RE:Beijing Olympics will be a turning point: Tibetans
by ashish tiwari on Mar 18, 2008 09:22 AM Permalink
Nothing comes for free. We liberated Kargil, gained independence at the cost of so many lives.
There is no need of Mossad or CIA or FBI to find out what is happening in Tibet against China. Tibetans have all moral support from India but when it comes to any intrusions to China, India will blindly backout by helping Chinese. No other country is helping Tibetans. To intrude into the secret service of Chinese system, Tibetans have no help other than India.
USA can help in every manner, but they will ask for a higher price in return like a base in Tibet, which will not be acceptable to India.
Tibetans should do what other terrorist countries are doing. But these people are Dalai Lama's followers and believe in peaceful settlement which will not happen with China.
If the world objects the Beijing olympics on the ground that China is doing Human Rights Violation by supressing Tibetan voice, they will be isolated and will bend the rules. But country like India should take lead, which in all probability, seems to be impossible as per the present scenerio. When India itself is maligned due to Nandigram episode, we have limited options.
Tibetans in USA and UK and other European countries can put pressure and make China accept what ever Tibetans want before olympics. This is the only chance Tibetans for a long time to come.
In 1950, China first invaded Tibet. At that time, Harry Truman and later on, Eisenhower - requested Nehru to give permission to US Army troops to set up base in India and attack the Chinese Army and repel the invaders. Tibet would have been an ideal buffer state and would have fulfilled the same role as Afghanistan and Bhutan. Remember, Afghanistan has always been friendly with India and has always been at odds with Pakistan. Same could have happened with Tibet.
Nehru wanted to show himself as a emerging leader of the non aligned world and had always been left of centre and pro communist. He refused Trueman. This would cost us dearly in 1962 when China attacked us and defeated us in the North East. A defeat of China would have ensured that communism did not spread and would have weakened China militarily. When confronted with a real military power, the Chinese have always faltered - be it the Sino Russian war in Ussuryisk Krai in 1969 or the border war with Vietnam.
In 1958, the Khampas - traditional tibetan warriors - resisted the Chinese gallantly but were all routed.
India should now strongly take up the cause of Tibet. Tibet is the baby seal of freedom movements round the world. We are now economically strong and do not have to kowtow to the Chinese.
RE:Nehru to blame for Tibet
by Kaushik Ganguli on Mar 17, 2008 05:22 PM Permalink
And what are you? You would break your pen trying to write your name. So keep shut.
RE:Nehru to blame for Tibet
by member on Mar 17, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
Nehru was a coward and a lady follower. Neither he could solve kashmir nor China. If we gave him lady mountbatten and a can of beer he would have left in a ship to Barbados and we would not have suffered so much misery.
RE:Nehru to blame for Tibet
by Rakesh Bhandari on Mar 17, 2008 03:29 PM Permalink
My dear writer, listion, agar mahatma gandhi,Jawahar Lal Nehru is desh ke servey serva nahi rahte to aaj bharat super duper power hota, As regards China, Ek Hindustani 5 Chinese bono ko kuchal sakta hai. Sirf jaroorat thi sahi faisle lene ki jo in dono ne akele hi le liye. Abhi bhi hume jaagna hai to in dono ko bhool jaao. itihaas se inka namo nishan mita do, ye dono abhi bhi itihaas ke panno mein rah kar humare desh ko deemak laga rahe hain. aagey aap khud samajhdar ho.
RE:Nehru to blame for Tibet
by Rakesh Bhandari on Mar 17, 2008 05:57 PM Permalink
sun o bengali geethar, tum logon ne is country ko communism diya hai, jiski wajash se aaj hindustan china ko jhel raha, tu bhi bam panthi hoga bewakoof. Jabhi to itnee tej jubaan hai teri, tum sare bengali kayar hotey ho
RE:Nehru to blame for Tibet
by BR on Mar 21, 2008 02:05 AM Permalink
abey Bhandari. at least check out facts whether what kaushil said is true or not, before wasting time and debating energy on communist vs. womaniser vs. whatever vs. SRK
This is the reason India haas never been able to resolve border issues. I guess the same thing happenfs in the Parliament!
Talk about issues, and investigate issues and get proofs
What is your conyribution to this important piece of world news, other than callign fellow Indians unnecessary names?
RE:Nehru to blame for Tibet
by om prakash pandey on Mar 17, 2008 02:50 PM Permalink
Talk of buffer state and it is hight of intelligence believing that such regional aspiration after realising their goal mostly turn their eye. Bangla desh is a imediate example it is creating no less hostilatalities against India than Pakistan.These tibetians are major threat to India than China. Dalai the Budhist guru has been instrumental in dalit conversions to Budhism.Hinduism is no longer a majority in India. Sikhs, Muslims, Jains, Christians,now Budhist seperated from Hindu community. Imagine what next? Mayawati Queen of Daluistan and state relgion budhism,and Dalai the spiritual guru, like Pope.All living in Present Indian Land.Chinese are not going to concede a inch of land for Tibetians. Another example is Taliban, Let us learn from history, taliban created by Pakistan is turned hostile now is fighting war against Pakistan. Let us not blame the great leaders like Nehru and see beyond what meets the eye.
RE:Nehru to blame for Tibet
by ashish tiwari on Mar 18, 2008 09:28 AM Permalink
What an insane comment!! get ur head checked Mr Om prakash. Dalits are Hindus and Hindus should stay together. You want them divided just like Raj Thakery. Taliban is very different from the Tibeti Monks, just like you are different from a street dog.
RE:Nehru to blame for Tibet
by on Mar 17, 2008 03:32 PM Permalink
I am a chinese,Why you see us as an enemy?We would like to be a friend of you,but you don,t. we are not afraid of you,because we thirst of peace,not war! you said you "are now economically strong and do not have to kowtow to the Chinese." I wanna to tell you that Chinese GDP is 3 times than yours. 1840--1949,China is waring nearly everyday.So we don"t like war anymore.
RE:Nehru to blame for Tibet
by Rakesh Bhandari on Mar 17, 2008 03:44 PM Permalink
listion Mr.Chinese, is this fair to intrudes in territory of your neighvours and capture it focefully, now your stomuch is full and u r going to be a friend. What happened in 1962, If we not struggle with some corrupt politicians in India. one Indian is sufficient for five tiny chinese. Do not teach the lesson of 3 times GDP. This is all due to our corrupt politicians, otherwise china not stands anywhere against India. If you really want to friendship with India, first of all give us the 90 thousnad illigally captured area of India, as well as Tibet
RE:Nehru to blame for Tibet
by MK on Mar 17, 2008 09:37 PM Permalink
yours is communist gdp which is overinfalted , our real gdp everyone knows is underreported samje cheeni
RE:Nehru to blame for Tibet
by Vijay urf Teesmar Singh on Mar 17, 2008 03:36 PM Permalink
If you are a Chinese, then you are really an enemy to India. A Chinese can never be trusted at all. Once Nehru trusted them, and they stabbed in back. How can we believe on you?
RE:RE:Nehru to blame for Tibet
by ashish tiwari on Mar 18, 2008 09:40 AM Permalink
The free and democractic world sees the Chinese Communist party government as our enemy and not the chinese. Even Chinese are also against communists because they believe in suppression of human rights. We have seen what chinese people want at the Tienanaman Square so many years ago..
If we Talk about our country then its Foolish No 1 who is not ready to learn anything from Past mistakes. Right from Begining of Independence India lost oppurtunities every time. During Nehru time India got chance to Merge Tibet But again repeat mistake was done by Hindu party BJP when vajpayee declared Tibet as part of China. Even Yesterday also Indias soft stand on Tibet reflects that India still has fear of china. While continue incursions in Arunachal and Tawang takes place from china and still not officially recognising Sikkim as Part of India and also Burst Indian Army posts telling India not to keep military there.? why?
On other hand BJP done other mistake during Kargil war
Another mistake during Parliament attack, got golden oppurtunity to teach Pakistan full and final lessons but?we want peace ?
Again lst oppurtunity during Operations Parakram and Army was forced to stay on Border for 1 year as Vajpayee told AAR PAAR KI LADAAI KAR DENGE.? what happed? we are peace loving country.
We have elected 540 Jokers rest nothing.
what Policy we have to throw 5 crore bangladeshis? what Policy we have to combat terrorism?
What Policy we have against Naxals?
We have Jokers in Defence and Foreign Policies
Tibet is a Part of India and Indian Govt must send strong message to China and also support them fully.
RE:Tibet
by 24by7 on Mar 17, 2008 02:51 PM Permalink
Don't b tat angry, it's not so easy to fight with dagron wch too strong to fight with,I do unstand ur expressover,still war slash blood only not any conclusion
RE:Tibet
by sasikumar on Mar 17, 2008 04:15 PM Permalink
It is not so easy man! There is always blood behind the war. India is growing very fast now. This is not right time for war. Economically we need to get strengthened our country first. Diplomatically we have to solve the problems.
We should not opt WAR suddenly. Then we have to loose thousands of crores. Again it is time for development not for WAR.
Our government should allow the same status to Tibetans as Indians. They should be allowed freedom to engage in peacefull demonstrations. Indian government should stop wooing governments abroad and make life hell for those living within. Fascism color of China is biding its time to raise its ugly head until after Olympics. The Chinese officials are already scrambling to deny the bloods on their hands. They probably have pulled the first leaf out of Kim Jong Il's favorite book on how to supress innocent civilians. Many best luck to Tibetans for their struggle.
It is a black spot on the humanity that China is suppressing human rights of Tibet by Army. Tibet must be free from the dragon mouth of China. This is a time of Democracy and freedom. How a nationa can be kept in colonial state for long? India must do every thing to get Tibet free. Til then it shoudl stop all talks and cut all relations with China.
RE:JUST BOYCOTT
by fivestar on Mar 17, 2008 02:15 PM Permalink
CHINA IS A GARBAGE COMMUNIST COUNTRY....... IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY ELIGIBILITY TO CONDUCT OLYMPIC GAMES.
U.N leader should ask CHINA ? but U.N leader is like our PM, he is puppet of U.S
RE:JUST BOYCOTT
by Koduvayur on Mar 17, 2008 02:27 PM Permalink
May be you are not totally wrong. But do not forget that CHINA is a permanent security council member, the second superpower (After US OF A) in the world and she will soon overtake US and will become the only Superpower. Rubbing them on the wrong side will be disastrus. I am not saying that we should be their puppets but we must take care all measures before dealing with them.
RE:JUST BOYCOTT
by ashish tiwari on Mar 18, 2008 09:34 AM Permalink
China is to India what India is to Pakistan.. but Pakistan does not fear India and helps the Kashmiri terrorists. So why should we fear the chinese? Its just the question of manhood which the 500 odd jokers we elect do not have.
