Listen to your guys...You hate Hitler...he fought the British and the Americans when the British were screwing the 3rd world 24/7 and the Americans were oppressing the blacks. Not to say that he was a saint, but WW-II was not a war between good and evil. It is not as Black & White as you think. Dr. Bose was keen on joining hands with the Japanese and the Germans to end the British rule in India. Would you be ashamed of him too? How much outcry did we hear from others when the prophet's cartoons were published? Wasn't that a sensitive issue for the Muslims?
Having said that, I believe owners should use the Swastik sign and remove the Hitler name...But hey, it is free country, isn't it ???
RE:Hehehe
by prabhakar on Sep 02, 2006 10:26 AM Permalink
We did hear a huge outcry when the Prophet's cartoons were published. It WAS an extremely disgusting thing that those cartoons were published. But how do you feel that publishing the cartoons somehow justifies the naming a restaurant after Hitler? Would you eat a restaurant named Ariel Sharon's Restaurant with a Star of David? Think about it.
This is a disgrace to India and Indian people. Let us not forget Hitler was a monster and killed millions of innocent Jews..It just makes me shudder that we have forgotten history so quickly...Authorities should take this place down ASAP..This is not India is all about..This is not our Dharm..
these guys r making a mess with a name thing i personally feel that this guy is really innovative idea to come out with such a name. And i definitely feel he's really getting the hype he needed to start of his new biz-nes.
Why not? If the food is good, I absolutely would. Do Europeans think twice before they buy thongs and slippers with Hindu religious symbols on them? And what's with this whole Hitler thing? There have been equally vile, if not worse personalities in history. Why is the massacre of jews THE holocaust? What about the millions killed during the partition of the Indian subcontinent? What about the millions killed in Rwanda? What about the millions killed in the Balkans? Oh, I forgot, they don't have the propaganda machine of Israel behind them. And before this post is taken to mean belittling Hitler's atrocities, I would like to point out that it's not just about the name of a restuarant. Ours is a free country. Let's put things in perspective. Let's not turn it into Europe where questioning the statistics of the jewish massacre by Hitler can land you in jail. If people like the food and the name, business will flourish, else it will die a natural death. Let people and the market decide. Let's put the idea of banning books and movies and restuarant names behind us.
RE:What's in a name?
by Satya on Aug 24, 2006 01:23 PM Permalink
Subhadeep, There were instances when European and American companies used Hindu Gods and Goddesses on thongs, slippers, toilet covers etc, but in each one of those instances, the products were removed and apology given when there were protests. So it should not be any justification for having Hitler's name for a restaurant in India. Besides, we as Indians, how sensitive are we to our own Gods and Goddesses? What about all those wine shops that have have the names of Gods?
And it is not correct to link, one event in history with another, just to justify something. Then if someone in Europe opens a retaurant with Dyer Diner or O'Dwyer Diner or Tuglaq's we as Indians would be enraged.
Just imagine how an average Jew would feel about it. Almost every Jew has someone in his anscestors who was killed in the holocaust. Its a deeply painful thing for them. Just imagine all those concentration camps where people were stuffed like sardines, starved and gassed mercilessly.
Having said that, I am not saying that the Govt should ban it. As individuals we should be sensitive to feelings of others, I think the owner himself should voluntarily remove it.
RE:What's in a name?
by Subhadeep on Aug 25, 2006 06:31 AM Permalink
Satya, No justification...only dispersing unnecessary stupidity. What has our country got to do with Hitler's atrocities anyway? These are all perceptions built up by people who were affected. Aren't there enough organizations, buildings, roads, non-governmental bodies in the US with Roosevelt's name? How do you think the descendents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki victims feel about that, after he presided over the worst single massacre in recent world history? Will you object if I open a restuarant called 'Roosevelt's Garden'? Probably not, because you were not affected. Bose tried to collaborate with Hitler to try to fight the British army. So what does that make him? Why don't you object to 'Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose Airport'? Yes, a 'General Dyer restuarant' would probably be offensive to me, but would I expect a tiny restuarant in a Manchester suburb to change its name because of that? Get real! If the omnipresent Jewish organizations of Europe and American can browbeat generations of guilt-ridden anglo-saxons to bow to their every unreasonable tantrum, let them do it there. We never had anything to do with it in the past, and we should not have now either.
I feel the owner's should retain the name of the restaurant. It is not glorifying Hitler or humilitating the Jews. This name should remind us that Sovereign God is in control and when His people fail or go against the principles laid by Him, then He raises people like Hitler for correction. Even today this principle works. Who divided India into Pakistan and India? Now the terrorism has reached even to them who divided the country. For every wrong action of man there is consequence following it. Though we may like to forget many names in the history, remember, they were allowed by a Sovereign God for a purpose and He removed them after their work was over. After all life is a Universal theatre with God as Director. At least to me this is what I am reminded off whenever I pass the reaturant.
All this noise about what , if a community was so upset they should have kept damn quiet and very few would have known , no the whole wide world knows it !!! When the government can allow a hindu deity to be printed on everythign from wall posters to foot mats cannot a restaurant be named after Hiter !!!!!
If the people dont want to go there then so be it, Its your choice. But please refrain from absurdity and stop wasting legal time !!!
First thing, no one should hurt the feelings of the german massacure... Second the term Hitler nower days represents total dictator and not a hate person ( I don't know why?) The todays generation idols him because of dictatorship and not for the hate he had in him.. so the owner should get good buiseness from them, yet total control over this is not a good idea..
I will surely eat at this restaurant. I dont think there is anything wrong or insensitive towards it. The restaurant is promoting its food not hitler. He was a bad guy but we was conquerer. So if they restaurant wants to conquer the foos world let them do it. Any I think what the jew nation has doing of late, i dont see a much diffrence between them and hitler.
RE:Why not ?
by ramya on Aug 24, 2006 09:07 PM Permalink
well said.you are correct.if ppl dont like to eat bcos of the name then they must shut their mouth instead of talking nonsense.if they were hurt,then what were they upto like what u said "goddess lakshmi photo on beer bottles"?
