Hopefully these politicians will get the message right. Just by creating rosy picture on one side they divide the country and then don't let any development to happen as well. This article 341 is ridiculous.. If u are backward.. that's ok but if u r only a hindu backward and not muslim or christian or any other backward then only u'll be helped to get out of backwardness. Just plain ridiculous.. I can't believe this is in our constitution!! Moreover education for everyone is what the country needs and not plain old stupid talking and fighting between political parties.. which further create differences amongst citizens
Article 341 makes perfect sense
by Jagan on Dec 18, 2006 11:21 PM Permalink
Christians and Muslims trumpet that there is no upper/lower caste in their system. So when a person is Christian or Muslim then he/she is at the same social level as others. Hindu system is Suppose to have upper/lower caste so it needs to be straightened out (at least that is the theory). So article 341 makes perfect sense and Christians and Muslims should NOT be eligible for reservation.
If economic status is the criteria then all poor people should be included including Brahmins.
I hope this blows over and the whole quota system is scrapped. That day will be the true Independence Day for India.
do they want to put discussing family planning in the upliftment of muslims??? they should. how can you expect to rise economically when you have the burden of raising more kids than you can.
RE:may be its time they think about family planning too
by Jagan on Jan 05, 2007 04:01 AM Permalink
70% of world's oil might be there but it got 0% peace (may be negative) for the inhabitants. People cannot even walk freely in the streets. There are pockets of nice places like Dubai because they are practicing free market economy and give some amount of freedom to the people. Most of those countries are ruled by Kings (what a joke) and dictators. They take the wealth the common man is still poor. Iran got 40+% unemployment rate with the kind of natural resources they have. Only Muslims can do that.
India has the 2nd largest muslim population but still it is relatively a peaceful country and you see less number of Muslim terrorists from India. The reason is simple it is the Indian culture which is saving them (and also India). This may be the precise reason Arabs do not accept Indian Muslims as true muslims. So you are in a safe country and there are opportunities around. Only a Hindu majority India can have a mulsim president, sikh prime minister and Catholic president (ruling coalition). I bet no Muslim country will give such freedom to its people.
When sword (+ cruelty) was the most powerful thing in the world Muslims were in control. Now we have completed a full circle and once again knowledge is power (and will be). So obviously India is once again the king.
You mentioned 3 universities and only two are familiar to me, Aligarh University =SIMI and kids join Osmania only when their score is low. Indian RECs and other Christian mission run colleges are much better then these. Bottom line is that they are not in any class (either India or the world). The Christians have created more schools and hospitals in India than anybody else (other than Govt.) and they are also minority.
Remove your hatred filled glasses and look at the world and you will find India as one of its best.
RE:may be its time they think about family planning too
by Jagan on Dec 20, 2006 09:18 PM Permalink
You missed the point completely. Muslims ruled India for over 600 years. They were the ruling class and rich. What happened to their wealth? Did they create any educational institutions or anything good? I dont think so. Once again, Brahmins are not getting any reservation in any state, Mulsims rulers were ruthless against them. Still you call them forward community how? Education. As long as muslims dont show up in regular (not madarasa) schools/colleges and complete they will not be ready for the real world and it is going to get tough. It is gods way of punishing for the atrocities they committed against Hindus during their rule in India. India is on the roll and in another 20 years we will be on top of the world (along with China and the US) and it is up to the muslim community to either join us not just lay by the wayside. As a south Indian, I once again thank the Rajputs, Punjabis and other Hindu North Indian warriors for stopping muslims in the north and saving south India from destruction and plunder.
You will know who is the loser in another 10 to 15 years. It is will be most likely the Indian Muslim. Ah. Ah.ah.
RE:may be its time they think about family planning too
by Indian Muslim on Dec 25, 2006 12:15 PM Permalink
<<<<<You missed the point completely. Muslims ruled India for over 600 years. They were the ruling class and rich. What happened to their wealth? Did they create any educational institutions or anything good? I dont think so>>>>>
Who built Osmania University, Jamia Nizamia, Aligarh Muslim Univ,........???? Any idea.... These are not Madrasas, they are world class universities....are you ignorant or acting to be one? <<<Once again, Brahmins are not getting any reservation in any state>>> That's because they have power and money which they got from the blood of innocent dalits. <<<As long as muslims .......to get tough. >>> You have a mindset that all muslims study in Madrasas...That's the poison your masters in BJP has filled in you. Those Muslims who can afford education, definetely sends their children to good English medium schools, but who can't afford it, send their children to Madrasas because they are far better than Government schools. <<<<It is gods way of punishing ....>>> Yeah thats why God gave 70% of world's oil reserve to muslims. Stop being so childish mister, don't be so senseless.
RE:may be its time they think about family planning too
by Indian Muslim on Dec 25, 2006 12:24 PM Permalink
<<<<As a south Indian, I once again thank the Rajputs, Punjabis and other Hindu North Indian warriors for stopping muslims in the north and saving south India from destruction and plunder. >>> Hey Mr, better Join Great Indian Comedy Show, you seems to be a biggest comedian in the world. Rajputs were beaten in every war they fought with Muslims and they had to give their daugthers (Read Jodha Bai) to save their lives. North Indian Warriors? What they did ever to save India? They lost nearly all the battles in the history, Starting from Alexander to Britishers. Since 1200 A.D. name even one north Indian king who was a major ruler, warrior, king etc... And now let me come to South India...The whole deccan region comprising nearly 70% of south and south central India was ruled by Qutubshahi kingdom nearly for 500 years and later by Nizams. The rest of south karnataka by The Greatest Freedom fighters of India, Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan. Kerala and Tamil Nadu were the only areas left, which paid royalties to Mughal emperors and others to save their lives. AGAIN CHECK THE FACTS BEFORE COMMENTING....JUST MAKING BIG STATEMENTS DOESN'T MAKES SENSE.
RE:may be its time they think about family planning too
by Jagan on Jan 03, 2007 04:18 AM Permalink
They might have lost all the wars but India is still 80+% (Hindu) non-muslim and that is their victory. Anyway, relax- History is not going to change but we will see how future turns up. If a section of India is poor it is bad for the whole of India. However, reservation and Govt paying tax payer money is not the solution. The community should take responsibility. Don't blame others for all the ills created by the community itself.
by the way, Brahmins are not/never rich (invaders were). They study hard and go ahead. I used to be a Bhramin hater like you before when I was young. Now looking back, I see that they have a focus on education which helped them (and will help them always). The point is- without any help from Govt, a community can raise up. If they can do it when the govt was working against them why not you? If you think Islam is better than Brahmins- then the community should prove it because Brahmins have. I use them as examples when I tell my community kids about the value of education.
Don't get emontional with these issues. If muslims are going to wait for Govt's help. They will be waiting for ever because we all know how our Govt works.
"Aryan Invsion Theory" (fair coloured people coming from central asia) is proved to be a myth beyond any resonable doubt. Once again search the Kafir's tech - the internet.
Iran and other non saudi muslims should learn from India/Spain and go back and follow their pre islamic way of life to prosper.
They ruled India for more than 600 years and now they are one of the most backward community. What a pity.
Their community should help themselves. We all envy (Including me) Brahmins but they came to this level without any Govt quota or help and note that they were no where near the ruling class for about 1000 years (They were not preferred by Muslims and English Christians). We all should learn from them and concentrate on Education.
PS: Not only in India. As long as they looted India, Afghanistan was rich and the moment the money supply from India is cut, they went down the tubes.
Brahimins
by Vijaya Kumar on Dec 19, 2006 07:44 PM Permalink
Brahmins were never in power for 10,000 years. But their contributions to the society were monumental. Even to get independence from British, many leaders were Brahmins who gave up their minimal wealth. If we have some books and culture that can be admired by rest of the world, it was Brahmin sacrifice. What are we doing now, the justice party fellows of Madras who were opposing independence are in power in the state and central and living off of hatred against those responsible for liberation. I doubt if we can find any community in human history without faults-one can find faults with Brahmins-Although the whole society is responsible for any discrimination, Brahmins take all the shit with silence-yes truly we have to learn a lot from them.
RE:Pathetic Leadership of their community
by Indian Muslim on Dec 25, 2006 12:07 PM Permalink
<<<India was much richer before.......... that is plunder India systematically.
What a joke....What was India before the Muslim Invasions? All of the Maharaja's fighting with each other for small pieces of land. Have you ever imagined if India was a big united country before foriegn invasions, would anybody have the courage to invade it? Centuries before muslim invasion, Alexander invaded and conquered India....why and How? Just seeing the infightings happening in India, every foriegn ruler was tempted to attack India and loot it. Also, after all, Brahmins are also invaders, they came from Central Asia and settled here...India was a country of Dravidians...I think you forgot the history or you never learnt it.. Except some looters like Ahmed shah abdali etc, The Muslims from Iran, Arab were cultured, great architects, warriors etc. Ohh, and was India a golden bird before Mughal Invasion? BIG LIE, Mughals made India the richest country in the world and no historian can denie this. Every citizen was allowed to freely follow and preach his religion.
RE:Pathetic Leadership of their community
by mrsingh on Dec 27, 2006 09:55 PM Permalink
Something really strange the Muslim's and even the Christians have been demanding is reservation for Dalit/Tribal Muslims and Dalit/Tribal Christians. Tribalism is animism and it simply is impossible for a Christian to be a Tribal at the same time. Ditto for the Muslims. Coming to the Sachar report all I would like to ask is whether its OK for one community to have a disproportionately higher presence in the army like the Sikh. And how many Jains are there in the army ?? Thanks.
RE:Response to all stupid postings of the Indian Muslim
by Karthik on Jan 05, 2007 04:30 AM Permalink
Muslims in South India are no better. They are only capable of being waiters, coolies, mechanics, cab drivers, domestic maids, pimps and security guards in Gulf. They are a big zero in education. They know only to use swords and education has never been Muslims cup of tea. Why India? Is any Muslim country in the whole world that is known for its knowledge base?????????????
India was a rich country before the Muslims invaded. Mohammed of Ghazni invaded India 17 times and plundered all our wealth. The destruction of the Somnath Temple is well documented. Most Islamic countries (Turkey, Afghanistan, Persia) have thrived on our Indian money. Muslims have destroyed India and continue to do the same in 2007. Ideally you guys need to go to Pakistan or some other Gulf country where you have a BRIGHT FUTURE !!
If India is such a bad place, why dont Muslims leave India ?? Because it is in your blood to be haraam. All haraamis will meet their fate..dont worry. Ghazni, would have never thought his great Afghan would be such a shit today. But what you do is what you get !! I am sure Mohammed Ghazni will be turning in his graves!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Pathetic Leadership of their community
by Indian Muslim on Dec 25, 2006 11:58 AM Permalink
"Even to get independence from British, many leaders were Brahmins who gave up their minimal wealth" Ya, but also many Brahmins sold their country to britishers to become Rai Bahadurs, officers etc. YOur Veer SAvarkar also deceived the freedom fighters to get his own freedom. Shame on him and others like him.
"If we have some books and culture that can be admired by rest of the world, it was Brahmin sacrifice" If that's the case, then what the hell Khan Abdul ghaffar khan, Abdul kalam Azad, Ashfaq ullah did?
"I doubt if we can find any community in human history without faults-one can find faults with Brahmins" Killing thousands of dalits, raping their daughters and wives, not giving them any rights, treating them worse than animals, not letting them enter Temples, not letting them drink water from wells..... Mr., Everybody in the world knows about the Brahmins and what they did against humanity. In my view there is no worse community than Brahmins. "yes truly we have to learn a lot from them. " If you want to learn anything from them to become human, just do the opposite of whatever they do.
RE:Pathetic Leadership of their community
by Indian muslim on Dec 17, 2006 01:07 PM Permalink
Hey loser, read this :
When Muslims were the rulers of India for 700 years, Hindus, muslims, christians everybody was rich, infact richest. But see what you guys have done. In just 60 years, your hatred towards muslims, made them so poor. Why do you think muslims of South India are developed? Muslims are same all over india, then why just muslims of South India are developed? IF you don't give muslims the oppurtunity to work, study, reside....then how do you think they are going to grow economically? In most of the states, there is around 33% reservations for Backward classes. Whatever is the class, the 33% is reserved for hindus, isn't it correct? If you are reserving the seats in colleges, government jobs etc, how can muslims get an oppurtunity? If your decisions, ideas, thinking is fully influenced by hatred, you'll never be able to make an intelligent decision. This Hatred towards muslims by the likes of Sangh parivar and some Congressmen, has caused this backwardness in Muslims and I am sure that this hatred is not going to reduce and everybody will just blame the muslims themselve for their backwardness
RE:Pathetic Leadership of their community
by Jagan on Dec 20, 2006 11:09 PM Permalink
India was much richer before. Muslims did not do the looting also properly. They were backward in that also. Educated British did in 250 years what Muslims could not do in over 600 years, that is plunder India systematically. British stole Indias wealth and took it to Britain and Muslims looted India and sent the wealth to Pak/Afghanistan. See the condition of those countries. Educated Britain is able to retain its wealth. Read history to see how Muslims brutally ruled India, especially wrote by the biographers of the sultans. Example, Tuzk-i-Timuri Hasan Nizamis Taj-ul-Ma'sir, Nizamuddin Awliyas Tarikh-i-Alai Kamiu-t Tawarikh, by Ibn-Asir Tarikh-us-Subuktigin Badaunis Muntakhab-ut-Tawarikh Sirat-i-Firuz Shahs Will Durants 'Story of Civilization'
If you cant get them in a library search the internet (a technology invented by Kaifirs). Good luck.
