India and its leaders after an elaborate, detailed description of the follies and partiality doled out to India, should declare a road map of withdrawl from the UN. It can begin with declaration on DATE for recalling all soldiers, declaration of DATES for withdrawl from other treaties etc. as being in UN is of no use to us. it has to made clear to the world that either india is IN with all powers or it is OUT. But can our leaders do it ?
I agree with the statements of the writer of this topic.It is really becomming unbearable as citizen of India to face such apathied.We can counter at individual level but when will our useless politician understand that there is something called self-esteem.The blunders made by Nehru has costed us too much.Its high time we remove the mantle of soft nation and punch back.It really kills me of not able to do anything when such issues are decided with no concent from the people even after our country being a democracy.
I feel if the G-4 don't get entry into UN with veto powers, G-4(India,Japan,Germany,Brazil) should inviting South Africa thus forming G-5,they should dump UN and form an alternative new organisation to United Nations and become permanent members of this newly formed organisation(maybe call the new organisation let's say United World).
No - India should not leave UN, that would be tantamount to pressure of backing off !! We should fight tooth and nail, and make our presence noticable by sending high profile high calibre representation to UN, rather than political appointees, who are weak and wilt under high profile diplomacy. Our Diplomats should be of sparkling personality, and able to mix and match at world arena. Our weekness is we are not able to lobby in the right places, and win influence from where it matters. Our wishes are high, but we are not able to turn this into reality. US have all the rooms bugged in UN, so before any Member Country would present their case, US is already prepared with the counter answers. Its also high time the UN is shifted from US, and probably position it in Europe or African continent - that would leave US become one amongst the rest of members, and take away their dominance.
If the UN has to prevent any wars, it is the Security Council that has to say so, and guess whose voice is loudest there! So if the UN appears useless, you need to direct that question to the United States - it is their fault.
And it is to reduce such US dominance that India shouldn't leave the UN - we should try our damnedest to get into the Security Council, with or without the veto. Once in, the efforts of all nations should be directed towards abolishing the veto.
As far as Kofi is concerned, he was just being practical and telling us the facts - there is nothing he can do either to give us the veto, or to take it away from the P5. It is silly to accuse him of apartheid, when the culprits are the US and its cronies.
It doesn't make sense to equate signing the NPT with UN membership - NPT is only one of many agreements. Even the US hasn't signed so many such agreements. If India leaves the UN, no one will miss us. But we will lose our voice in the international community, and be the only such nation- Switzerland joined up a couple of years back.
Looks like you need to have an in-depth conversation with your friend Shashi Tharoor to get your facts in perspective.
Even though at first reading, the case for retrieval seems strong, one must nevertheless remember that the UN has not been without its fair share of ups vis-a-vis world affiars. Granted that the behemoth is groaning under its own weight, yet to ditch it at this moment is akin to condemning the democratic process of any country for the ills conceived by a sundry few. I believe the remedy is to take charge and renew it from within. Unless good people take charge, we will have the white skins lording over us till hell freezes over.
RE:Getting out of the UN
by Abhik Ray on May 21, 2005 06:22 AM Permalink
Sandeep, I can not agree more. You have said the correct words. The problem is our politicians and their sidekicks who are a bunch of rustics, who are not only not intelligent, but also not aggressive (militarily and otherwise) at all. The nation is paying the price i n blood, money etc. Abhik
Some of the points raised by Mr Rajeev are absolutely correct. Indians have always been at the forefront of all Humanitarian cause. But internationally India has been only publicised as a backward looking nation and seeped in medival beliefs and where people are tortured. and most of the publicity has been done by our own so-called non-govenmental social organisation. what they present is a half-picture. Indians have always been used and canon-fodder , earlier by Britain and now by UN. and teh irony is even most of the Indians dont know that their valient soldiers are fighting for humanitarian causes in foreign lands. Govt of India should take care that more and more Indians know about its services. This also increases the feeling of national pride and remove some of the inhibitions which some sections of the society have.
Nehru was a great intellectual , but had always been carried away by the greed of gaining statesman image in the world and being called an apostal of peace. It was his great blunders which continue to haunt India in the form of Kashmir militancy, China's occupation of Indian territory, Backward looking ideology , etc.,
Perish the thought...our great babus & their sycophants/court jesters will lose out on all those plum assignments carrying pensions in excess of what their Indian salaries are...since we are so good at boycotting,or atleast disrupting, proceedings (a la Lok Sabha sessions ) why can\'t we extend the same technology to UN proceedings? This can also serve as a CBM with our equally rowdy/ill-disciplined brethren across the border, and we can wholly monopolise session after session with shrill debates.It should work even without the Lalu gang/the Q-gang..
UN membership
by Vijaya Kumar on May 19, 2005 07:12 PM Permalink
Leaving UN will not have much effect yet. Yes, UN is a useless body which allowed and supported the carnage in Bangaladesh and Kashmir. It was no help to India. By leaving, now, Indians will achieve nothing. Once it becomes a super power, (if it ever will), then leaving it leveas fear in the international community. vk
A major blunder was committed by not joining the UN as sixth member of the security council. We should shed our image of being a soft state and if necessary withdraw from the UN if we are unable to get the security council seat with full veto power. As an emerging economic power house we should let the world know that we cannot be taken for granted.
