Vande Mataram means this is only salute to Mother Nation. the person who do not salute his/her mother should die. Whem we sing Vande Matarm it tells Aye Watan we can do anything to protect from enmies.
For me Vande matram means worshiping my mother "Bharat Mata", but when it comes to politiicans and religious leaders like imam and baba's , i don't think for them it means the same, they can do poilitics even on this issue also.
Immortal songs like Vande Mataram should be kept above petty politics. During the freedom struggle even the Muslims of that time sang this song. Imam Bukhari is seeking political relevence and has made his statement with theis objective.
Vande Mataram and Jana Gana Mana are Indians' pride......these sould be recited at every public ceremony..... We are Indians first and always.
RE:We are Indians first and always
by Madhukar Sah on Aug 31, 2006 12:01 PM Permalink
Seems to me as if Mr. Ayaz Chamdia history is very weak. In the fight of freedom it was hindus who sacrificed there lives more than muslims. While hindus were fighting for freedom muslims were more bothered about building a new nation by name "Pakistan". I need not prove this. Count the number of freedom fighters on both sides and everbody gets the proof.
The harsh reality is that The people of India,pakistan,Afganistan,Bangaladesh were all Hindus b4 who were forcibly converted to Islam from the invaders of Arab. Today we fight on the name of religion and Arabs are quitely doing business.
Well i think a religion if it says that praising a nation is wrong cant be a religion itself. I think Islam does not fall into that category.
Md. Yazed Alam Khan is also a muslim but takes pride in reciting 'Vande mataram'. I dont know what itchs Mr. Ayaz Chamdia for doing the same.
RE:We are Indians first and always
by Saravanan on Aug 29, 2006 09:12 AM Permalink
Agreed that we are Indians first ,but pls don't forget history that all the Muslims are hindustanis first and pls Do not compare the Hon'ble Indian President with a Mafia leader .We Indians donot see him [the president] as a Muslim we see him as an Indian, and not only him we see every one in India as Indians.
RE:We are Indians first and always
by Vijay on Aug 29, 2006 10:22 AM Permalink
Please do not threaten our Secular country by offering a Saint or a Terrorist.
Dr. A.P.J Abdul Kalam recites Saraswathi Vandana and knows more about hinduism and never took himself to religious fanatism.
Dear All Why don't we all understand that this is just a political gain...we compell others to do what they don't want to do...then what will be the difference between us and the british govt... History is withness that muslims have died more then hindus in the fight for freedom . Muslims are like your assets its upto you how you want to see them...you want to see then in APJ ABDUL KALAM'S face or In Dawood Ibrahim face?
RE:Will a person be an indian if he sings 'Vande mataram'?
by andy on Aug 29, 2006 12:14 PM Permalink
Dear Please tell me why it pinches people of your community to do what other are doing. If you have a problem in praising our country then please find a country where you can praise your religion and not the country in which you live.By the way Our president sings Saraswati vandana and don not compare him with a criminal. this shows your mentality.
Who are You DECIDE NOW.
by maheshkulharia on Aug 29, 2006 09:11 AM Permalink
AND we are challanging Dawood to come out and show face rather than hiding like coward. How ever people like APJ KALAM are beyond comparison. They are great and we hold them in highest esteem. So you see we do not prejudge on the basis of religion and we look for the nature of a person before deciding. and Let me give you a note of caution DONOT TRY TO THREATEN US (INDIANS). because IF you want to live in INDIA as INDIAN be sensible or you may go to any ISLAMIC country of your choice. There is no room for traitors here. On the other hand if you have attachment with this LAND then you have equal duties, rights, previlages and we shall treat you as one of us (BROTHER). If it is so then I ask you to spread truth about NATIONALISM in your community. So that people like Bukhari could be ignored by illitrate masses and people like him lose ability to harm the INDIAN progress.
RE:Will a person be an indian if he sings 'Vande mataram'?
by Anoop Viswanathan Na on Aug 29, 2006 11:20 AM Permalink
Ayaz, Nobody talked of Dawood here. YOu are the one who has borught it up for your own personal gains. When Indian students sing the UAE national Anthem or the respective gulf countries National Anthems, they learn to do it with a period of time with passion as that is where they are growing up. This is our own motherland, and if here you do not wat to sing the country's national song, I just dont understand why you are still here in India.. Dont count the numbers of deaths during the freedom struggle Ayaz..You might just have to learn both mathematics and hitory again to prove what you said. Nobody fought the struggle counting Ayaz. My good friends include a number of Muslims. We have never counted or created accounts between us.Why? Because we have never allowed ourselves to be lead either by the politicians or the religious heads. Education is not just about Degree certificates.It is about learning how to live a righeous life, and I dont think The Holy Quran teaches you otherwise. Think before you talk Ayaz. For your frivolity moght just anger someone else.
RE:Will a person be an indian if he sings 'Vande mataram'?
by vinay on Aug 29, 2006 11:44 AM Permalink
Well Ayaz
U HAVE quite a sense of humour.ur claim that more muslims laid their life than hindus in utterly laughable.Majority of muslims wanted pakistan for themselves at that time.very few muslims participated in freedom struggle after 1857 and history is witness of that.Muslims are never an asset in a non muslim society they are a liability and danger to national security be it india,germany,UK,USA,Phillippines u name it
RE:Will a person be an indian if he sings 'Vande mataram'?
by Aniruddha on Aug 29, 2006 08:54 AM Permalink
Vande Mataram is a sincere praise for Mother.Mothers are not religions,they are simply Mothers. So why object to Her Praise. We already have lot of unrest around us with Terrorism,Kashmir issues,North East issues and a song which majority(Not only Hindus,but Christians,Sikhs,Jains...) feels will diffuse all tensions and Muslims get a solid platform to prove their love for their nation.Why I am singling out Muslims is because " Not all Muslims are terrorists" but it has become "That all terrorists are Muslims". Liberal Muslims should openly support Vande Mataram and the Imams who has influence over the masses should talk of India first and then religion.It goes exactly reverse.Madarasas should have been for creating love for own religion but unfortunately its becoming a school where hatred for other religions is also taught. GOD Bless India because with caste politics we can never be a superpower nor take our rightful place that is the centrestage in global policies.
RE:Will a person be an indian if he sings 'Vande mataram'?
by Md. Yazed Alam Khan on Aug 30, 2006 11:00 AM Permalink
Hey Mr. Ayaz, I don't see any offence on any muslim's part singing "Vande Mataram". It is great composition of Bankim Chandra Chatterjee and the splendour lies in it is inexplicable!! It is not alt all anti Islamic and doesn't offend Islam. It's my pleasure that, I proudly sing this song and will teach my fellow generations to sing to imbibe themselves for the cause of such a Great Nation. Moreover, I study Islamic literatures regularly and offer Namaz regularly. We are living in 21st century and should shed off all our superstitions behind, if we want to progress!!!
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT
by maheshkulharia on Aug 29, 2006 09:01 AM Permalink
which HISTORY are you talking about. Last time I checked there was equal contributions from all communities in proportion of their populations. Before claiming anything or trying to be a historian get your facts straight. Chandashekhar, sukh dev, Subhash chandra bose and countless others were HINDUS just like Bhagat singh, Udham singh and countless others were SIKHS and Ashfaqullah, Bhadur shah and countless were MUSLIMS. Each community participated equally. You show sick mentality by claiming MUSLIMS better than ALL. I am hindu but if for need of my NATION I have to change my religion I shall gladly do that even conversion. For all nationalists NATION COMES FIRST ALWAYS. So dont give stupid logic and hide behind misrepresented principles (propagated by terrorist like fundamentalist people) for not singing NATIONAL song. If these foolish people think that we INDIANS od today will allow another partition they are day dreaming. Even if we have to die we will not allow another division and mind you before we have to die we shall give HELL to ANTINATIONALS. There can be no discussion on NATIONAL SONG. It is DUTY and not a RIGHT. One has to SING and there is no choice. Vande Materam
RE:Will a person be an indian if he sings 'Vande mataram'?
by Nagesha on Aug 29, 2006 12:08 PM Permalink
Which freedom Struggle Ayaz? If you have read the history properly, there are only instances of muslims betraying this nation not only during freedom struggle but also during partition. Can you count of muslim leaders...yes you can , because they are countable. But Hindus it is infinite. But those muslim leaders, who fought, fought for India and not for Imam bukhari or Sonia Gandhi.
'Vande Mataram' is in National Interest, so there is no question of any particular religion/cast disagreeing to say it, as the 'Nation Comes First'. I beleive our Government should be strict against those who says no to the National interest.
RE:Vande Mataram.
by TY on Aug 29, 2006 11:49 AM Permalink
fyi, jana gana mana is a national anthom and not vande mataram. any way i think we muslim should not feel any offencive to sing the vande mataram song as it is just a poem, but if you see the otherway, some political party want to make it hindisum on the national song, which might be objected by muslim clerc
Vande Mataram has to b made Compulsory as it is an National Anthem. I do not know why the indian muslims are objecting to the National Anthem. Are they not Indians First. And if they do not have respect for the country (matrubhumi) in which they have born and have brought up then they have no right to live in this country and one you object to recite the National Anthem should be seen as GADDAR for India and should be treated accordingly.
RE:Vande Mataram to be Made Compulsory
by SP on Aug 29, 2006 10:49 AM Permalink
Dear friend " Vande Mataram " is not our national anthem." Jana Gana Mana " is our national anthem.
Anyway Vande Mataram is all about praising our motherland and every Indian should be proud of it.If Indian muslims take it on religion then it means for them religion is more important than the nation and it certainly sends wrong signals.Indian muslims should consider themselves Indians and love the country if their loyalties are not with India then they have no equal rights.The fact is, by our constitution every citizen is equal and we accept that. But so called secular governments like congress divide the people for their vote bank politics and this is the tragedy.All of us irrespective of caste and religion must be united and throw away these politicians.I have few muslim and christian friends and they surely love India.Young generation should be united and purposeful.The future of India is in hands of this generation and united we can become the strongest nation in the world.VANDE MATARAM. JAI HIND.
