The look and behaiour counts when you are traveling. Some passenger just bother about other and they are rude. It is good to see that now a days these are being observed...
Why is that even Indian Muslims are tortured just because they are muslims?
doesnt the western world know the difference between a muslim from India and a Pakistani Muslim?
Indian Muslims have a better attitude towards Life than the Pakistani or the terrorist Muslims!!
Muslims and Hindus in Mumbai live in Harmony even in the incidence of riots. then why are the detained at amsterdam? just because they travelled in a group?
the English Pilots need to be a little more courageous in their demeanour and also not lose the sensibility of whos who!!
Great Britain and allies are welcoming a HUGE problem by doing so and the day is not far when such Insults towards the Innocent Muslim will create another UNWANTED 9/11....
Please be sensitive towards this issue as Muslims have still not lost the RIGHT TO TRAVEL or LIVE in GROUPS.
Dont treat Group of Muslim Traders as a Terrorist Organisation. and have the courage to detain and punish the REAL CULPRITS!!!
AUM May I add a few words to the story of 12 Indian Muslims detained in the Amsterdam airport. It is learnt from sources that the 12 Indian Muslims sitting together aroused the suspicion of the cabin crew when they exchanged sim cards of their mobile. These men talked in whispers in a way that is not normal. In any case, prevention is better than cure. The plane had to go back to check and recheck the credentials of these 12 Indian Muslims. Should there be evidence against them, they will be dealt with according to law. In case they are innocent, they will go home like free men. Let the law take its own course. Ley us have faith in God and the law. With best wishes to one and all.
At present, when a person is seen with a beard he is suspected to be a terrorist, that to when the person's name is muslim by any chance he gets into the cross roads. Moving around the world is made quite discomfortable for a muslim. His passport invites a special invitation and scrutinization, Blindly a muslim is branded as a terrorist without any cross checks, We can have so many real time examples, one such example is amsterdam detainment. A person can be called as a terrorist not only because of the external credentials he owes such as a beard. A lot had been spoken and written about this subject, but it is embarrasing that many countries don't accept this fact. The world has to change its view on Islam and Muslims. This is My Humble Request.
RE:Is Beard a sign of Terrorism??
by AMARESH on Aug 26, 2006 03:59 PM Permalink
Beard is not a signof Terrorism, but the whole communty has come under scanner. Few people spread terroism but they get the support from whole community otherwise the other people of the community must have exposed those who provide supports to these terrorist otherwise without local support they could not have succeeded Mumbai blast.
RE:Is Beard a sign of Terrorism??
by pks on Aug 28, 2006 05:09 PM Permalink
Absolutely not, but discipline the unruly people, otherwise it would be dangerous, do not be fundamentlists, try to understand the feelings because of few people of the community i.e. innocent killing of people, nobody tolerates it. If you have personal enmity with anyone retaliate it but do not attack to those who are nothing to do.
RE:Is Beard a sign of Terrorism??
by AMARESH on Aug 28, 2006 03:20 PM Permalink
Dear Ashraf, this is not the case i.e. beard or non-beard. You have to understand the true fact that becuase of few people of the community, supported by most of the people of the community, not exposing by the rest of the people of community, the whole community has come under scanner. Now the terrorism became the synonymn with the community. It is now the responsibility of the good people of the community to expose the people whos supports terrorism, provide sheltor / logistics etc. and spread fundamentalism. Otherwise the community would be marginlised. You may be aware in many musilms people are not with beard, like Libya, Lebanan etc. Even as an Indian I could not understand why few people wants to seperate them from the cosmo society and exihibit fundamendalisms. Please teach your people before it become too late.
RE:Is Beard a sign of Terrorism??
by Asli Mussalmaan on Aug 25, 2006 10:56 PM Permalink
Start acting like good human beings.Wearing just the beard is not about being Muslim.Islam is not the religion of barbarians.It is the religion of Rabbul Alameen- the God of the entire universe ,Kareem-the god who gives, Raheem-the God who forgives.It's time for us to introspect and reflect and not react.This is just the beginning...think of what our children will go thru...THINK!
RE:Is Beard a sign of Terrorism??
by AMARESH on Aug 28, 2006 04:29 PM Permalink
Dear Ashraf, this is not the case i.e. beard or non-beard. You have to understand the true fact that becuase of few people of the community, supported by most of the people of the community, not exposing by the rest of the people of community, the whole community has come under scanner. Now the terrorism became the synonymn with the community. It is now the responsibility of the good people of the community to expose the people whos supports terrorism, provide sheltor / logistics etc. and spread fundamentalism. Otherwise the community would be marginlised. You may be aware in many musilms people are not with beard, like Libya, Lebanan etc. Even as an Indian I could not understand why few people wants to seperate them from the cosmo society and exihibit fundamendalisms. Please teach your people before it become too late.
RE:Is Beard a sign of Terrorism??
by GM on Aug 25, 2006 07:22 PM Permalink
Beard or muslim is not the question it was the way of there behaviour please dont try to raise the question of religion.
RE:they might not be terrorists but they sure are stupid
by pks on Aug 27, 2006 01:46 AM Permalink
Dear Aleynabi Rizvi, in the recent Mumbai blast, the local people of your community has provided all the support to kill innocent citizens and these people were from Mumbai. If your community people does not support to these terrorists, such henious crime is not possible. In fact the whole world are suspicious towards the community. Now it is the that good people should come forward, expose the criminals living with you, condemn the fundamentlism in the name of Islam and prove good civilian society.
RE:they might not be terrorists but they sure are stupid
by Aleynabi Rizvi on Aug 26, 2006 08:58 AM Permalink
Dear Mr Akshay It is not blaming whole world. I am concerned about these western paranoids and their so called allies. If it means whole world to you ,it is your opinion. If you fly frequently, you will observe this is a quite normal activity to exchange the seats particularly when people are tired in long flight . If two passengers agree to exchange their seats, I dont think it requires permission from some airport authority .It is general courtesy to inform cabin crew but not necessary unless a law is enforced to this effect due to the present security reasons. As far as I listened the news , they mentioned this reason (exchanging seats). But you wrote they were exchanging mobiles , even it does not mean to act the authorities in such a hyper way. Of course some communication gap must have been acted as fuel to fire. I do agree passengers should have been cautious due to present security reasons and must bear in mind some code of conduct to display. Same time authorities have to come up with some code of conduct to be displayed by passenger bearing in mind the fatigue and stress experienced in long flights.
This only proves the ignorance, hatered, stupidity, and islamphobia of these so called western civilization(read uncivilization).If growing beard is termed as terrorist, can anybody dare to ask these paranoids why Jesus is portraid having the beard.I do not mean to offend christian bothers.But frankly speaking most of the western world has misunderstood the true teaching of beloved Jesus, peace be upon him. These so called security concerns are not only against muslims but to any Asian oirgin with black skins,even Indian catholics are not spared.One of my catholic friend studying in UK was targeted because he looked like Pakistani.Height of Racsim.
RE:Our relatives are traders
by AMARESH on Aug 28, 2006 05:00 PM Permalink
Dear Aleynabi rizvi, I fully agree with you that for few mislead people the whole community cannot be marginalized. I understand your feelings and being a citizen of secular country I appreciate it. But there are few facts; despite that these are little bitter. The entire community is not bad (I strongly believe it) but it is also bitter truth that % of terrorists arrested, defame the whole community. Even the educated youth (I am talking about the people of our society) like one gentleman arrested in J&K for last year Delhi Blast during Dipawali season was an Executive of MNC, the recent arrest of JET Airways Executive in London etc. gives wrong signal. Further, it is unbelievable that without local support, be moral, logistical, shelter, local information etc. Delhi Blast, Godhra Train Carnage, Mumbai Blast etc. are not possible. I fully agree with you that the western people are more unruly but the suspiciousness is not there. I also travel frequently (including by train) and I have no hesitation to admit that I also become suspicious despite the fact I had never met with the person and there may not be anything. Earlier I did not have any such thing in my mind. Why this?
RE:Our relatives are traders
by PRASHANT on Aug 29, 2006 11:26 AM Permalink
Aleynabi Rizvi, your comments are of quite double standard. In the recent past the activities of your community leaders (Mufti, Maulvi, Hazi, Islamic Scholars etc., whether you would term them as misguided youths, stupid and ignorant characters, bad elements etc. but they lead you society), are mostly anti-Indian. You people do not spare even your females (even utter abusive languages), who brings glory and fame to our country / society (yours also), bears progressive mind; dare to break the clutches of barbaric thoughts, fetches respect from all community (other than yours also). I give below few details: SHABANA AZMI: An eminent theatre & film personality, daughter of very progressive couple (mother Shaukat Azmi, an eminent theatre personality, in a period when coming to the street for woman was seen as strange, father Kaifi Azmi, a great poet and theatre personality) but your religious leaders ornamented her with filthy languages (can not mention here) and Nautiwali. SANIA MIRZA: I need not to tell about her, as her name itself is sufficient. A teenage girl gets so call FATWA and advises, from dirty old, ugly, filthy people, who everyone knows contribution to society.
RE:Our relatives are traders
by Akshay on Aug 25, 2006 01:56 PM Permalink
It's not because they were muslims, if you listen to news properly, it's because they were passing their cellphones to other passengers and even after the crew informed that it is against the rules they did not heed their advice. Well that is enough to scare anyone out of their wits. So dont blame the whole world.
RE:Our relatives are traders
by Aleynabi rizvi on Aug 26, 2006 08:25 PM Permalink
There are always some bad elements every where irrespective of cast, color , creed religion and society. Does it mean whole community has to be marginalized because of some stupid and ignorant characters. If that so all religions ,communities and creeds fall in the same category. I do not need to elaborate the examples. You are wise enough to understand. What I fail to understand is this generalization theory only towards a particular community( more explicitly towards muslims).Only reasoning I have is that there is shear ignorance in all (including muslims).Muslims are not some tiny community in this world. Islam is the fastest growing and second largest religion in the world. The growing concern is there are always different opinions in the community and it is unlikely that a single leadership can guide them unless there is some miracle in this world. As far as I heared the news about explosive in milk bottles at London airport, it was some muslim youth only who tipped the authorites. But nobody seems to appreciate that. Instead flights are diverted, passengers revolt because they do not want to travel with two Arab speaking fellow passengers. The irony is so far no sound proof has been established still some are hell bent to prove their unknown fear.
RE:Our relatives are traders
by AMARESH on Aug 26, 2006 03:48 PM Permalink
Aleynabi Rizvi, you have to understand that becuase of few people of the community, supported by most of the people of the community, not exposing by the rest of the people of community, the whole community has come under scanner. Now the terrorism became the synonymn with the community. It is now the responsibility of the good people of the community to expose the people whos supports terrorism, provide sheltor / logistics etc. and spread fundamentalism. Otherwise the community would be marginlised.
RE:Our relatives are traders
by Aleynabi Rizvi on Aug 26, 2006 09:01 AM Permalink
Dear Mr Vee M Kay, supporting the Dutch authorities is in itself the example of ignorance and bias. When whole nation is questioning why 12 Indians were detained you are busy turning the topics into communalism. Say proudly JAI HIND.
It's high time we bring the actual perpetrators to book and not just resort to making unnecessary arrests as an eyewash for the public.
The administrators feel that they have to "do something" in order to make themselves realise that they are not worthless people and having mosses grow on their butts cos of which they arrest icconect people based on their whimsical doubts.
RE:hunt for scapegoats
by Sree on Aug 25, 2006 12:54 PM Permalink
Way to go... And if something had actually happened, then you would be the first one to cry hoarse that the authorities are inefficient!! Its just become a habit for people like you to cry foul and blame the authorities at every step! Even after reading the circumstances under which they decided to ground the plane, if this is what you feel about the whole deal, then, there's not much that can be done about it... Cheers, Sree
Well its very difficult to tell who is terrorist and who is not. But mainly most of the terrorism is happening in the world by radical islamist. So i think airline has every right to do to protect the passengers. If the detaines are innocent, they will be freed but nobody can blame the government or airline authorities.
