RE:absurd!!!
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 30, 2008 12:30 PM Permalink
You probably should change your name. What on earth can make you to believe this way. Evolution occurs naturally from single cell to multicellular (or single atom to molecular) in this universe and not in the way of any fairy tale. I have great regard for Hindu's way of explaining the evolution as it has science in it. The ten avatars point out the evolutionary steps from primitive living organism to man. But people like you get confused with the philosophical ideas that is coating the science. Philosophically, narasimha avatar represent vishnu with lion head but scientifically it represents the evolution of flesh eating mammals. Understood?. Dont blindly follow what others say. Do some innovative thinking.
RE:absurd!!!
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 12:19 PM Permalink
Then who created the "brahma" ?? Why do you want to beleive in absurdities like god creating man from "dust" etc like the followers of semitic religions?
RE:absurd!!!
by RightSaid Fred on Apr 30, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
Don't worry. He is not really 'anti sychopant'. He is purely a Psycho pant (like manohar pant)!
This discovery has lot of connections with the occurances described in ancient literary works of Tamil. The oldest sangam extents like Agananooru, Purananooru, Tholkappium talk of the first and second tamil sangams which happened in Old Madurai and Kapaatapuram. Old madurai was described as a the capital of ancient pandya rulers situated in Lemuria or Kumari kandam which is a sunken landmass south of kanyakumari and connected east africa and west australia. Even the destruction of Old madurai and the migration of people to the present day tamilnadu and kerala is aptly described in the oldest availble sangam literature. This phenomenon is well explained by the theory of Plate Tectonics which speaks of the migration and shrinking of Indian plate along with Australia as they were previously connected with Africa.
In addition, Silappathikaram points out the occurrance of kadalkol or Tsunami submerging the old kaveripoompattinam or Poompuhar in the eatern coast due to a deadly volcanic eruption in indonesia. Thus Tamil literature has a well recorded proofs for those geological occurances.
RE:Connections
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 12:35 PM Permalink
But you forget an important point is that Magescanesas(Greek traveller) mentions in his book that the Daughter of Krishna Pandia moves south ward and establish a kingdom called Mathura or should we say madura or Madurai
RE:RE:Connections
by JGN on May 01, 2008 03:40 PM Permalink
Mr.anuragawasthi, I really wonder from where on earth you are getting all sorts of absurd informations? The Greek Traveller's name you mentioned is incorrect and the Mathura referred to in that is located in UP (not Madura in TN). On another Site you were talking about some obscure language of Baluchistan was also "dravidian" Why it should not be the other way round? People from that part of Indian sub-continent migrated to TN?
RE:RE:Connections
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 30, 2008 12:02 PM Permalink
Silenzer, The concept of 'Forbidden Archeology' is not proved and it is mixing the evolution and vedanta as it is understandably a product Bhaktivedanta institution. Of course, the ten incarnations of Lord Vishnu represent the ten steps of evolution. But the great mistake we do is that we ignore the core concept or the scientific part of such philosphical ideas and pay too much attention to the philosophy part which cannot be experimented. In this case, people like you forget the core concept of evolutionary steps but give more importance to Lord Vishnu and his characteristics and powers. Remember that vedanta is like a medicine coated with sugar in which the medicine is the science and the sugar is the philosophy.
RE:Connections
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 30, 2008 12:10 PM Permalink
On the contrary, I dont mix things like you and am talking of science and science alone with evidences from literature. Both these fields are open to experimentation and thats why I rely on them. I am not mixing these facts with unexperimented philosophical ideas. Dont try to mix up things and get confused.
Morover, you dont have to question the theory of Plate tectonics as it is well proven and can explain almost all geological occurances.
Even though I do not know what the good professor found, I very much doubt this out of Africa theory. Much of this idea is based on tracing the pattern of inheritance of mitochondrial DNA, which leads to the so-called mitochondrial Eve. But she was not the only woman of her time, descendants of the other women did not survive till our times. It is a complex subject, and one that can potentially be interpreted in multiple ways.
RE:Dont believe it yet
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 30, 2008 09:51 AM Permalink
No Dhruba, It is also based on the geological occurances in the past. During triassic period, all the continents were together called Pangea. Then they broke due to continental drift and slowly moved away from each other. Even India was connected with australia, africa, south america and antartica down south. Then it started moving towards north for nearly 6000 kms and collided with Eurasian plate. This historic collision gave rise to the Himalays. Infact, Himalayas is the youngest mountain range in the world and was formed only at the end of dinosaur's era. The discovery of ocean floor and sea fossils in Himalayas provide ample evidences for that. So this african theory have proofs in geology too.
You mean to say that when the continents divided, and the earth was in terrible upheaval, and yet the African descent people survived in India? Imagine this.. the earth had gone soft and the atmosphere superhot, so that the Indian land could float off to collide with China and form the Himalayas? You want me to believe that people survived that 1000 degree heat and land movement? I have no problem with that geology, but I cannot believe this out of Africa theory. Sorry.
RE:Dont believe it yet
by saigeetha jagannathan on May 01, 2008 11:30 AM Permalink
Hi Dhruba, All this happenned not in a single day but thousands of years. The continents shifted not due to earth going soft or heating up of atmosphere, it is primarily due to continental drift and this is happenning even now to all the continents in the world. India is moving in the northest direction at a velocity of ~5 cm per year thrusting Himalayas and thatswhy Himalays is continuously rising. Coming to the connections of continents, africa, India and Australia slowly moved northwards splitting from Antartica and the subsequently got splitted themselves. But even today the boundary between Indian and Australian plates is not well defined and hence speculated to be on one plate namely Indo-Australian plate. The land mass between India and Australia would have got submerged gradually. But few hundreds of thousands years back, there was a huge landmass between these continents and gradully got sunken in the ocesn. Even the previouslye existed sea was Tethys sea and not Indian Ocean. With this I want to point out that the changes in continents are happenning due to continental drift(non stop process-a secret of earth's life unlike other planets) and not due to overheating of earth or atmosphere.
RE:Dont believe it yet
by saigeetha jagannathan on May 01, 2008 11:37 AM Permalink
Hi Dhruba, The theory that I have explained in the previous post is the basis of the field of geophysics and if you still doubts in it, you can check this site from United States Geological Survey(USGS). pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/dynamic.html I am a geophysical researcher who is working on a subject based on Continental drift and Plate tectonics.
RE:RE:Dont believe it yet
by saigeetha jagannathan on May 01, 2008 11:48 AM Permalink
This landmass that got submerged gradully in the present day Indian ocean would have been the connecting land between africa, India and Australia.
Its fascinating to see such a landmass has been described in ancient Tamil literature as Kumarikandam or Lemuria continent by historians. Some sangam literature points out that there existed land below kanyakumari and the capital of ancinet pandyas denoted as Old Madurai existed there. This is where the first sangam of Tamil literature is said to have taken place under Lord Shiva himself. Geologically, India shrinked by around 2000 kms before reaching this size. The northern part of older India got shrunken and thrusted as Himalayas. The present northern India was the southern part of the India existed before. The sangam texts also point out this landmass got submerged forcing people to move northwards. Call you see the link?
It is sad to see so many people turning every news item into issues of caste and "race". No wonder our politicians take advantage. If the brain is put to better use, Indians would see how the "political caste" in India is enjoying power, money and luxuries while the people down below are fighting over caste and race. The smart will always ride on the backs of fools. The first sign of intelligence for Indians has to be "Indian = A biradhri" (Brotherhood) with a common destiny.
RE:Obsession with
by softouch on Apr 30, 2008 11:57 AM Permalink
Whether you like it or not, the broadest and oldest common link between lost people living in India, cutting accross races, is the Hindu way of life. But that is not politically fashionable to state nowadays.
if dravidians lived all across india before the so-called aryan invasion, why according to the author, the M130 gene marker is not found outside tamilnadu ? in states like MP, Maha, Gujrat , Chattisgadh, orissa, jharkhand there is a huge tribal and adivasi population. if they were truly of dravidian/african origin then they should have found the m130 marker in them,but they havent. so i reiterate that non aryan people of rest of india are not neccessarily dravidians/africans. they are indegenious people of non-aryan,non-dravidian race.dravidians belong only to south india.they never lived throughout india. it was a macaulean theory to divide and rule.
RE:Hmm interesting
by R A Sharma on Apr 30, 2008 10:22 AM Permalink
U r fully wrong. Do u mean to say the Muslims in north India later got converted to Hinduism?
RE:Hmm interesting
by Praveen George on Apr 30, 2008 09:10 AM Permalink
No point talking to these guys dude, i suggested that Modi could be of Baluchi/Iranian origin comparing his facial/physical features with Iranians, Baluchis and Afghanis. Any one who can identify racial descend would see that Modi is not Saurashtrian . People are just ignorant they just fight over relgion forgetting that many of the current day brahmin's ancestors could very vell be Persian
RE:RE:Hmm interesting
by venkat on Apr 30, 2008 09:59 AM Permalink
It was a poly by west and later by Politicians of Tamilnadu saying that Aryans came some where from West and defeated the people of India.
If Aryans came from the west, Aryans are nature worshippers , no where one would find nature worshippers in West.
Also there is no concensus from where Aryans came , some say they are from germany , Russia and some from Iran.
Instead Aryans would have gone to all those places from India
RE:One thing is for sure, Current North Indians are born to Muslims...
by R A Sharma on Apr 30, 2008 10:23 AM Permalink
U r fully wrong. Do u mean to say the Muslims in north India later got converted to Hinduism?
I am not sure but if you can also study some tribal people staying in Girnar area of Gujarat, it may also add to your study. I dont know much about the subject but since you are very very knowledgeable and doing a substatial work in this direction, it could mean further information for your study. People in some tribes in Girnar area of Gujarat are aware of certain people who look more like people from Africa. May be this be also some kind of link between India and Africa. I am not very sure as it could be only a physical similarity but its there.
RE:Professor
by BhejaFry on Apr 30, 2008 04:08 AM Permalink
There is no african gene in gujrat, but there would be plenty of gujju genes in africa as lots of gujjus migrated to africa ( kenya, uganda etc ) and married local women.
This shows that India has one of the oldest civilisations in the world.
Before the break-up of the super-continents, India was connected to Africa, Antartica and Australia. So there is also a human connection, although millions of years after the supercontinents broke up
