what thease people want to say , are OBCs not a hard working people ,they do'nt strive for better life?establishment always promote black sheep and thease people are traiter among OBCs.they are beating drums for brahmin - banias cause. indidual may raise their lavel but reservation is concernernd with social group not with some individual.thease so called OBCs are thug who simply want to be appreciated by upper caste.
"you will be a miserable misfit in the intellectually and socially elite IIT atmosphere. " It is inflated ego or lack of self respect. What does he mean by socially elite ? Does it mean that only rich and elite class apply. I am in the US, and I have never seen any American University or any American cooperation telling people who are not socially elite will be misfit here. This shows that M S Gopinathan has not come out of this feudalistic mindset.
RE:INDIA-India Never Develops in Anything(Acronym)
by sgpal on Jun 15, 2006 04:52 PM Permalink
Mr Devdas please have confidence,self respect and work harder.Your statement says it all.All OBCs and scs and sts inferior?? is that what you are saying? I may accept your back handed compliments about all Fcs being superior.How ever there people from your own bc and scs and sts who are willing to slit the throat of any upper caste fellows who says the same.Dont be stupid,Just because you need the crutch, does not mean every sc/st/obc needs that.
You should advice the Upper Castes to atone for the most humiliating discrimination heaped on the lower castes for several millenia. Asking the OBCs to throw away the crutches is like asking a handicapped person to throw away his wheel chair!OBCs have to run much faster than the Upper caste members to keep in pace with them(Upper castes)as, at every stage they face discrimination from the Upper caste mafiosi.
I am glad that people are now suddenly empathised about the lack of schools in villages. Lets first do that and empower the uneducated, and THEN the crutches will not be needed.
Your reference to "Canada does not ask me my caste etc" only goes to show your simplistic view of the Indian situation. India is filled with middle-class mindset, that just does not want to address the complicated problem of caste-system, but is very much interested in hiding it by wishing that the govt did not ask for their caste. Your article seem to share the same mindset.
RE:Throw away the demeaning crutches offered ?
by Sanjaya on Jun 12, 2006 01:22 PM Permalink
I do not understand the relationship between caste system and reservation in govt. jobs. If somebody ill-treats somebody on the basis of caste, it should be made a punishable offence. He should be punished according to law. But why reservation in jobs ?
It is surprising that people from so called backward castes are still not accepting the exhortions to avail all the educational benefits from govt. and compete in general category. Perhaps they have become used to charity and do not want the charity to go away. Initially the framers of constitution had kept the provision for 10 years based on need, but now it has turned into greed.
It is also saddening to see these people referring to themselves as people from lower castes repeatedly. There are different castes. Why some self respecting person should tell himself that I am from a lower caste ?
You say "They[OBCs] should throw away the demeaning crutches offered" after having won a lottery in your childhood days (in the form of a great science teacher who ignited your interest) You mention about the fortunate circumstances and influences that had paved your success.
Ignition can happen anytime in school(even after 12th std), for students who were just below the cream (We can look at the improvement exams). And these students are not brain-dead and they can indeed catch up, if given an opportunity.
I think we should not believe in lottery/luck, but should believe in systematic support from the State (which is termed as crutches) I dont dispute the question of where to draw the line (what % of reservations would be disastrous etc) and I am aware of the problems with reservations. But you don't seem to be addressing the size/nature of the crutch, but you want everyone to throw them away! You must be kidding. Wait, no. You have the support of atleast 200 elites in rediff. You must be correct.
Well I am not a glaring advocate of reservation, but I do strongly believe in extending help to socially and economically bckward. If this were not the case by virtue of superiority and dominance the western countries could capture most of the third world countries and enslave them. Imagine if India continued to be enslaved by British instead of getting freedom. We would still be backward(probably??) and not many Indians would have got an opportunity to reach their zenith in their career and life. In short Western nations are reserving land and resources for the underdeveloped nations and let them grow at their pace. This same reasoning extends to reservation policies in India. Socially and economically backward people cannot grow without reservations. Prof Gopinathan's view that using crutches and charity is below dignity is irrational for the same reason that third world and weak countries are let live by stronger nations. I do maintain that reservations at the premier institutions like IITs are hinderance to maintaining them as centers of execellence and learning. With so many engineering and medical colleges around these premier institutions should be spared.
