Entertainments are indeed entertaining but should not be at the cost of a good family life, loss of time,character and the hard earned money, polluting of the mind,etc., while the same can be used productively in helping some poor people in the byeways or a patient in the hospital unable to pay for his medicine which is indeed more satisfying. It is the corrupt who want to overcome their guilt atleast temporarily by seeking such entertainments to please their eyes and sensual lust. One sin leads another sin! Both the entertainer and the entertained in this case promote sin. God has given man to choose and though it is upto them to decide, if only such outlets are banned goodness can be promoted! India need breeding grounds of goodness and not sin, in the name of entertainment.
Yes, dance bars should be allowed. Law should be same for all. Unless there is a specific description and definition approved by a court of law determining who can be responsible of misuse/abuse of human rights.
yeah..this is the continuation of my previous post >
the reality is, few bar galz are damn interested in pulling money out of ur pocked. Ok, they are not educated & poor and there are few dependants on them...i agree to this point. How much money is required for "roti--kapda-& makan" in mumbai, one of my very good frnd..a 16yr old gal, now she is 20. has a responsibility of her mom & dad-suffering from cancer. she has studies only till 4th. Now the question is how she can make living? will she dance in bar? or do any other work? yes....she does some other work in a factory & earns Rs. 2500 per month. and she is making good living. here in mumbai there are loads of factorys which offer such kind of jobs on daily wages.
But....bar dancers????
from where they come??? so far i have seen galz from "B'lore, Agra, Bangladesh, UP, MP..", do they come by their own or forcefully bought here?
I have no issues in how they earn? and wht govt. thinks abt them.
check my next post to know some intresting facts..that i have exprnced :))
Respected Sir/ Madam, In my view Dance Bars should be Closed. The bar girls & others Persons such as bar Attender,Pan Shop are nearly 1 to 2 lakhs . But if a single Boy / Man of a family starts to go to Bar. His whole family income goes to the Bar Girl who has many friends like Him. The Small children suffers , they have to drop out from schools . works at small age . No parents to look after them & then they join criminal. Thus crime rates increased . To save 1 - 2 lakhs persons we should not risk the entire society / culture. There should be mature customer as about or more than 35 years of age group. Ok Bye
I have strong reservations regarding the reservation policy of the government though it carries constitutional sanction and mandate under Art 16. There is no dispute regarding the purpose of positive discrimination - to emancipate the underprivileged - but the instrumentality of reservation for ushering in a more equitable social order is fundamentally flawed. Contrary to the popular perception, reservations aggravate instead of ameliorating the disparity between the haves and have-nots because access to the reserved jobs/posts is dependent adequate information dissemination. And that has always been in serious deficit. 50 years of neglect is a sad testimony to a laudable aim of affirmative action. The very fact that even after half a century of paying due diligence and obesience to the reservation scheme, the govt has not been able to prevent elections from being contested on narrow parochial lines of caste and religion and not issues of development, proves that the reservation policy being pursued by the government is in need of an overhaul. I would suggest that reservations should not only be irrevocably linked to the economic status of a person but the issue of affording a genuine and reasonable opportunity to the dispossessed, the downtrodden and the unlettered should be accorded top priority under the new dispensation. Because information is the key to enpowerment.
There should not be a problem if dance bars be allowed. They must restrict the timing and also stick to that. The problem was though the bars used to open at 2000 hrs, the dance girls would come only at 2130 or 2200 hrs by calling their regulars clients. Now here it used to be open till 0400 hrs. This is what must be stopped. You keep it open till maximum 0000 hrs.
From this u would have the safrety of the girls also. It is important that we resoect their profession. I have seen these in overseas also, but there you would have a bell which would tell you that you have just 15 minutes.
Wht RRR patil did?? No issues.......! Bars Association won the case?? No issues.........!
Here I would like to share few of my experiences with dance bars. I have visited few dance bars even after 15th Aug. By the name of Orchestra & Live music...the same "Zongat (Marathi word)" had been observed.
In such kind of bars, one can see approx 80% middle age rich croud.....am calling them "rich" b'coz they come in big cars, with the bundles of 10-50-100-500-1000 rupees notes. Thats my definition of rich people. The way they shower money..burns my a$$ so badly...bcos at a time i spend only 200Rs in bar, 110 for small pack rc. 50RS to a nice & good looking girl (yeh she really looks good, wht a babe .....) 20 for barman & 20 for the security guy who will park my bike safe and sound.
So, now i would like to turn to reality wht i have seen.! i contacted few bargalz and they agreed to give me their cell phone numbers (i succedded in this, bcoz i regulerly visited few bars) whenever i will call them they demand for money....wht the heck (why should i give my hard earned money to them, without gaining anything from them in back...! :) yes you are thinking ryt) -> contnd in nxt post>
Sir, Yes, Dance bars should be allowed. Association of hotels and bar owners associations argument of Ban was discriminatory is correct because the same type of dancing is going on in star hotels without any interference from public or Govt authorities. After all lot of girls are taking this as their profession and this is their livelihood, many others are also depending on it. I dont think that they are doing anything immoral things to our society. Their performance is not in an indecent manner or deprecating to the dignity of women comparing to our Film heroines item dances in Movies as well as model girls Fashion shows. We were well aware what was happened in the recent fashion show. So, the present verdict of Bombay high court is right and appropriate one.
RE: My question in reply to rediff question -- Should Humans wear Clothes ? Tell us ?
by nandita on Apr 13, 2006 03:27 PM Permalink
i dont support your view. it is a good thing and should be continued.here we can express our views, just like you have done it .after all we live in a democratic country.
RE: My question in reply to rediff question -- Should Humans wear Clothes ? Tell us ?
by mukesh on Apr 13, 2006 05:52 PM Permalink
AND this society is full of HYPOCRATES like you also. be honest with yur self at least.
RE: My question in reply to rediff question -- Should Humans wear Clothes ? Tell us ?
by Sri on Apr 13, 2006 07:14 PM Permalink
You are also from public. Don't think that you are in 10%. Dance bars should not reopen. It is good for them and for the public as well. I am referring to the girls in dance bars. Behind the dance bars, you don't know how the girls are treated. They are tortured, beaten., etc.
RE: My question in reply to rediff question -- Should Humans wear Clothes ? Tell us ?
by Vik on Apr 13, 2006 03:23 PM Permalink
how can you determine and/or convince that rediff is trying to undo the good systems which the Govt. is trying to bring in?
and who has authority to state what is good system by govt.?
public opinion is not to be taken absolutely seriously becuase they are opinions and not factual data supported by real surveys.
RE: My question in reply to rediff question -- Should Humans wear Clothes ? Tell us ?
by Rajkumar Walavalkar on Apr 13, 2006 02:36 PM Permalink
Poor DRT! He does not realise that much of humanity is downright naked and junglee even if they dress up quite nicely. As to the question on dance bars - I think prostitution should be legalised. Atleast the women will sell something of their own unlike the bloody politicians who are selling their own country people.
RE: My question in reply to rediff question -- Should Humans wear Clothes ? Tell us ?
by Sanjay on Apr 13, 2006 03:30 PM Permalink
Dear Sir, If you are not among the majority of thinkers then it goes to show that you got to start living in accordance to the changing times. Rediff is doing a great job by asking the public opinion for controversies. This is a nice way to know what the majority of public feel and its a nice way to express ourselves in our democratic country. Hail the Internet technology and hail its applications. It helps in spreading the knowledge which includes reality and public opinion. I know Reality Bites for some people but thats the age we are living in and people have to change. Thank you Rediff once again for the great job and I hope you keep up the good work for many more years to come.
And now my opinion : Let the dancers dance and earn their living. Let the people who have excess money, those who don't know what to do with it and people who have black money go and pour money on them and let them share their money with those thousands of beautiful women of my India. And people who dont like dance bars or dance girls - keep off from it and go home after ur work. Thats the best way to stop seeing it.
In short - Live and Let Live. Mind your own Business. Let India advance. Jai Hind.
RE: My question in reply to rediff question -- Should Humans wear Clothes ? Tell us ?
by Nikhil on Apr 19, 2006 08:05 PM Permalink
Quote: "90 % Public is filled with all sorts of crazy , idiots , psychos and fools"
Question: Are you one of the 90% or the remaining 10%? regardless of your answer (90 or 10) how do you your answer is true? Even if it is true, why should we believe you!
Recommendation: Respect anothers right to express their opinions. If you disagree do it respectfully!
RE: My question in reply to rediff question -- Should Humans wear Clothes ? Tell us ?
by partha biswas on Apr 14, 2006 11:54 AM Permalink
Since you think that most others are fools,it doesnot make you the wisest of intellectuals.Have you been to a dance bar ? I am sure you have not,since you feel you are a moralist, as does RR Patil.But what should be done about the poor girls,who support families by dancing in bars,which in any case also happens in 5 Star hotels too,where political big-wigs go to relax.In neither place is it a matter of immorality. There are MANY other immoral matters,like farmers committing suicides,hundreds living off the garbage from the streets.If the Government takes care of such matters,automatically poor girls will not have to go to dance bars to earn a living.You being an upright individual as you say you are,can you take atleast ONE of the unfortunate families under you wing and look after their living,just the bare needs in life,to eat two square meals a day,perhaps some suitable skills training and general care.If you can please come forward,or tell RR Patil to do needful. Let immorality and morality both take a back stage, let the government and you and me do our bit to give everyone means to a livelihood,then dance bars will vanish.Till then let the poor girls do what they are doing.
