Why commies routed out of industrial units by working claa people in Mumbai & joined Bhartiya kamgar Sena (Affiliated to Shivsena)??? These working class consists of not only Marathi people also peoples from other states. I am one of them.
Sahadevan KK please explain why commies have been routed out of Mumbai???
There is not a sinlge corporator of Commies in Mumbai municipal corp.
RE:Why commies have been routed out of Mumbai
by Aadi Manav on Jun 18, 2008 12:17 PM Permalink
The commies were systematically wiped out out of Mumbai by the blessings of the Congress and the Mill owners loby at that time in Mumbai. Shiv sena was provided with money and protection by the then Zchief minister of Maharashtra,mr. Vasantrao Naik.The first political murder that shivsena committed was that of Comred Krishna Desai in which Bal Thackrey was directly involved. The shivsainik took the blame onto themselves to save Bal Thackrey. The demon of Shivsena was created and nurtured by Congress to marginalise the Communists who were having strong hold in Mumbai & were spreading in rest of Maharashtra. Today the same shivsena has boomranged onto Congress. This reminds me of few more example like 1)The terrorism supported by Congress in Punjab Boomranged onto it 2)The support to LTTE terrorists in Srl Liank resulted in the same 3)Osama Bin Laden was once supported by USA to fight against USSR 4)VHP/Bajrang Dal were supported by BJP. Sooner or later they would alo boomrang on the BJP
RE:Why commies have been routed out of Mumbai
by Nostra Damus on Jun 18, 2008 01:10 PM Permalink
Your analogy does not hold true. If Rajiv Gandhi had continued his mother's support of the LTTE, India would have a strong secure hold in its vulnerable underbelly. But then, everyone does not have Mrs. Indira Gandhi's genius.
RE:Why commies have been routed out of Mumbai
by niranjan inamdar on Jun 18, 2008 01:43 PM Permalink
see thereare no party ideologies,but ideology is to eat money,by getting power,so those local goondas dont get tickets started migrating to other partys so in 1 family 4 sons are there ,1 son each in 1 party,so whoever comes to power,the power is enjoyed by the same family goondas ,even if u take survey, u ll find no party workers knows party manifestos,principles,80 per cent goondas are ruling india,ok, some good politicians still there,
Communism in Mumbai was at its most powerful when stalwarts like S A Dange, P K Atre and S M Joshi were at the forefront of the Samyukta Maharashtra movement. The battle for a unilingual Marathi state was almost entirely fought by the Left. After the battle was won in 1960, the decline of Communist forces began in this city. The decline has been dramatic, so much so that there is no Communist party organisation worth its name in Mumbai today. For one, the mill workers, who formed the backbone of the Communist movement have been devastated. They have lost their jobs, and with the resultant poverty, their will to fight.
Attacks on Communism and its adherents took place from all sides. When the Congress governments in the 60s realised it was tough to contain the Communist unions, they brought in toughies like the Shiv Sena to break the Communists' hold on mills and factories.
The Marathi vs non-Marathi theory propounded by the Sena was wrong, but it was upheld by the workers' fraternity because of risingunemployment. The Sena argument did not provide any answer to mill workers' problems, it only gave them an ``enemy'' to target. ``If you hit 'em, hurl a stone at 'em, you'll get what you've been deprived of,'' the slogan went. And the workers fell prey to it.
The rival unions, whether belonging to Datta Samant or the Sena or someone else, made
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by mahabodhi on Jun 18, 2008 02:51 PM Permalink
The rival unions, whether belonging to Datta Samant or the Sena or someone else, made fantastic demands which they themselves knew could not be met by mill managements. Our demands were realistic, but the workers were swayed by the apparently promising but, in actual fact, misleading demands of our political opponents.
Where we went wrong was in taking a page from their playbook. As the workers were weaned away by our adversaries, we failed to create awareness among the workers on what was in their real interest. Instead, as we gradually started losing our ground and were pushed back by other parties and their unions, we started blaming people in the party for the failure. Fingers were pointed by leaders at one another, and intra-party conflictsstarted taking their toll. Once forward movement stops, there is a need for introspection. But what the Communists did was not self-introspection but mud-slinging. That made the Communists directionless.
During Dange's time, the party used to organise study circles where youths were given intellectual inputs about the socio-economic-political nature of the problems plaguing society. That helped youngsters understand issues in their totality. As youths became impetuous and very violent due to the widening influence of intolerant forces, the Communists failed to continue with this intellectual education. There was nobody to tell youngsters what actually lay at the bottom of their problems. The Communists' inability to explain thi
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by mahabodhi on Jun 18, 2008 02:54 PM Permalink
The failure of Communism has not been the failure of ideology. The ideology is still very powerful and more relevant today than ever before. The opening up of the economy is going to create more problems for the city, the state and the country, and the only option we will have to turn to is Communism. The changeover to a Communistic pattern of society may not come too soon, but it is unavoidable. People have already begun questioningthe so-called advantages of liberalisation and globalisation and the culture spawned by such economic systems.
However, Communism will rise only when the gap between ideology and its implementation is bridged. And the methodolody of implementation has to be modern. We cannot go back to Communism as it existed at the time of Marx, Engels or Lenin. Times have changed, and so have the social and economic circumstances. We must implement a new Communism in keeping with the spirit of the times. Only then will the long-losing streak of Communists in this city come to an end.
RE:RE:Why commies have been routed out of Mumbai
by RAVINDRA NATH on Jun 23, 2008 10:40 AM Permalink
"The failure of Communism has not been the failure of ideology. The ideology is still very powerful" The above quote from your analysis on the failure of the communism in Mumbai`s Trade Unionism may be partyly true but, to say that the ideology is still powerful is total nonsense! What is the answer to the decline communist ideology in the rest of the world? The China seems to be abandoned it and in erstwhile USSR, it is totally wiped out. You want to say it was `methodology of implementation` failed in these countries,then nobody can improve on these methodology of implementation than it was done in these countries The basic reason for the failure of the communism was that it did not take into account of human psychology and nature in formulating the ideology. The inherent talent and hard work in every human beings can be stifled by the ideology of communism. It obstruct these traits of human beings from coming out into open and thereby bettering his lot. The people here are not started questioning the liberalism, as you say, but surprised to see its benefits and want to question the leaders, who put them under the wrap of leftist policies in all these years in the name of socialism!!
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by mahabodhi on Jun 18, 2008 02:53 PM Permalink
During Dange's time, the party used to organise study circles where youths were given intellectual inputs about the socio-economic-political nature of the problems plaguing society. That helped youngsters understand issues in their totality. As youths became impetuous and very violent due to the widening influence of intolerant forces, the Communists failed to continue with this intellectual education. There was nobody to tell youngsters what actually lay at the bottom of their problems. The Communists' inability to explain things in perspective also contributed to the slow death of inquisitiveness and the urge to understand among the city's youth. The hunger for grasping the essence of important issues through a thorough dissection of such issues was thus extinguished. The Communist parties cannot shakeoff their responsibility for not halting this process.
Other vices of society too caught up with the Communists, but one that still hasn't is corruption. Leaders like Ahilya Rangnekar and G L Reddy still lead the simplest of lives and are untouched by corruption. Self-sacrifice is still the abiding trait. Just the other day, Harkishen Singh Surjeet followed in the footsteps of one of our Mumbai-based comrades Hardikar and donated half his property to the party (After the split in the Communist party, Hardikar had given equal shares of his property to the CPI and the CPI-M).
The failure of Communism has not been the failure of ideology. The ideology is still very powerf
RE:Why commies have been routed out of Mumbai
by nachiketa patnaik on Jun 18, 2008 04:57 PM Permalink
if u say thers no ideology they r working!! then u have a gap or lack of knowledge bot d same!! Pl tell me how often have u voted?? If they r goondas & u are aware of the fact what have u done 2 stop them come 2 power? They say ballot is mighter than bullet!
RE:CPI ( M ) Quit India
by satyarthi on Jun 18, 2008 01:38 PM Permalink
Once CPI (Brahmin converts) was ruling Kerala. Now CPM (Nair converts) is ruling, with full support from Muslim League, the party responsible for partition. CPM helped ML to survive and grow, in turn ML made them rich by few tousand crore of petro dollars.
RE:RE:CPI ( M ) Quit India
by nachiketa patnaik on Jun 18, 2008 05:16 PM Permalink
wow gr8 facts man!! people of india knew bot it man!! CBI is of no use then if it is unable 2 frame the communists 4 crores illegal money! if u have so much of evidence against them please go ahead,u can be the next big thing ater Sharukh khan/Manmohan singh
RE:Karat is a BIG FOOL
by nachiketa patnaik on Jun 18, 2008 01:06 PM Permalink
If anybody feels Karat is a big fool,please come up with a solution to the problem. Criticising somebody is the best thing half educated indians have learnt. Why have no body heard of some one called "knnankx" heard as KARAT?? Every body needs a Bhagat Singh but at their neighbours place.. So deserve & then desire..
why the media is giving these idiots so much attention.It is a conspiracy by media barons who in collusion with the congress thrive on disinformation on a daily basis: Who the hell is bothered about what karat or his wife or the other morons in the CPI(M)think--let them rot in WB,kerala and tripura where progress has taken a back seat--winning seats by coercion and terror is no reflection on democratic popularity--they are using the same old excuse of keeping the communal forces at bay to cosy up to the congress and rule without accountability. I hope the electorates in these states consign these anti nationals to the dustbin
RE:cant comprehend
by nachiketa patnaik on Jun 18, 2008 01:15 PM Permalink
PLEASE BE AN ALTERNATIVE TO STOP THIS SO CALLED CONSPIRACY. I AM SURE THIS GENTLE MEN LIVES IN SOME METRO CITY WHO CAN JUST BLAME POLITICIANS FOR ALL WRONG THAT IS HAPPENING. BUT NEVER TAKEN A STEP TOWARDS ANY SOLUTION! ARE THESE STATES(BENGAL,TRIPURA,KERALA) NOT A PART OF INDIA?? THIS SHOWS THE LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS GENTLE MEN,PROBLY THATS THE REASON WHY THERE IS NO DISCUSSION BOT THIS "VOXPOPULI"
RE:cant comprehend
by SUDIP on Jun 18, 2008 11:35 AM Permalink
Dear in WB atleast election doesn't happen... ppl are bombed by goons of CPIM known as COMRADES and they Goons of CPIM vote .... See Nandigram
RE:RE:cant comprehend
by nachiketa patnaik on Jun 18, 2008 01:31 PM Permalink
DEAR WHERE WERE U ?? ALL THESE WHILE?? SO MUCH OF INJUSTICE 4 MORE THAN 30 YRS. THTS A LONG TIME?? PL BE A PART OF THIS CHANGE I WOULD LOVE 2 SALUTE U AS AN ALTERNATE LEADER.. HOPE U LIVE UP 2 MY EXPECTATION..
RE:Nano car is a project of Left Government.
by satyarthi on Jun 18, 2008 01:31 PM Permalink
It requires bhakti marg with RED IQ to complete the book. Anyway, I tried it during my inter (plus two) days, but could not complete. After a gap of four years, the book was forced upon me, I took the short cut 'Maurice Dobb' to complete my course. Ofcourse Paul Sweezy was under prohibited list.
RE:Nano car is a project of Left Government.
by raj on Jun 18, 2008 11:14 AM Permalink
Karat is saying in India 54 per cent children below 5 are malnourished. But Karat never told that why out of 54 per cent, 40 per cent malnourished children are from West Bengal and Bihar.
billionaires have created employment opportunities, what your party had did, eating funds, thats all, dont criticize when you have done nothing to the country
RE:open ur eyes mr.karat
by nachiketa patnaik on Jun 18, 2008 01:21 PM Permalink
please count if u could remember 'What good have u been to the society/country so far??? U'll get the answer.. Neither u have become a billionare nor a responsible citizen. So they say "Shrishthi ko badlo ya apni drishthi ko badlo"
The following are the achievements of the great communists in India: 1) Called our Nethaji a Dog 2) Supported China during the Indo-Sino 1962 War 3) Started Naxalism in India which is now killing innocent tribals and villagers 4) Were against the computerization of govt offices in the 80’s during Rajiv Gandhi's tenure 5) Set up unions and stalled work in all Public sectors in India by conducting flash strikes 6) Deprived the public of essential services by supporting govt employees and unions 7) Pathetic service by all public sectors and govt employees coz of trade unions .. 8) Oppose privatization tooth and nail which will bring transparency and infrastructure 9) Work only in the interests of China 10) Made Kerala and West Bengal lag behind the rest of India in employment, industries and agriculture. Kerala will starve if there no food supply from TN, AP & Karnataka 11) Kerala and Bengal states with high literacy dont have jobs and have to migrate to other states or countries for work 12) Stalled the Nuclear deal which will bring energy to all the poor in India coz its American 12) Killed thousands and terrorising the villagers in Nandigram
Hail the Indian communists who always act against the interests of Indians and India. They want only Chinese to prosper. THey want only the public servants to prosper and not the public. Brothers and sisters living in Kerala and W.Bengal please vote out the communists and save our country
RE:Achievements of Indian communists
by jacky on Jun 18, 2008 11:19 AM Permalink
ask them what they have done in 30 years in WB. most beggers of world live in that place.
what they expect from nation for poverty alleviation. ask them to speek out only specific to WB and kolkata. dont worry about other parts of country which is better than WB
RE:Achievements of Indian communists
by seenu on Jun 18, 2008 11:22 AM Permalink
You are rightly said Natesh !! 200% correct... We have to throw these Commies into Arabian Sea...
RE:Achievements of Indian communists
by nachiketa patnaik on Jun 18, 2008 05:24 PM Permalink
but can u stop ur blood flowing in ur veins?? its red & it will live long!
