Few of them are in Pakistan and Bangaladesh thanking Gandhi and Nehru.The balance are in India awaiting when they attain the same status under the able leadership of Sonia and the congress. skj
The article is very well written.It exposes the Hundus very critically. The Hindus are dead and gone intellectually by virtue of their Tolerance,Secularism and passive acceptance of Sonia as "Our karma,we are destined to be governed by an Italian Widow".So much for the Hindu's occultism and philosophy. God Bless this poor nation. Parsa V R Rao.
I have nothing against any religion but I feel that the author has presented a valid case before us. A case that many today do not accept the existence of. Reservations based on caste are equally harmful to the country. I am for a Reservation based on economic status of households. It is equally important for a reservation to have a planned phaseout.
Kudos to Francois who has the guts to be neutral and talk about this issue despite his own religious background!
Thank you Sir for writing fearlessly, though I know you have been doing so for quite some time. But everytime you write, I do hope that lesser hindus are encouraged to become "secularists". You have but mentioned the obvious dangers - Sonia Gandhi in an overdrive to appease Muslims and Christians, Communists in an overdrive to actually benefit China, India facing trouble from three sides (Tibet, Nepal, Pak). I wonder when there will be an able leader who will fearlessly establish a Hindu India, secular- but a hindu India, where the Hindu life will have value, where the Hindu way of life is established and nurtured, where there would be no threat from communal forces to destabilise and reduce the Hindu population, the Hindu culture, the Hindu values..... in effect- the hindu.
Very unlikely that Indians realize as real nationalists seem to be dead
by Bharath on Feb 01, 2006 11:36 AM Permalink | Hide replies
I have given up dreaming about India.... Its quite impossibe atleast now, as we are surrounded by opportunist parasites. Hope the cloud will get cleared itself. Similar kind of barbarians also had struck Midieval-India [like Gazni/Ghori/Moghuals(probably except Okbar)] which got cleared with the wheel of time.
Anyway, many thanks to the author for recognizing the inhouse dangers & villains.
This article is very very good, just excellent.Francois Gautier tried to throw light on the existing situation in India focussing on Hinduism and the eventually how things may shape up and ruin Hinduism and India.I pity that now for many citizens in India is becoming a fashion to preach Christianity and to get converted into Christianism, with all due respects to Christianity. Imitating western way of doing things is a style now. I could personally see the way christianism is prospering in India. I belong to a small village in Andhra Pradesh. When I know this world in early eighties there was only one Church in my village and today there are as many as 4 concrete churches and another one is in the process of getting it concreted. currently the fifth church is in the form of a hut. I donot know how many more may creep up under the able leadership of Dr.Y.S.Rajasekhar reddy and Mrs.Sonia Gandhiji.I also attribute these developments to the caste system what we have in India. People who are poor and also dalits feel downtrodden here in India. this has become an USP for the people behind converting Hindus and preaching Christinism.First we should try to serve the people and mankind.
RE:Where are the poor Hindus?
by sanjaychoudhry on Feb 07, 2006 10:31 PM Permalink
Dear DTR:
What about racisim, Inquistion, genocide of Red Indians, slavery in Amercia, and capturing other countries as colonies? Didn't these come from Chrisitanity?
On what basis are you adopting refined airs?
IF Hindus have caste system, you have racism. At least caste system is confined within Hindu society. With racism, you spit on the the whole of humanity as inferior product, going to the extent of treating Africans as animals and enslaving them to work in your fields like cattle.
I haven't even started about catholics killing protestants ... shall I send you a book on the Goa Inquisiton?
So cure yourself of your sophistication. We Hindus don't need these primitive faiths invented by superstitious desert tribes to enlighten us. You want to teach spirituality to Hindus with these cheap imports long past their shelf lives?
Why don't you check your own family tree to see which of your ancestors was given a bowl of rice and converted. You must really be lying in the pits to feel gratitude for the missionary who did it.
well i firstly dont understand where the writer is taking this issue? though i am an indian residing in the US over the last few years it hurts to think that a westerner has such narrow minds in respect to religion. if one has to consider the amount of conversions in india to christianity and by the author which is supposedly wrong, one also shoul consider the vigor with which hindus work here in building temples and the americans accept it as they play it fair calling it a free country. i also dont see a point in hindus utilizing factors such as christian educational organisations, hospitals etc but dont want christians in the country. and finally i guess though the christians and hindus live in harmony in india it is the work of these authors that instigate unneccsary religious feelings amongst them and play cheap politics.
RE:re:where are the poor hindus?
by Tulsi on Feb 01, 2006 10:54 PM Permalink
Dear Sir,
i can understand pain you are feeling. Although you may take (or post ) your views on the article, the point is he has given facts to substanciate ant not his views. it is andhra CM who wanted church on Turupati?
and what will you achieve with miracle boxes? Tomorrow whenever problem happens and if this miracle box does not help people will loose their faith on God. I am USA and can see it around with thousands. This is not what Jesus, mohammad or Krishna taught as religion. People are making it cheap. Our indian culture is not the way it is now. People with different religion can stay in harmony.
So come up with good solution instead just blaming others / just watching...
RE:re:where are the poor hindus?
by satyam on Feb 02, 2006 09:11 PM Permalink
Andrew, I have been living in US for the past couple of years and I totally disagree with your point. Yes, we do build temples here so that we can bring our culture and religion close to our lives and not to convince American or for that matter anyone to take up Hinduism. I respect this country for allowing us to follow our faith and religion. If we have followed the same way Christian missionaries did in India, I don't think any American/Christian will be pleased.
What the Christian missionaries did in India was to use people's weakness to convert them into their religion.
One of the main teachings of any religion is to help others without expecting anything in return. I think the Christian missionaries have forgotten this and use their wealth to spread their religion. And not to forget, they amassed this wealth by waging wars n killing poor people.
I am not one of those who generalize things, majority of the Christians value other people beliefs, but it's only those few who think Jesus is their savior and make it their personal motto to convert everyone else to follow Jesus by hook or crook.
RE:re:where are the poor hindus?
by J.N.Mahanty on Feb 01, 2006 10:52 PM Permalink
This is in reference to the Msg from Andrew:
Unfortunately you have made a very wrong comparision, between Indian Americans and the Christian Missionaries in India.
The Indian Americans ( in your Country) have built Temples for themselves to pray and NOT for converting others to Hinduism. If you are Not aware, pl visit one of these Temples and check for yourself.
Where as the Christian Missionaries in India, are converting the poor and gullible folks of India's Tribal and Backward Areas, thru Incentives/Tricks and building Churches for the Converts. Hinduism does not believe in Conversion as it is against the Act of God, whilst the Christian Missions with financial helps from the western world are busy in converting the poor people, rather exploiting their poverty/innocence, creating social tension and conflict.
Hope now you understand the activities of Christian Mission and their Agents in India. If you have to serve the people, please serve without any String attached to your social service and without any Hidden Agenda.
Please note that these Missionaries cannot fool all people for all times and one day these people will pay heavy price for their follies.
As I said in my earlier post, I truly beleive that the article is just a negative thought mentality on paper(or should I say screen?). I forwarded this article to about 15 Indian friends I have. And all, yes each and every one of them thought that was a pointless, meaningless waste of cyber space. Do you have an editor or someone who reads these articles to be uploaded? If yes, and if this article has really passed that scanner, please would someone tell me what in the article was worth its time on your homepage? India has freedom of speech and Mr. Gautier should have his freedom too, but for that let him create his own blog/website or print his own paper. Why on a public website like rediff? Where are you taking the readers any further by this? Do you feel that the India the author is dreaming for, will be achieved through such articles? I seriously dont! I pity the mindset who think it can, and that includes the editor who let this pass, if you disagree please explain.
RE:Re: Where are the poor Hindus?
by Bhaskar Chatterjee on Feb 01, 2006 09:24 PM Permalink
On the contrary, Rediff Team is trying to a better job by giving us full picture of the debate, which India's Elite English press never does. Rediff's coverage of California Text Book is a perfect example of that, where it covered both sides. Earlier, Indian media used to give us one sided story of what Aligarh & JNU historians had to say, but nobody cared to tell the story of the other side.
Nothing can be achieved by suppressing facts, taking a narrow view of things and insisting on that's the only version. That's why left fundamentalist historians are loosing the battle. After loosing in the Supreme Court, they are again trying to manipulate through legislation which is a short-sighted. No wonder, it will be re-written as soon as a BJP friendly Govt comes.
Those days of arrogance, proclaiming truth sitting on high pedestal of JNU/Aligarh are over. Popular Culture, Popular history, proliferation of free Media..soon these left fundamentalists will have no place to hide. Its a fair game --Google and proliferation of internet media has made the world flat. Let the more rational group win the battle!
RE:Re: Where are the poor Hindus?
by Siri on Feb 11, 2006 09:25 PM Permalink
I really pity you Mary for you know very little of your own religion. If you believe firmly that Jesus is the only savious, so do people of their God's or goddesses of other religious faith!! Why did God say that? Did you realise it any time? Because only GOD can save us, for He is our Creator. He said it not for you christians to convert others, or others (who belive their own faiths) to convert christians in to other religions. He said it for your salvation! For ONE'S own salvation! 'BELIEVE ME! I AM YOUR GOD, I AM THE ONLY SAVIOUR' - He said this because to make you love him alone immensely and not anyone else or anything else. Interpretations may be wrong. LISTEN TO YOUR HEART to interpret the things to enlighten one's soul.
RE:Re: Where are the poor Hindus?
by Ranjith on Feb 03, 2006 02:44 PM Permalink
I think the hits rediff.com gets by allowing Mr. Francois Gautier to write such article must be enough for an explanation. And article like these are required to open the poor hindus minds cz they have learnt only to tolerate.And bcz they are a majority in india they dont understand the danger brewing up in india.Just consider the muslim pockets in any city in india like hyderabad,kerala,bombay,bangalore you will understand what francois is talking about.And the no. of conversion happens in india.And the living condition of hindus in islamic states will further open your eyes. So i beg francois gautier to write an article everyday and the brave rediff editor to have it in their beautiful site called rediff.com which grew 115% in revenue and made india proud in the US stock market bypassing all the companies in US, to open the poor hindus only to an extent that they will wake up for self defence.My beloved hindu brothren wake up.
RE:Re: Where are the poor Hindus?
by Bharath on Feb 02, 2006 08:41 AM Permalink
Hey friend, Just visualize what would be your state of mind, after reading this article, if you werent belonged the religion that of yours. Plz, do act like many of your Indian counteparts. Try to develop gratitude to the nation which has given you shelter. Also realize that you also would have been converted from hinduism. I've tried all I can to explain in decent manner, If possible I expect the same from you
RE:Re: Where are the poor Hindus?
by saagar on Feb 01, 2006 11:21 PM Permalink
RSS are Indians too, Bajrang dal are Indians too, BJP is full of Indians too. Hindus need to wake up before more Kashmir's and Gujrat's happen.
Mr. Gautier, It was very saddening to read your article. What is the purpose really? Incite people? Sow that religion based hatred amongst people? Starting with Sonia G., agreed she is a foreigner and that she controls the party and hence the country. But the party was elected democratically, by the same Hindus, Muslims, SIkhs, and Christians. And for a diverse country like India, it takes more than a biparty constitution system and thus coalitions. It makes complete sense in any way that the team elected by the majority rules. People did vote knowing and indeed expecting Sonia G. to take the PM's seat? Why do you think that happened? ANy clue? And the events you mention about Bofors, Kashmir, missionaries etc.. are not the fruit of this government, but the many governmenets of the past. SO I dont see why you point your fingers to one person? Am not defending anybody here, but asking you what the purpose of the article is. you go on to say about the Sikh PM & Muslim Prez. Do you realize both are Indians first? Just with 30 yrs roots in this country you wouldnt understand that! Stop inciting, instead use ur writing skills for something positive sir! Thanks
RE:Re: Where are the poor Hindus?
by Mary on Feb 01, 2006 11:35 PM Permalink
Do you have any evidence that people tell lies? Yes I am a catholic and I certainly believe that Jesus is the one and only God and I have a right to my faith and spread my belief. I do not have an ulterior motive but a straightforward motive coz every christian has a duty to preach the Word of God. We do not have to lie to bring people to Jesus coz the truth suffices. Regarding Katrina, is there anyone stopping you? Why don't you try converting people? And for your information, were hindus the only people who were affected in Tsunami? Of course there were a lot of christians and people of other faiths. So why not people like you go over there and try to pull them to your faith. Any christian will know that only Christ can draw people to Himself and not humans cannot achieve that without the Will of Jesus.
