I just watch adult (dah...porn) movies and cartoons with no sound (okay may be with little sound sometimes), and I don't care which country/language the movie is made in ;-)
If departed can win oscar then parinda,satya and old don can should be given oscar..Departed was okie nothing great.. waste of leonardo's acting.. mark got oscar for supporting role just coz he said few f*** word couple of times..departed didnt deserve
first of all, oscars are not considered the best awards by americans themselves, or atleast serious film viewers and intelllectual crowd. Oscar in america is for masses, the classes and intellectuals prefer sundance and other festivals. but still oscars are credible, more than our filmfare and manikchand gutkha awards. as far as comparison of bollywood and western cinema, dont even compare. our best director satyajit ray was hardly known in india before he was recognized by western audience. and days of hrishikesh mukherjee are over. we had some good cinema in 70's but thats about it. also, remeber many indians like me prefer watching western over bollywood (atleast as long as they dont come out of cheap boy meets girl stories)..and we have every right to talk about this..whether RSS types dislike or americans. i dont care
I was quickly reading through some of the messages here and I saw 2 kinds of people. 1. The psuedo Swadeshi, who thinks Oscars are for the fair skinned and so is happy none of our movies made it cause our audiences are different and the "whites" don't understand that. 2. The "oh so secular" you feel that if other nationalities can get Oscars our movies should too... but alas our movies aren't good enough.
For group number 1, let me clarify if we had got the award you would not have tired your fingers typing in words like "pusillanimous", instead you would have goathed over the great Indian dream story just like you screamed when Shilpa Shetty was racially abused but kept mum when she walked away with the loot
For group 2, well again if Water had made it you would have sungs peans of poetry to Deepa Mehta's brilliance and then praised Indian cinema for getting its rightful due, however now that she did not make it she needs to look into her kind of film making and so will Indian cinema cause according to you we don't make good cinema.
To the both of you let me tell one thing. Oscars is a competition just like many other competitions you have been familiar with and what happens in such competitions is that despite your product being good, someone else's is just better and so you lose.
What we need to do is continue make our cinema the way we make it and one day we would have made it better than the others. So please get on with life bettering what you do rather than waste your time talking about things you and I aren't competent enough to comment on.
RE:All in Vain....A drop of Water could not satisy my thirst
by Happy Freak on Mar 01, 2007 03:52 AM Permalink
Thank yo so much for very insightful comments. I am sure you know a lot about world cinema and human psyhcology....yeah right!? And thanks for letting the Indian moviemakers know that they should continue to make movies, and one day if they are good enoug, they might get an Oscar.
RE:All in Vain....A drop of Water could not satisy my thirst
by bapi chaudhury on Feb 26, 2007 10:01 PM Permalink
you are a very sarcastic and cynical person
The most bullshit movie of the year award goes to WATER.Sorry seema biswas after posing yourself fully naked in BANDIT QUEEN, did not get any oscar.Deepa's husband tried his best to get the oscar for her film Water, but it was really the cheapest movie trying to get some fame by dipicting some old outdated cultural drawbacks.These indians should never be allowed to enter india and make mockery of indian culture.
RE:oscar
by Amrit Gill on Feb 27, 2007 02:27 AM Permalink
so you only wan tot see the hanky pankies and running around trees and singings and half naked actresses and thats it...... when someone touches a "dukhti rag" in our society, we scream on top of our lungs...... i think water brought up a very important issue which 80% if us didnt even know about. Rather than lookin gat it positively, why are we taking it os negatively... why dont we think this way "look where we were (child marriages and child widows etc) and where we are now, our daughters, sisters (women of our nation) are achieving high...... we have come up so much.....proud to be from the same nation as Kalpana Chawla, Sunita Williams...... Indira Gandhi for being the first female leader..... (even though i am totally against the way she used to think).... but still, our daughters can do much more if we support them rather than sending them to those widow houses and stooping them so low in our society etc........ so look at this film positively and be proud of it........ that atleast it brought up a social issue of that era........
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by Venkatesh Iyer on Feb 27, 2007 09:11 AM Permalink
How can anyone with the least bit of Intelligence say that the issues shown in WATER are some "OLD OUTDATED CULTURAL DRAWBACK". Many of us have seen our own grandmothers who faced widowhood at a very young age (as young as 21) then having their head tonsured and living a miserable life !!! Now times have changed, and we dont understand what exactly it is like to go through it !! to Life that life !! I have seen my own grandmother and heard heart breaking stories of customs prevalent during her time .. I am sure many among you have seen this too !!
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by Santosh on Feb 26, 2007 10:38 PM Permalink
Are you trying to tell me that we keep a closed eye to stuff which is shown in water...there are tons of villages in india which still follows these rituals....being a research student i get to travel to the interiors of india and it is gruesome...
One should take these movies vely and use them to highlight the plights of these people...
There is a Hindi slang for the way the Indian English media and more prominently the Indian English internet media promotes Oscars....and that slang is 'chatna'. C'mon folks...get a spine. Oscars is for Western movies made by Western people for Western audiences. If we patronize those movies its just added bonus for them....why are these rediff and DNA and TOI people making so brouhaha over Oscars. Hindi movies are made by Indians for Indian audience....for better or for worse. Stop measuring them by a yardstick that is not applicable. This is not to say that Hindi movies are great but you rediff folks really have to overcome your bloody colonial hangover. Feel good about yourself, feel self assured and don't try to look for recognition from blokes who cannot understand you.....like the academy awards people. Sham on you....the desi English media, shame on you for the way you belittle yourself. You really think our country should have a seat at the global high table then its high time we people stop losing sleep over a so-called lack of recognition from the Western world on every sundry issue. Pusillanimous editors at the Indian English media....you really ought to be ashamed of yourself.
RE:Oscars
by Avirup Bose on Feb 26, 2007 12:12 PM Permalink
Ignoring the Oscars shows our inability to appreciate quality and merit. And who gives one the right to say that the Oscars are for the west, many of the Indian multiplexes show English movies regularly and the most funniest part is that the so called Bollywood movies are half of the time entirely based on an English Flick. The worst part is that the Indian directors cant even properly remake it. Check Salame-E-Ishq the Director says "vaguely" inspired by "Love Actually"..have you any respect for such hypocrites..at least I dont. Moreover Oscar celebrates absolute merit...just have a look at the major acting nominations this year. Most of the actresses are way above 50 and are there bcause of their merit not because of how less cloths they wore. Look at the category of the best actress in Filmfare, it invariably includes some 25 yr olds who cant act to save their lives.
I have just one phrase for those who ignore the oscars.."SOUR GRAPES"
RE:Oscars
by mrunal kharwandikar on Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
In marathi they say "Kolhyala draksha ambat" i.e. whatever you cannot get you start ignoring or start hating. This should change. Like many other fields, India doesn't exist on international map (e.g. sports, films etc). We must be proud of Indian culture but at the same time try to stand international competition
RE:Oscars
by Sridharan Ke on Feb 26, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
The thought line in this message should be noted seriously. They are to be adopted by every common man on earth.
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by on Feb 26, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
i dont think the oscars are only for western ppl, the term western is used just for the so called Americas - US,Canada etc..Oscars are universal, when we have mexican directors,colombian actors, spanish, german ppl winning , why cant Indians?? IN the end its our problem and no ones elses..Water was supposed to be an Indian film but so called " Indians " refused to let them direct it here,so it became a Canadian film..and reached the last round whereas RDB and Munnabhai didnt even make it.. I think we need to get rid of this mindset that the Western world wrt movies are diff from us..movies are universal, if others can win, y cant v ??
RE:RE:RE:Oscars
by purplebroom on Feb 26, 2007 11:23 AM Permalink
The reason why we cannot win is... as an indian movie there is only one category to compete and that would be "Best foreign film category" whereas a western movie can compete in all categories like best director, best actor, best music.... etc., and that is how we see more of western movies winning more awards.
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by yore hit on Feb 26, 2007 03:42 PM Permalink
i dont think so..Pans lababryith won a couple of awards and its in a foreign language,They do consider foreign language films too..BAFTA too nominated a couple of Hindi films as nominees fir their awards, but nothing came of it
RE:Oscars
by Manas Dey on Feb 26, 2007 01:17 PM Permalink
Man, I understand your point. Do you really think that Bollywood's 'Oscar' is worth mentioning where everything is distributed almost equally no matter how you perform. Dont forget in this dias they have showered honour on a great Indian Mastero - Satyajit Ray for life time achievement where Our 'great' Bollywood could not recognize this legendary. Dont forget this dias has given the opportunity to us to show it to the world that we Indian can also contribute to the world of cinema which transcends geography, language, race, and religion. So dont blame yourself being Indian.
RE:Oscars
by Manas Dey on Feb 26, 2007 01:15 PM Permalink
Man, I understand your point. Do you really think that Bollywood's 'Oscar' is worth mentioning where everything is distributed almost equally no matter how you perform. Dont forget in this dias they have showered honour on a great Indian Mastero - Satyajit Ray for life time achievement where Our 'great' Bollywood could not recognize this legendary. Dont forget this dias has given the opportunity to us to show it to the world that we Indian can also contribute to the world of cinema which transcends geography, language, race, and religion. So dont blame yourself being Indian.
some one said , why give imprtance to oscars. well..because none of the indian awards are credible.. like everything else in india, corruption has crept in. Also, yes oscar is for english movies, made anywhere.. but you forget , lot of educated indians watch lot of english movies, so we are interested.. especially when 99% of bollywood flicks are same old cheap "dil wil pyaar mohabbat" crap
