position the deal in favor or against. The deal has few good points and intentions, but there are some gray areas which needs to be made clear in the parliament before it's signed. The ares like treating India as non-nuclear state, putting our reactors under perpetual external inspections without guarantee of perpetual fuel supply, etc. After all this hangama we will only get any benefit after 12 years and that too will satisfy 10-15% of energy needs. So why this hurry? It's not like now or never.
RE:Depending on if you are supporter or opposer, you can always
by Sahadevan KK on Jul 11, 2008 04:54 PM Permalink
People are singing on Congress at Restaurants, parks, streets, buses and trains where they meet. Congress smell goes globally. Smelly Congress will reach at the climax before Elections. SHAMELESS PEOPLE WHO WRITE FOR MONEY!I am happy to write this thing on Message board. Now it is itself true. Congress has broken its own leg. It ordered for artificial leg. Congress did this thing only because they do not like to do good work for people. Congress recd a big slap on its 'dash' point. A little but time will take to stand aright. It is an outcome of 60 years' anti-people policy. Congress has broken its own leg. It ordered for artificial leg. NO NUMBERS. Our PM will face another NUCLEAR FEVER as he suffered in the previous week. This fever is not like Chicken Pox. It comes again and again, then again and again.
Dear citizens, donot just have a pre occupied mind, heatred towards US, and prime minister MR.M. Singh is not a bad person, It is sure that he si trying to do something good for India.I'm not very sure, but my knowledge the Hyde act- is each countries national Law, US will have their law and India is haveing our Law. So we are not going to do things in India living in India according to US law, So their Hyde act will not affect India. India has not took part in any law makeing process in the US. Like we pass our Laws in our parliement. So our law is for us and their Law is for them. opposition parties are trying just to get power, don't get carried away in that. this is what I feel
RE:N-deal
by Vijay A on Jul 11, 2008 06:55 PM Permalink
US surely has its own Hyde act by which US president is bound, but what is preventing MMS to pass similar law in Indian parliament? Why is he not passing a law by which PM of India would be bound? Even before this deal is signed we have already seen the effect of US law on India when we had to abandon our policy and vote against Iran at IAEA under pressure from US congress. Do you think this contry's politicians under leaderhip of foreigner can withstand pressure from US?
So now India needs to conform US foreign policy. They will tell us who is our friends and enemies. I am right. Can anyone please focus on this statement and explain me what is exactly means - "Hyde Act could be used to terminate the 123 Agreement not only in the eventuality of a nuclear test but also for India not conforming to US foreign policy"
RE:re:Hyde Act could be used to terminate the 123 Agreement not only in the eventuality of a nuclear test but also for India not conforming to US foreign policy
by Sahadevan KK on Jul 11, 2008 10:34 AM Permalink
NO NUMBERS. Our PM will face another NUCLEAR FEVER as he suffered in the previous week. This fever is not like Chicken Pox. It comes again and again, then again and again.
RE:re:Hyde Act could be used to terminate the 123 Agreement not only in the eventuality of a nuclear test but also for India not conforming to US foreign policy
by Vijayan on Jul 11, 2008 11:08 AM Permalink
Hyde Act is an internal US act, which cannot be forced on any other country. We are a sovereign country and need not conform to any internal acts of another country. Once the deal is thru, its the US companies which will invest in India, and they will never loose their money because of an act. The IAEA clause of alternate fuel arrangement will guarantee fuel resources for India if things come to a pass.
We will bring the govt. down.. Rediff, we urge you to support us!
Now this IAEA darft sounds good, I know. When BJP comes to power, we will enter into N-Deal agreement with so many other countries on the basis of that agreement. Then BJP will finally get all the credit! We can forget abt Hyde act and US legislations fully also then! No issues in using this text as a basis of trade with other countries!
RE:Congress shudnt be allowed to get credit!
by arun gupta on Jul 11, 2008 12:07 PM Permalink
Have you read the complete text of the agreement with various clauses referred in it or your comments are based on the text appearing in news papers? Appearance are sometimes very deceptive.
UPA Govt lost its credibility in handling the issue of draft safeguard agreement of the IAEA which they all along maintained as "Privileged Document". But they made is public only after the US web site made it public. This action of the Govt is questionable. This double speak has eroded the credibility of the Govt. This was unnecessary because the safeguards agreement text favours India's position. It would ensure continuous supply of nuclear fuel besides no cap on test.The civil nuclear reactors alone are subject to inspection by IAEA and India is fully committed to carry on its nuclear weapon programme. Pranab also made a mistake in maintaining that the operationalisation of the deal would be done after floor test. But before that circulation of the text to IAEA was only to save the time. This argument would not hold good as the very continuation of the Govt was in doubt and that Moily assertion that if the trust vote is failed, Govt would withdraw the text only add to the confusion. Responsible Govt Ministers speaking in different tones contradicting each other,makes a mockery of the whole nuclear game.When it is clear that the text is clear, they would not have called it a "Secret" document. Public would now judge the Govt's double speak in the matter.BJP and Communists would take full advantage of the speed with which this was done and intention is suspect.PM was right in moving ahead with the trust vote and it is sure to win as and when it is held proving critics wrong.
RE:IAEA Safeguard Agreement - Govt Bungling
by venkkata ramana on Jul 11, 2008 10:54 AM Permalink
Hope all our educated M.P will go through the agreement and with thier knowledge they should vote to their concious as they are repressenting the citizens of India if any decison it is the decision of citezens. So please be cautious and keep aside your party and vote
dear friends, i have not been able to understand the projection of 2030 or 2020 because india's energy need is more than 100 times larger than what is being projected through n-deal i.e. 2052 mw. the uranium reserves are limited, we can't expect our needs to be fullfilled through uranium energy plants even 10%. even if the n-deal gets operationalised, the first energy we will get from it not earlier than 2020. than why this is so much hue and cry? moreover indian scientists are working to build reacter to get energy through thorium, and thorium reserves are so ample in india that it is sufficient for world need for more than 1000 years. china recently has developed a small prototype of reacter based on thorium. when our scientists are working on such thorium based reactres why we should not provide them more and more adequate fascilities because through thorium to get energy it will also take as much same time as it is projected through uranim. once thorium based reactres get operationalise fully it will solve the world energy crisis. than why we are running to US for uranium based deal on US terms which is not going to fullfill our 2% energy need by 2030 as being projecte?
RE:The Indo-US nuclear deal
by Jack Sparrow on Jul 11, 2008 09:09 AM Permalink
because, for the thorium reactors to start functioning, we need plutonium which is a by product of uranium fission.. so, we need uranium for this reason..
also, if we use up our scientists on developing our own indigenous thorium reactor, it would take another 100 years to materialize but after this deal, India can buy thorium reactors from canada who are pioneers in building reactors... they already have functional thorium fast breeder reactors and is ready to lend the technology to India and N-deal is signed..!!
RE:The Indo-US nuclear deal
by ravishankar singh on Jul 11, 2008 10:29 AM Permalink
my dear jack sparrow, it is true that to functionalise thorium based reacters uranium is needed but in very small quantity and that much is avialable in india or india will be able to get it. what i feel that US is eyeing over our vast thorium resevoirs as it has done in Arab over petrolium by providing technical know how US has become masters of the Arabs fuel reservoirs . similarly US is eying over our vast reserves of thorium by traping indian government through its Hyde Act and indian sovereignty is going to hide befor Hyde! why should we not wait for some time and engage our scientists to exclarate thorium based reacters rather falling into trap of US as it has done in Arab countries for fuel?
Out of 120 crore(Approx) people a mere handful of Left and BJP representatives of the people are not the only intelligent ones(due respect to Prakash Karat and Jetly).Our country has millions of very bright and intelligent men and women whose decision should be treated as final.One had been elected to the Parliament doesnot mean you can take liberty to license and oppose progressive deals that would benefit this nation in the long run.Intervension of the judiciary is very much required to arrest the anti-nation propogandas.Most of our politicians visit foreign countries at the expense of public money when ever they get an opportunity, informing that they are going for medical treatment or to study better infrastructure of the country they visit to introduce those infrastructure for our benefit.Just name one politician who has done such a nice thing.
RE:Indo-US N-Deal
by Prakash Asrani on Jul 11, 2008 09:09 AM Permalink
Vinay, Have you noticed that Arun Jaitley has not uttered a single word against N-Deal? It is idiots like rude Rudy, Rajnath without any Raj and 82 year old bhudavoo LKA shouting from roof tops against the deal and conspiring with leftists who are stubborn due to their ego problems.
"The US has its national laws, as does India. This does not make Indian laws applicable to the US, or vice versa." This is what the govn is explained...so it suggest that Hyde Act is bounded to nuclear deal...and they can quiet the deal if we does something that is not in favour of US policies like the Iran pipeline issues...they will not lose anything if they pull out of the deal...but india will lose millions of rupees in establishing the reactors and other equipments.... wht will we do with thta...???? Will Mr.PM and Ms. sonia madam will make it as their home...???
why they cant wait for the parliment decision?? is they are above parliment?????
The incedents of last few days have exposed how congress and upa are folling Indian public telling white lies and hiding vital security informations detremental to INDIA NOW AND IN FUTURE.(Remember all old congresses shell die in 10/15 years but then young generation shall have to pay for their sins). NO arguments be permitted by president from UPA OR CONGRESS WHOare now fully engaged in hoarse trading and blackmailing? to all smaller parties for trust vote. Probably this is what PM has learned from US who is doing the same on globale basis to retaintheir power. Effect of Globalisation?
RE:sly play by PM AND CONGRESS
by Prakash Asrani on Jul 11, 2008 08:42 AM Permalink
But 82 year old bhudavoo LK Advani will die much before and he is the one who wants to ride on N-deal to become PM,the post which is still not vacant. Since B(ad) J(oker) Party does not have any horses but only donkeys it should not be worried about horse trading.Got it Markand?
RE:sly play by PM AND CONGRESS
by markand desai on Jul 11, 2008 08:52 AM Permalink
Thats why a cakk is put for all young generation who can think clear subjectively and not do politics of arguments as is being done by you Mr.Asrani.
RE:sly play by PM AND CONGRESS
by ajith raj on Jul 11, 2008 08:45 AM Permalink
why are u Mr.Prakash going into political view... Hw can anyone support a deal which is not public..???
