plaguing india isnt about lack of enough IIt'ians or AIIMians or the other prestigious centres of learning.
children lack basic education,facilities and enough food.the goverment has to put in efforts to provide quality education till they reach their prime and leave 'em into the competetitive arena.
what is the govt trying to protect??there wasnt any integrated programme to tackle population problem.successive govt's changed plans without considering the effect on the slowdown of the progress( if any).and now,50 yrs hence,we are still having the issue.
does the govt intend to go on providing reservations without a core programme jus to improve their vote banks??if thats the case someday thr wud b 100% res...
i dont agree with everything Tarun has said.indians are habituated to use quick-fixes rather than trying to find the root cause of the problem.if it doesnt work we move shamelessly to another policy...
we are discussing.can we do something 'bout it??can we??
RE:Reservation: Developing vision
by subhra on May 23, 2006 12:48 PM Permalink
Let John Galt come in now . We need Dagnar and Francisco too. Being a big fan of Dr. Manmohan Singh, it's such a pain to see him become so spineless in the face of cast politics and justify the unjustifiable . Such a pain seeing the -ve side of Atlas shrugged amputating our great nation.
I think Tarun has raised a few of very fundamental issues. You can not expect the crippled one to compete with the best racer trained by best of methods. the representation of the dalit community is negligible who may be more sensitive to the issues. But does the present reservation serve the intended purpose. the fact remains in every sphere of life be it epidemic or disaster the ones who die/suffer will be poors and the relief which comes go to the richer ones. this is true for reservation...the reservation is actually going to the elite class who were fortunate to born in backward classes. do you think the kids of those born to politicians, ministers, chief ministers (even president of this country...daughter of KR Narayanan availed reservation benefits), IAS, doctors, engineers are anyway disadvantaged..they have born with and enjoyed equal opportunity...and they still avail reservation..is this not insensitivity to their own community they hail from. expecting that they will be any different from othet classes is just unrealistic.
RE: RESERVATION IS SOCIAL INJUSTICE.
by J.N.Mahanty on May 25, 2006 09:44 AM Permalink
The article does not seem to be a product of good research.
Reservation in our country has benefitted the elites of SC/ST and not the common man.
the author shd visit the poorest and most backward ditricts of the Country. These are Kalahandi, Bastar, Kanker, Koraput, Balangir, etc where more than 90% people belong to SC and ST categories.
Even after abt 60 years of Reservation, the literacy rate is the lowest in these districts. Starvation deaths, mother selling baby to get a meal, bonded labour and slavery are rampant in these districts.
These are the real people who are handicapped in the modern society and what has been done to uplift these poor souls?
These people do not need quota to join IITs, IIMs, NITs, AIIMS, etc. They need Model Schools/ ITIs where they can get quality education, hostel acco,health care, etc free of charge , to enable them to join the Main Stream with Pride.
These basic facilities are denied to these people.
On the other hand, how do you justify Social Justice, when the Son of SC Minister/SC MP gets into a top institute with 45% marks while the son of the Secretary( PA/PS) to the same MP, is denied admission even with 80% marks.
You don't have any worry, regarding the admission of your children, so keep writing this garbage. Have you seen the hard work put up by kids who aspire to join IITs/ AIIMS/ IIMs? They would be working day & night for years, at an age where the quota children would be playing & find that people who have worked far less are inside the institutes & they are out? There's a lot of talk of real India. Real India is not just villages which people like you claim. People like us living in cities too are very much part of it. Inspite of agriculture not growing, India is still growing at 8% says a lot about the 'unreal India'. Give me a choice whether I want adivasi medicine or to be treated by a quota doctor. Next time I plan to use the RTI act to find out which doctors are quota doctors & avoid them like plague. So much for social justice.
