what does a poor man do with highly expensive nuclear power, that too by 2050 and only < 20%??? 1 unit of nuclear power comes to the least 15 to 20 Rs., and top up it with corruption, it will end up at whooping 25Rs./ unit. Govt. will provide with subsidy, but for how long before govt. cries foul? Govt. will then tax the industries whose products' cost will rise, like soaps and detergents, urea and other fertilizers, etc... will it benefit the common man???
Re: What will a poor man do with N bomb or power???
by Dipak Bose on Sep 07, 2008 04:57 PM Permalink
Poor men and women paid for ENRON and UNION CARBIDE. They will pay again for junk American nuclear plants, when The Congress leaders will collect their Dollar bribes in their Swiss Bank Accounts.
In 1998. India planned 6 tests, but went ahead with only 5. When asked why not the 6th, Vajpayee replied "No need. We have all the data". Data required that avoids physical testing and depend on computer simulation. This is why shewred Vajpayee announced a voluntary moratorium on testing and followed it up by nearly signing NPT and CTBT.
That testing argument is a bogey is apparent when one appreciates the last test by the 5 Nuclear Powers:
France January 27, 1996 Operation Xouthos (Fangataufa) China July 29, 1996, underground. USA September 23, 1992 Russia October 24, 1990. UK Julin Bristol, November 26, 1991,
This is because of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT) bans all nuclear explosions in all environments, for military or civilian purposes. The Treaty was opened for signature in New York on 24 September 1996, when it was signed by 71 States, including five of the eight then nuclear-capable states. The CTBT has now been signed by 178 states and ratified by 144.
Though China and US has not signed the CTBT, they too follow a voluntary moratorium as India does. India joins these two powers in voluntary moratorium through the 123 Agreement. So where's the sell out? It is the Left and BJP - the Sino-Pak stooges who soldout the country.
Re: Nuclear Testing - Just a Bogey
by Brij D on Sep 07, 2008 06:42 AM Permalink
U.S. and China can ride out any feeble sanctions put on them. The sanctions on India will hurt the economy far, far more. Do not be an idiot.
Re: Nuclear Testing - Just a Bogey
by ashish sinha on Sep 07, 2008 07:48 AM Permalink
no dont worry much.. onc the US is well integrated with indian economy and i am sure it will be... its unlikely that india will face sanctions.
lots of american companies r gonna make a killing by doing busines in india... and the lureof money pervades all foreign policy in USA.
they will do what their intersts dictate, not any principle that suggests them to ban nuclear testers.
Re: Nuclear Testing - Just a Bogey
by raheem vaheed on Sep 07, 2008 03:20 PM Permalink
All Right and Ashish....do not parade your stupid brains here....When do you think the major powers first tested their atomic or nuclear bombs? And, when was the last? Do you notice the time gap? Why did they take so long? Not just because of lack of technology but also because of the need for thorough analysis to determine when and what kind of tests were required. Besides, most have only not tested...not pledged never to test. Understand the difference.
When Vajpayeeji stated that no more tests were required, he meant "at that point of time". He did not mean for ever.
By the way, leaving this testing question aside, what are the benefits to India? Nothing. No assurance of unrestricted access to fuel or dual use technology.
And what did we lose? Everything. Weakened and thoroughly exposed diplomatically, paraded our empty heads, begged even nuclear nobodies to pardon us and made fools of ourselves by forgetting the basics of politics and foreign policy. Wish that wise sage of politics "Chanakya" were alive today.
Re: future Nuclear test is a must for our security
by sunil sirohi on Sep 07, 2008 10:05 AM Permalink
I am a common man. -kindly ask the writer of such idiotic article to sell me a small such bomb I can blast this diwali ! -what does a common man do with the arjun tank, or the army, or the borders, or the isro projects which never succeed??
Re: security first Mr.Rediff, WAKE UP
by ashish sinha on Sep 07, 2008 07:51 AM Permalink
agree with u 100%... socia welfare and all the stuff next... security first..
god forbid.. if we keep focussing on poverty etc, then one day chineese soldiers will be raping our women in fields...
then we will see what the poor man needs.
so pls stop such nonsense debate... rediff..
people who think that nuclear bomb is not for poor man are short sighted and fail to see the big picture.
Re: security first Mr.Rediff, WAKE UP
by Brij D on Sep 07, 2008 06:45 AM Permalink
Even a poor man's life will be WORSE if India is unable to fight off challenges to its interests and to its security.
The establishment of IITs / IIMs didn't help in the prices of lentils either, but does that mean that the IITs took resources away from food production?
The captional question as to what would a poor man do with a nuclear bomb may be impertinent in the present context of modern times,but all other aspects of his unstinted loyalty, obedience & best wishes for the royal family he has been serving ever since his birth send a loud message as to the values he cherished & the innocent adoption & thei retention in these present times which is just running after materialism with abysmal regard for the enshrined values of ancient days.He conveys to the unorganised culture of the present day servants-whether private or public that ones job is just to obey the orders of the boss and not to question it as long as they are right.Padam Singh type of people is a rare species which is becoming totally extinct thanks to the mediocrity of the present so called intelligence.It also throws to light as to how a boss should respect his servants or subordinates when he quotes that his ruler never addresses him as "thum"but respectfully prefers to use"aap".The article is fully reminiscent of the typical household servants of a rich family in the villages who exactly behave in a similar way and are always interested in the welfare of the masters they choose to serve.By no stretch of imagination,I should be misunderstood of advocating servitude,but my emphasis is on absolute loyalty of a servant to his master even in trying times.Padam Singh proves like great "Hanuman of ancient "Ramayana" times worth emulation by the believers in loyalty to masters.
"What will the poor man do with a nuclear bomb" is inappropriate for the column. The column is a commentary on the life of a sentinel of a fort in Jodhpur. His knowledge about the nuclear deal is limited. The deal is not about the bomb, but about continuous supply of enriched nuclear material for production of nuclear energy. Infact the nuclear deal will to a large extend cap India'a ability to carry out any further nuclear tests. In his inability to understand inflation and the resultant frustration Padam Singh is comparing the two hot current issues. The nuclear deal and price rise. The heading for the column is totally out of context.
This columnist/writer must be one of the biggest idiots. Giving some few century old mindset person's view as the most authentic one and using it as an example to write on the 21st century deterrent, nuclear bomb! Why go out with costly clothes on? Why not go out nude?
Re: Using apple as an example to write on orange!
by ramakant on Sep 06, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
because prices of leaves and banana skins will go up...
here is the deal: Nuclear bomb means less chance of war, less chance of war means less diversions to prosperity due to war. More prosperity means more money. More money means more production of dal. More dal means lower prices...no wonder he is on the hookah...
Re: flawed logic...
by raheem vaheed on Sep 07, 2008 03:32 PM Permalink
Fool, do you ever think before writing? Do not dream. Reality is not that simple as you thought.
Nuclear energy at huge cost (and not assured too) that too available only 10 years or later (god knows what the price of nuclear energy will be then) and that does not even meet more than 5% of our needs...Is it worth the hype?
Besides, nuclear energy is not totally green...and we do have better options....solar, wind, wave and others that will prove to be better if only we provided enough incentives & funding to let entrepreneurs take advantage of the emerging opps. instead of wasting thousands of crores on this white elephant.
