I think that we have already insulted 'Vande Mataram' by not taking it as our national anthem during independence... it played a very important role during the freedom struggle and was ingored once we attained freedom...yes people will say that this is still a national song...but tell me one thing what do you sing during 15th aug/26th jan/any flag hoisting ceremonies...the national anthem and not the national song..so it doesn't matter now. we have already sidetracked 'Vande Mataram' and its importance a longggg time ago. we made a compromise at that time ( for whatever reasons) and we still continue to make compromises in each and every matter since our independence
RE:vande mataram....
by Shreeram Bhat on Aug 24, 2006 03:39 PM Permalink
Agreed. But again if "Sara Jahan se...." is incorporated as national anthem, ultimately it requires agreement by all. Somebody else, say a Christian will object. He will propose an English song!! So a compromise will always be required, my dear brother. Or else a national anthem with all national languages including English may be proposed - sounds ridiculous does it not!!!!!!!!!
RE:vande mataram....
by Bodhisattwa Dasgupta on Aug 24, 2006 03:13 PM Permalink
So do you want to say that we donot sing Sare Jahan se Achha...its written by a muslim, i suppose...and please know the root cause of Vandemataram...It written during the British rule and the song was sung by the Shontan dol in the famous patriotic story called Anandomoth...its not a bhajan...kindly read history then comment...
RE:vande mataram....
by Neil Razdan on Aug 25, 2006 01:47 AM Permalink
Bodhisattwa, Please correct me if I am wrong. If I remember correctly, "Vande Mataram" WAS sung as National Anthem for some time, and then was replaced by "Jana Gana Mana" later on? And, the reason "Saare Jahaan Se Achha..." cannot replace "Vande Mataram" is because, one, it was not written to pay respect to the motherland, just a poem to praise it, whereas "Vande Mataram" pays respect to the motherland. Secondly, Iqbal decided to leave the country that he wrote "Saare Jahaan se achha..." Why would you leave the place that you call the best, and go settle for something less than the BEST. So, probably that made it not so popular also.
Its merely a bhajan to me.... why it should take on such a grand proportion is baffling.The freedom fighters sang many other songs too, with equal warth & gusto...Sarfaroshi ki tamanna... etc , so why pick on this? I do not agree with the words it uses.. I bow to no one except God. I am fiercely patriotic and will willingly die for my country's safety,as my forefathers did in the past, but my patriotism cannot be gauged by singing a song or not... why dont they incorporate a naat or Hymn? why bhajan? Why not replace its importance by a more secular and more easily understood 'Saare Jahan se achha?'.. Cant the bigots sing a song composed by a muslim? Then why should they expect Christians & Muslims sing a Hindu bhajan?
RE:My personal thoughts on Vande Mataram
by ami on Aug 25, 2006 07:26 PM Permalink
Dear Slaman First of all perform Tauba . I Think u r un educated in respect of Islamic studies where islam has made compulsory to love mother land. There is no Harm in singing National Song. and it made compulsory for each and every muslim to love his/her mother land. we all love India. we are not against this song , we are against the meaning of those stanzas which are against the Basic Teaching of Islam. i.e none is worthy for worship except Allah. and if u read those stanzas then u are accepting that u r worship other than Allah which will makes u out Islam.We All should come togather irrespective of Religion to develop our Holy Mother Land(India) and Should not waste the time in this.
RE:My personal thoughts on Vande Mataram
by Krishna on Aug 24, 2006 09:24 PM Permalink
Thanks God. People like you will make no difference. Indian needs people like you. Even not like me.
RE:My personal thoughts on Vande Mataram
by To Salman Qureshi on Aug 25, 2006 03:12 PM Permalink
Hi Salman,
You are out of your head. Being a muslim you do not know your own relegion. Shame on you. First ask the maulana or your city Mufti as to what is the meaning of this song & why muslims should not sing it.
Singing this song is idol worship. Anyone who does idol worship has done "shirk" & Allah doesn ot pardon such people. So 1st get your basics right about your relegion before making a bold statement that you will sing this song.
May Allah bless us all with the right knowledge that help us all in this world & the hereafter.
RE:My personal thoughts on Vande Mataram
by Shreeram Bhat on Aug 24, 2006 03:33 PM Permalink
May there be a million Muslims who think like you!! Though of course singing anthems does not necessarily mean patriotism and there may be many non Hindus more patriotic without singing it, still such objections by Muslim leaders sows seeds of alienation
RE:My personal thoughts on Vande Mataram
by Noor Khan on Aug 25, 2006 05:17 PM Permalink
I totally agree with salmaan this is not at all anti -Islamic. I don't know why the people are creating so much of hype for this. I will sing this vande mataram number of time.
Why ''Saare jahan se achcha'' should be banned!?
by VijayN on Aug 24, 2006 03:40 PM Permalink
My dear Muslim fellow countryman, if Bankimchandra Chattopadhyay had left India for any other nation, every Indian would have opposed "Vande Mataram" tooth and nail. Mohd. Iqbal's "Saare Jahan Se..." should be actually banned in India since Iqbal is credited with being one of the earliest proponents for a separate nation-state in the Muslim majority areas of the sub-continent. One of the first formal articulations of this demand was made in his presidential address to the annual conference of the All India Muslim League in 1930 in Allahabad. However, our large hearted (meaning coward) politicians kept on pushing this song through our generation to appease minorities!!! Shame be upon those (SBUT) who do not want to sing "Vande Mataram..." with pride!
RE:My personal thoughts on Vande Mataram
by Yashendra on Aug 24, 2006 03:54 PM Permalink
Yes, Mitzy, no one should bow down to anyoone except God. We Hindus, since time immemorial, worship only ONE GOD. " Ekmevadwitiyam sharnam>" ( We take refuge in one and the only ONE). Other deities (erroneously called gods and doddesses) are manifestations of the ONE GOD. Gifts of ONE GOD.
Our Motherland is our Mother ? We salute her, rever her like we respect and rever our parants, our superiors, elders.... Whats the problem in calling the Motherland 'Durga" ??/ Bharat mata also has the attributes of Durga !! Bowing down to Motherland, father, mother, teacher is different than bowing down to ONE GOD. Why dont u see the reflections of the ONE God in every part of the creation ?????
We get the smell of ONE GOD everywhere so we revere everything. This is Bharat. Not Saudi Arabia. U have to choose one. Decide.
RE:My personal thoughts on Vande Mataram
by Yashendra on Aug 24, 2006 04:00 PM Permalink
Mitzy,
We all Hindus love and sing Saare Jahan se Achha !! We love Iqbal !! We love and adore Jesus, we love and revere Prophet Mohammad. We love Islam. We love Christainity. Our Saints have always revered Jesus and the Prophet. Read Ramkrishna Paramhans, Sri Sri Thakur Anukulchandraji, Rishi Aurobindo, Raman Maharshi !! Saint Kabir !! All religions preaches the same thing--- this is the voice of India.
If u dont believe in this, get out of here. Or face annihilation. Vand Mataram !!!
How can singing a national song is anti islamic? I will sing Vande Mataram 100 times and will never tell my child not to sing this song. To me this song represents martyrs from all communities because of whom India gained independence. If Ahmed Bukhari or anyone is opposing singing of national song it is only because of their own selfish political gains and to create a further rift in the already divided society for their political survival.
RE:Vande Mataram
by Shreeram Gajanan Bhatt on Aug 25, 2006 03:13 PM Permalink
May there be a million Muslims who think like you!! Though of course singing anthems does not necessarily mean patriotism and there may be many non Hindus more patriotic without singing it, still such objections by Muslim leaders sows seeds of alienation and strengthen the hands of Hindu fascists like BJP, Shiv Sena
RE:Vande Mataram
by Mohit Kumar on Aug 24, 2006 04:37 PM Permalink
Well said Salman. I fully agree to you.It is because of the people like Bukhari and Mulayam that the society in our country is still divided.
RE:Vande Mataram
by Satish Sasikumar on Sep 02, 2006 08:17 PM Permalink
Dear Salman saheb.. I appreciate your concern and it is people like youwho still hold this country united... Cheers All the best Regards Satish
RE:Vande Mataram
by piyush bakshi on Aug 25, 2006 03:45 PM Permalink
bravo salman, u have moved me to congratulate you. so long as india has people like you, there is hope for this nation, we shall overcome the sectarian politicians together and god willing ganga will one day again flow in akhand bharat.
RE:Vande Mataram
by SDG on Aug 29, 2006 11:39 AM Permalink
Well said, Salman. I am proud to have you as a fellow countryman. Our forefathers sang the song to fight for freedom and it didn't matter whether they were Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, or whichever.
RE:Vande Mataram
by Akhil on Aug 25, 2006 07:04 PM Permalink
My Salute and Hand goes to you. people like you need to stand people like you in hindu community to work for betterment of this country.
Even if it was not a National song, I still would have recited 'Vande Mataram' daily, as it describes my country's rich heritage and culture. There is no scope of controversy in the song. The controversy is in the minds of some people.
Indian Army is the pillar o our secularism.Still the troops of SIKH regiment go for attack with slogan" JO BOLE SO NIHAL'
A K Rahman has sung the anthem.Does BUKHARI represent all muslims?In all the countries, MUSLIMS follow the local tradition and prayers.There objection creates division and is harmful.
Vande mataram is national song any one irrespective of religion refuse to sing the song at any level should be treated as anti national, as country and people who had laid their lives are above any religion, caste and individuals.
In this regard if any sentiments which an individuals should have, it should be towards the country only, rather towards one any religion or Shahi Imam.
It is high time that all indians realise that politicians leave nothing to exploit. and patriotism is no exception.
If some politician said that the national song has to be recited, and if some politicians criticise the same, then i think, both of them should be shot dead, for making a joke of the national song.
of all these, what purpose does the imam have in criticising the national song. people like these should be thrown out of the country, as it is a sheer mockery of the greatness of the freedom fighters and the country.it is like spitting venom on our mother. i urge all true indians to condemn acts like these and people who indulge in such acts.
RE:Vande Mataram
by Rene on Aug 25, 2006 03:53 PM Permalink
Indians have religous freedom. People can voluntarily change thier beliefs in this country. But religion and religious leaders should never be allowed to rise to a higher influence than national integrity and security. Irrespective of what religion you are, no Priest, Imam or whoever is considered as religious leaders should decide or influence anything of National perception and patriotism except positively. Also people of all religions should realise that religious leaders and politicians are people like us. Everyone makes mistakes and have bias and narrow perceptions based on their history and factors influencing them. Religious books were also written by people only in a previous period who had their perceptions. Religions and beliefs are sourced in civilisations around the world. Humans needed Religion and God in many soceities to establish moral and social harmony and to coexist.
Do not let some books or some people or your religion dictate what you want or what u believe. Cause this is not who you are... this is who you feel you are based on your imposed views and analysis. Believe or not in God, but think, speak and act as a human who coexists with diverse beliefs.
'Vande Matram' means worship your motherland. There is nothing communal or religious about it. Its above everything you can think of,including the religion or faith one follows. This magical word had the power to move the whole nation and stand united against the british colonial rule. If there is one religion, we all Indians should follow that's "bharityta". 'Vande Matram" is essentially this religion's sacred word. I pay my tribute to all those brave freedom fighters who marched fearlessly and with pride towards the gallows, vociferating "Vande Matram".
Vande mataram is national song any one irrespective of religion refuse to sing the song at any level should be treated as anti national, as country and people who had laid their lives are above any religion, caste and individuals.
In this regard if any sentiments which an individuals should have, it should be towards the country only, rather towards one any religion or Shahi Imam.
