RE:JGN ....
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 03:56 PM Permalink
Have you read Panchatantra or Mullah Naseeruddin stories? Or Vikram and Vetal? You are just writing something even without knowing what its contents are.
Anyway, it is better if you do not read any (repeat any) religious scriptures as they only create mental pollution.
RE:JGN ....
by Sanjay Baxi on Jul 10, 2008 04:51 PM Permalink
Mr. eagle American, you are certainly not an american, you must be a New York Cabbie/Delivery Boy from Punjab
RE:JGN ....
by Vibhakar Kelkar on Jul 10, 2008 05:46 PM Permalink
We are all getting educated and we welcome changes. But you will still cling to age old tradition and practice and will never tolerate any thing different. And you wanted others to change!!! What a pity!
RE:JGN ....
by Santa Singh on Jul 10, 2008 06:00 PM Permalink
Hey Eagle American...your name sounds very interesting. Tell me honestly who was with your mother to produce you....was it an eagle or an American....or your mother is not sure about that...
RE:JGN ....
by Jerkovski on Jul 10, 2008 11:50 PM Permalink
Eagle American
Most of what you read about hinduism in the west is the bias created by christian missionaries during the british raj.
To understand hinduism and its fantastic stories (I agree the stories may or may not be true in all cases but serve the purpose of setting examples for people) you need to start with the vedas.
now - let me guess - you have only heard of the vedas and never read any of them right ?
So - its like this - you seem to be defending islam in a snide sort of way - by ranting about hinduism as the christian missionaries or muslim mullahs told you.
I have no interest in teaching you hinduism or what I think are its good points - but you need to either have a decent debate or be abused like you yourself do.
RE:JGN ....
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 04:09 PM Permalink
My dear Rationalist, pl don't persist with religious dogmas. Mahabharata is an epic and it is just the imagination of the author. An epic is neither historical record nor "gospel truth"
RE:RE:JGN ....
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 04:20 PM Permalink
Ofcourse its no Gospel truth. But much higher than that as it is open to analysis,questions.
RE:JGN ....
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 04:33 PM Permalink
Yes, that is the saving grace of hinduism. Despite all short-comings, hinduism is dynamic enough to change with the time. Change with the time or time will change you.
And the main drawback of Islam is their refusal to change with the time. They want every one to believe that what is written in their book is some "divine revealation" for all time to come and can never be changed or questioned.
RE:JGN ....
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 04:18 PM Permalink
Not necessarly imagination. It may be based on incedents also.They carry descriptions such accurately.Hindhu scriptures available are not documented when created. Most of them are preserved by transfering from person to person. That does not mean they are all imaginary.But I just wanted to clarify your misunderstanding as biased to one family that you mentioned. That's all.But greatly demonstrate Dharma and helpful in choosing the right path at times of conflict.Rest is left to your understanding.
RE:JGN ....
by sadaChiddi on Jul 10, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
hi Rationalist?have u ever read Sherlock Holmes novel?Sir Arthur Canon used all real places in his novel to give the thrill of realism. so much so that people send mails to the street addresses mentioned in the novel. Do some justice to your 'Rationalist'
RE:JGN ....
by Rationalist on Jul 11, 2008 12:19 AM Permalink
Read properly with your eyes wide open.Then wear sada chaddi or ragged chaddi whatever suit to you.I said that what written in Mahabharatha could be based on incedents. But your crap books, I know for sure it is not God's word. Only fools can beleive some self declared messenger of God.
RE:RE:@ Rationalist
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 03:21 PM Permalink
Sure Mr.JGN. I would be intrested to read it in my free time. But one thing I would like you to understand is that Dritarastra was not eligible to ascend the throne as he was blind and a person who ruled the country could not be a handicap. When he went to Himalayas in pusit of cure to his impotence he leaves the crown with Dritirastra to be returned back on his arrival.
RE:@ Rationalist
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 03:25 PM Permalink
You are mixing up things. Pandu was cursed by a Rishi that he would die if he enjoy marital life with his wife as he had killed the Rishi's mate who were in disguise as "deer".
Of ocurse Dritarashtra was not eligible due to blindness, but his eldest Son would have been eligible.
Pandavas were not even sons of Pandu (due to above said curse). Atleast Kauravas were sons of Dritarashtra (albeit division of fetus by Veda Vyasa)!!!!!
RE:@ Rationalist
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 03:43 PM Permalink
eagle american, pl don't jump to conclusions. Pl read my messages below. I treat Mahabharata as an Epic containing some good morals and universal truths. Nothing more than that.
RE:RE:@ Rationalist
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 03:50 PM Permalink
have you read the Mahabharata? A major portion of the same is sub-plots - stories narrated by the well-wishers visiting the Pandavas in exile - like the story of Nala and Damayanti to lighten their burden during stay in the forests and make them understand that even good people face adversities. Read it as a story - I do not claim that it is some divine revealation, etc. Don't jump to conclusions.
RE:@ Rationalist
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 04:07 PM Permalink
How can his eldest son be eligible when his father himself was not the actual king? As I said you it was Dritrastra ruling in place of Pandu. Any way Pandavas did'nt ask for the entire kingdom.They asked for a rightful place on this earth.
RE:@ Rationalist
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 04:14 PM Permalink
This is a story to make people understand what would be the result of greed. Who was the rightful successor is not the question. Pandavas were the sons of Dharma Deva, Indra, Vayu and Ashwini Devas (not Pandus!) So they had no right to succession.
This is like the Congress party leaders and workers claiming that Ms. Sonia Gandhi has the right to become the PM of our Country by virtue of her marriage to a member of Nehru-Gandhi family!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:@ Rationalist
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 04:31 PM Permalink
Then Dritarastra was also not eligible as he was son of Vedavyasa who was not the King.
RE:@ Rationalist
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 04:39 PM Permalink
I have written above: >>>>>>>>This is a story to make people understand what would be the result of greed.............the result of Satyavati's greed to make her son the king and subsequent events..........otherwise Bhishma Pitamaha (Devavrata) would have been the King!
RE:@ Rationalist
by shakil ansari on Jul 10, 2008 03:35 PM Permalink
DEAR JGN UR ASSERSION THAT WE MUSLIM TREAT HINDUS AS OUR ENEMIES IS INCORRECT AND SPECIFICALLY DENIED. IN FACT WE SEE U AS OUR ELDERS BROTHERS
RE:RE:@ Rationalist
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 03:47 PM Permalink
Dear shakil ansari, I do not harbour any hatred for the followers of any religion. I only questin the superstitions. I have a very close muslim friend who quote from Gita quite often and we mockingly tell him that you are muslim only in name! Some other Muslim friends are even atheists like me.
Pl visit the web of "Actual Freedom - the third alternative" This is an alternative to organized religions. This will also give you some knowledge about the basic human behaviour and the reasons behind them.
Pl try to understand that all the religions were created by vested interests for controlling the gullible masses.
When there are lakhs of followers for Sri Sri Ravi Shanker, Mata Amritanandamayi, Benny Hinn, etc even in 21st century, you could very well imagine what would have been the condition centuries ago.
RE:@ Rationalist
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 04:00 PM Permalink
That way even Pandu & Dritirastra were not from Bharata lienage. They were from Vyasa lienage. But the value system that existed during that periord was different. Then foster father was more important than just biological father.
RE:@ Rationalist
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 04:05 PM Permalink
Dear Rationalist, why are you again trying to justify something written in an Epic? What ever it is, it was the imagination of the author. An Epic is not historical record nor "gospel truth"
RE:RE:@ Rationalist
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 04:08 PM Permalink
Not necessarly imagination. It may be based on incedents also.But greatly demonstrate Dharma.
RE:RE:@ Rationalist
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 04:13 PM Permalink
Hindhu scriptures available are not documented when created. Most of them are preserved by transfering from person to person. That does not mean they are all imaginary.
RE:RE:@ Rationalist
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 04:10 PM Permalink
But I just wanted to clarify your misunderstanding as biased to one family that you mentioned. That's all.
If you ask this to president hamid karzai he will say yes without any doubt infact he blames ISI and Pakistan for every single terrorist activities happening in his country.
ISI has spread poison in the venom of afghan people and today they are feeling their mistake. This insurgency has lead them to do all the law level work for afghan boys and girl. so many Young boys and girls are in really bad business today.
Why should we south asian believe any western and ME prophetism. They told god has sent the prophet then why any prophet did not came to South and far east asia. Why southa asian should belive in fairytale created some far distance.
RE:The story of god
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 02:17 PM Permalink
The business of "Prophet" was started by Moses. He was murderer from Egypt hiding in the hills of Sinai. He fooled the Israelites. The same tradition was continued by Jesus and Muhammed. Quran is a plagrised version of The Old Testament (Torah).
RE:The story of god
by shakil ansari on Jul 10, 2008 02:24 PM Permalink
JGN WHAT ABOUT UR OWN RELIGION HINDUISM WHERE A PERSON PUT HIS WIFE ON BET AND HE LOOSES AND IN CONSEQENSE OF THAT THAT WOMEN DROPDI IS HUMILIATED.STILL THAT FELLOW IS CALLED A DRAMRAJ CAN U EXPLAIN IT THERE IS NO HISTORICAL PROOF OF MOOSES AS MURDERER IF SO SATISFY US
RE:The story of god
by CaptJackSparrow on Jul 10, 2008 02:28 PM Permalink
Dear hinduism is very big religion and so many people following it by full heart. If any single people like yudhisthir did mistake for that you cant put all hindu on fire. If you ask i will show you so many this kind example of the people from your community,
RE:RE:The story of god
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
According to the book of Exodus, Moses was born to a Hebrew mother who hid him when a Pharaoh ordered all newborn Hebrew boys to be killed, and ended up being adopted into the Egyptian royal family.
After killing an Egyptian slave master, he fled and became a shepherd, and was later commanded by God to deliver the Hebrews from slavery.
RE:The story of god
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 02:27 PM Permalink
You are quoting something written in a story. Mahabharati is an Epic (story) and as mentioned below also, the incidents mentioned therein existed only in the imagtination of the author.
The Author of Mahabharata was partial to one family. As per modern civil laws, the Pandavas were not even eligible to rule to Kingdom as Pandu was ruling on behalf of his elder brother (Dritarashtra) as he was blind.
Pl do not try to justify historical truth with something written in stories.
RE:RE:The story of god
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 02:51 PM Permalink
Mr.JGN,What you read is not important. You must understand the delicate intricancies to apprecaiate the perfection attained in narration. Anyways there are many people who have written it in many ways. Each of them have their own heros. One such version is written by Shri SL Bairappa as "para" kannada translated into 14 languages more realistically.
RE:RE:The story of god
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 02:37 PM Permalink
Also Pandavas were ready to settle for least he could do for them. But he snatched back their kingdom & after that failed to return as promised. Do'nt comment without understanding.
RE:RE:The story of god
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 02:45 PM Permalink
Dear Rationalist, why should I justify something written in an Epic? Mahabharata is a good epic containing some good morals and universal truth. I do not read anything more into that.
RE:RE:The story of god
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 02:54 PM Permalink
Mr.JGN,No need to justify.It is not important what you read into it. But to understand wrt to the situation during those periord which was more liberal in thinking without any man made rules, but based only on fairness.
RE:The story of god
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 02:54 PM Permalink
Rationalist, are you talkig about Veda Vyasa's Mahabharata? If so, Pandu was ruling on behalf of Dritarashtra. Both were sons of Veda Vyasa born to Amba and Ambika. The third brother (rather half-brother is Vidura - born to the maid of one of them).
The story in the form of narration by Vaisampayana at the funeral of Parikshit, the last Kind of Kuru Vamsa.
RE:RE:The story of god
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 02:59 PM Permalink
You are absolutely wrong. Dritirastra never ascended the throne before as he was blind he was never eligible.It was only when Pandu decides to leave for salvation to Himalayas when names him as the king till time he returns.
RE:The story of god
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 03:02 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>>>Pandu decides to leave for salvation to Himalayas............pandu did not leave for Himalayas............he died due to the curse of a Rishi.........Madri committed Sati along with him........hope you know the reason.............so not eleborating.
RE:RE:The story of god
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 02:29 PM Permalink
Pl download and read The Necessity of Atheism by Dr. D.M. Brooks freely available at Project Gutenberg. He has vividly described the "noble works" done in the name of religions.
RE:The story of god
by raghav on Jul 10, 2008 02:36 PM Permalink
JGN IT SEEMS TO ME THAT U ARE ATHIST BUT STILL U KEEP ON CRITISISING ISLAM,CHRISTNITY,MOSES WHY DONT U TAKE CARE ILLS IN UR RELIGION WHICH IS PLAGUED BY SATI WHICH IS STILL PRACTICE ALBIET SECREATLY,TANTRIC KILLING AND OTHER FORMS OF SOCIALL EVIL
RE:RE:The story of god
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 02:39 PM Permalink
I do not beleive in the dogmas of any religion. Even if I do not beleive in any god, I can still be a hindu. No high-priest can declare me a non-hindu.
Every one of us should get rid of the outdated religius dogmas.
And of course, I would contradict any one ridiculing our native culture as I know for sure what are the loop holes in Christianity and Islam.
RE:The story of god
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 03:11 PM Permalink
Dear shakil ansari, I am hailing a place where we have nearly 20% muslims. I know your customs and practices very well. There are many "babas" etc doing black magic. Some "belgali babas" are very active even in places like Mumbai, Pune, etc.
In our naive place there was custom called "writing on the plate" Here the Maulavi writes something in Arbic on a ceramic plate and the devotee drinks water from that plate soon after.
I have even seen many Muslims offering oil for lamps, etc in many temples (similarly the hindus also go to Dargah, etc and offer prayers).
We all share the same ethnicity, customs, practices, etc. We are closer to you than the Arabs. Then why do you want to treat the hindus as your enemies?
RE:The story of god
by DAWA JACOB on Jul 10, 2008 05:41 PM Permalink
am a believer in Christ(his principles of peace) but i thin JGN has made a great point...atheism is not responsible for any blood shed in the history of humanity...but religions has a blood stained history...all religious books(quran,bible,geeta)all are tampered with n structured in a way to narrow our vision against fellow human being...it applies 2 all religions...
RE:RE:The story of god
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 02:43 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>TANTRIC KILLING ..........even muslims practice the same. A few moths I had seen on a current affairs programme of IndiaTV about a muslim woman from UP killing her son of about 17 years and another child of about 4 years or so at the instance of some "baba" for peace and prosperity in her family!!!!!!!!!!! Why do you want to segregate people on the basis of caste, creed, colour, religion, region, etc?
Though I question the superstitions in every faith, I do not harbour hatred for the followers of any religion. I have personally helpped many Christians and Muslims, may be more than hindus.
RE:FREEDOM
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 02:24 PM Permalink
You want to cover the whole earth with tombs one day? Burning is the most environment freindly, hygenic way of creamnating unlike Arabs, Europeans who burry as they can't get fire wood due to their climate. And it suits to Hindhu philosophy which preaches to shed worldly attractions & attachemnt to perishable things as human body.
RE:RE:RE:FREEDOM
by DAWA JACOB on Jul 10, 2008 05:46 PM Permalink
what you use to burn dead bodies...plastic or rubber...you shuld know that 2 burn a dead body..you need to cut a tree...it causes a lot of pollutio... desposing a dead body by electruction is the best way
RE:FREEDOM
by CaptJackSparrow on Jul 10, 2008 02:22 PM Permalink
It is very pure ritual to putting fire on dead people. It is scientifically true also (ask every japanese they prefer same ritual as us). I dont know why you people make grave and poison the mother earth. Also your dead body can become easy victim of wild animal and water.
Your other story like brahmin and shudar etc are fairytale like britisher told you. I never seen such incidence in my life. I dont know if you repeat your family tradition.
RE:FREEDOM
by Commie Fool on Jul 10, 2008 02:53 PM Permalink
Convert to Sanatan Dharma (which English media calls Hinduism) and i'll explain everything to you. If you want your answers before that, just google 'Sanatan Dharma'.
RE:FREEDOM
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 02:08 PM Permalink
Have you seen Zeenat Aman is Satyam, Shivam Sundaram? If you see those scenes today, you would run to the nearest Medical store to buy a strip of "avomin"!
RE:FREEDOM
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 02:21 PM Permalink
My dear shakil ansari, some absurd beliefs or practices of the hindus are no justification for others to justify even more absurd beliefs and practices.
The Hindus have come out of 19th century. When will the Muslims come out of the 7th century Arabia? That is the million dollar question.
RE:FREEDOM
by CaptJackSparrow on Jul 10, 2008 02:18 PM Permalink
Dont tell everybody to your story. I feel really sad to see your mother and other dancing in public and xposing every1.
Arab loves toilet cleaner from south asia. They dont give them citizenship irrespective of their religion. Arab is good people which have maximum number of slave on earth.
RE:The Skeptics Annotated Bible
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 01:44 PM Permalink
I do not believe in any god. Even if a god exists, he does not need some "messenger" or "prophet" to spread his message. Why he could not have revealed what ever he wanted to say for all to hear like the sun-light we all can see???? Why did he select people from the arid West Asia only??? Any logical explanation?
RE:The Skeptics Annotated Bible
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 02:00 PM Permalink
You are just parroting. The business of "Prophet" was started by Moses. He was murderer from Egypt hiding in the hills of Sinai. He fooled the Isralites. The same tradition was continued by Jesus and Muhammed. Quran is a plagrised version of The Old Testament (torah).
RE:The Skeptics Annotated Bible
by raghav on Jul 10, 2008 01:55 PM Permalink
DEAR JGN U CLAIM THAT U ARE ATTHIST BUT STILL CONTINUE TO ATTACK ISLAM WHY DONT U SAY SOME ABOUT HIUISM WHICH IS FULL OF CONTRODICTINS
RE:RE:The Skeptics Annotated Bible
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 02:02 PM Permalink
Yes, hinduism is also full of contradictions. In fact all religius scriptures are a bunch of lies. Some aburd belief of the hindus do not make the hate-filled verses of The Quran "gospel truth".
Btw Hinduism is not a religion in its narrow sense. It is a conglomeration of various beliefs and even non-belief. Atheists existed even in Vedic era and were called "Charvakas or Chaturvedis".
RE:RE:The Skeptics Annotated Bible
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 01:48 PM Permalink
If god is "one" why the Arabs and Jews (brothers under the skin - like Idnians and Pakistanis) fighting for the supremacy of their respective gods??? Why do you think that those who do not beleive in "Allah" are all kafirs and needs to be eleminated from planet earth? Why do you say "fight till the religion is for Allah" ? Does Allah need any religion?? A good portion of The Quran is devoted for describing what the "most merciful creator" would do to the non-belieivers in the life-hereafter! The Allah described in The Quran is more vengeful than a Las Vegas or an Italian Mafia Don!
RE:The Skeptics Annotated Bible
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 01:39 PM Permalink
MAHABARATA and RAMAYANA are stories. The episodes mentioned in them were the imaginations of the author.
I have heard that if some one takes drugs, even more bizare plots would evolve in their brain. We have the "un-ending" hindi serials in front of us as examples!!!!!!
1. The fanaticism is high 2. The self perception is high 3. They are both pseudosophisticated pseudointellectuals 4. Anytime I post against them I recieve fatwas 5. They both are programmed to think 6. They create economic or political havoc whereever they go
RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 12:57 PM Permalink
Mr.balaord, forget about dress code. Woemn are treated just as s*ex objects in Islam. There are enough Quranic verses to prove this. Do you want me to quote them? The muslim women are not allowed to go out without the Company of a male relative in Saudi and other Islamic countries. Is this practical in the 21st century?
Do you think that the male members just pounce on the females who do not wear the Burqua in all other societies around the world?
Some time back I had hear Ms. Rakshanda Khan telling on a reality show that even wearing Burqua is of no use as people just stare at the burqua clad woman and imagine what lies inside!!!!!!
RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by Majed Ali on Jul 10, 2008 01:00 PM Permalink
Dear JGN, There are enough Quranic verses that say men and women are equal. Islam cannot survive for 50 years if women in Islam decide that. Infact women are more religious than men. My remember my mother used to be more strict about religon than my father. My sister and wife offer more prayers than I do. Women are the base of our society the day we lose their loyalty we will lose our religion. So stop spreading this nonsense. You are not going win anything out of hate mongering.
RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 01:05 PM Permalink
The Quran is a book containing contradictory verses. While the good muslims quote the good verses, the Mullahs quote the hate-filled verses and brainwash the impressionable youth to "fight in the cause of Allah"!!
The Paradise stocked with abundant supply of "wine, women, water, fruits, etc" existed only in the fertile imaginatin of some sur-realistic visionary. The poor fellow could imagine about things available in plenty on planet earth even in the "Paradise" !!!!!!!!!
RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 01:17 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>We muslims belive earth,heavens and averything in between is a creation of GOD............I am not under any compulsion to believe in such absurdities. Then why the GOD had not created "one religion" for all to follow? Why there are over 2000 religions the world over and hundreds of sects in some of them?
When there are more inqualities on planet earth (geographically, economically, physically,etc) what makes you beleive that the GOD is going to treat every one "equally" in the life here-after?
RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by Braveheart on Jul 10, 2008 01:14 PM Permalink
Contradictory for foools who just try to be over smart...Its takes much brains even for scholars to interpret the exact Quranic verses.. And Hijab is bad only bcoz it is prescribed in Islam???WHo forces the muslim gals in Europe to wear headscarves??
RE:RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 01:19 PM Permalink
Braveheart, pl search for The Skeptics Annotated Bible for category-wise verses like Absurdities, Contradictions, Hatred, Good-stuff, etc from The Bible, The Quran and The Book of Mormon. Pl read them and understand for yourself. The Qruan in inheently violent.
RE:RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 01:37 PM Permalink
Braveheart, I have read 2 versions (English translations) of The Quran and know for sure what its contents are. Anyone can get a copy of The Quran free from Project Gutenberg. Pl read in a language you fully understand rather than depneding on somebody else's interpretation.
RE:RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by Braveheart on Jul 10, 2008 01:31 PM Permalink
Hi JGN..the problem wid u is u dont have any knowledge(of urs) abt truth...just google search...if this is banned,u might suffocate!! Let em tell u onething...read material which is genuine...I cant go thro anything posted by anyone...If u search ur net,u can cum across hundreds of bibles each wid a different meaning!!!Morever,everyone knows media!
RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 01:13 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>peer reviewed??????? I had given you an equally stunning example of Barbara Waltz and Uri Geller!
Nobody is aksing for roaming without dress, but any dess that is modest is enough. It need not be a back veil.
RE:RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by Braveheart on Jul 10, 2008 01:21 PM Permalink
WELL ITS UPTO WOMEN TO DECIDE WHICH DRESS IS GUD FOR THEM...WHY R U WORRYING SO MUCH???...SOME WOMEN LIKE HIJAB SO THEY FOLLOW IT...SOME DONT LIKE...THEY DONT FOLLOW...HIJAB IS PRESCRIBED IN ISLAM WITH SUITABLE NORMS...FOR UR KNOWLEDGE,VIEL IS NOT A PART OF HIJAB...SOME WOMEN LIKE VIELS N SOME NOT.... LET THEM HAVE THE FREEDOM TO WEAR WHAT THEY WANT....
RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 01:27 PM Permalink
Braveheart, I really do not care for such things. My reply was to Mr. Balaord who was trying to justify the same.
One of the enduring memory of childhood is of little muslim girls going to school wearing Green skirt, cream coloured shirts & wearing Green coloured head-scarves. Though I find it difficult to appreciate the black-veil (probably because it was an alien thing in my childhood), I do not differentiate between muslim women wearing head-scarves and those wearing other types of dresses.
RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by shakil ansari on Jul 10, 2008 01:03 PM Permalink
JGN WOMAN IN ISLAM IS TREATED DECENTLY UNLIKE DROPDI IN MAHABARATA WHO WAS FORSED TO MARRY AND SATTIS THE SEXUAL LUST OF FIVE MENS AGAINST HER WISHES
RE:RE:RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 01:35 PM Permalink
They can't appreciate liberty of women as their minds are already set for curbing women's right as right. They always view it in their perspective & try to find fault in Draupadi's case.
RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by raghav on Jul 10, 2008 01:42 PM Permalink
DONT EQATE LIBERTY WITH PROSTITUTION WILL U PART WITH UR WIFE IF YES THEN SUPPORT UR STATEMENT IF KNOW THAN DONT
RE:RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 01:08 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>UNLIKE DROPDI IN MAHABARATA..........Mahabharati is an Epic (story) and the incidents mentioned in the same are the imaginations of the author. No hindu woman is clamouring for having "five husbands like Panchali" while the muslims the world over want us to believe that The Quran is a divine revealation to be followed by every one till eternity.
Don't try to justify historical truth with what is written in some stories. Muhammed was a historical person who lived nearer to our time.
RE:RE:RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by Braveheart on Jul 10, 2008 01:16 PM Permalink
Tats wat we are trying to say...dont follow epics blindly...follow a person who existed on this planet...
RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by Rationalist on Jul 10, 2008 01:32 PM Permalink
Is the havoc created already by following your Historical person not enough?
RE:RE:RE:RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 01:21 PM Permalink
I don't have to follow any one if his teachings do not find logical to me. I am no way inferior to a person who lived hundreds of years back nor do I have to believe in some book wirtten thousands of years back. There has been tremendous improvements in science and tehnology ever since.
RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by rgopi on Jul 10, 2008 01:14 PM Permalink
The persian word AWRAT or woman means the female private parts hence it is meant to be covered top to toe, enough of your bullshit.
RE:RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by Braveheart on Jul 10, 2008 01:24 PM Permalink
WHAT IS UR PROBLEM...SOMETHING stuck inuras*
RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by DAWA JACOB on Jul 10, 2008 01:52 PM Permalink
i fail to understand y we all are debating about what the religious books(quran,bible,gita) preach... they are old enough to be tampered with...if you all believe that these books still contain the original content..you all must be dreaming...all the religious books are tampered with to propogate a specific cultural ideologies...without any relation to its original meaning.
RE:RE:The Problem with the dresscode of women in Afghanistan
by JGN on Jul 10, 2008 02:14 PM Permalink
The million dollar question is how to make the religious fanatics understand this simple truth.
