I would like to thank Ratan Tata for this timely and courageous decision...... look the things are very simple.... why some ststes in India are prosperous and some are poor..... it the people in those ststes who are responsible for promoting and electing mind less chicken like Mamta Banerjee, Prakash Karat , Brinda Karat,Sitaram Yaturi, Madhu Koda, Laloo Prasad to rule the stste. What out put you can expect from these kind of people..... days are not very far when this country has to face seperatist movement on the basis of economic disparity.... how lond do u expect to cross subside these rogue states at the cost of others like karnataka, Gujrat, Maharashtra , Tamilnadu, kerala...etc. this is not fare and its not the everlasting phenomene....Mr Tata you have done a great job for Tata Motors and the peple on India... The project should go ahead as per its scheduled.... lets us start a debate that who is actually responsible for these rouge states? if the people of these states have answers.... then think what to do? otherwise the future is not very bright.....
People Say Tata are ethical.. But Chanakya has said " Business and ethics dont go hand in hand". Tata or Narayan murthy of Infosys may wear mask of ethics but truth is every corporate in India and all over world are grown on basis of manipulation and unethical work.But unethical means varies from corporates to corporates.Reliance may do more,tata may do less-- But every corporate does unethical work.Talking about bribes even Tata have paid bribes- So no ones saint in corporate world. Now let us come to the moot point : industries are coming up without any difficulty. Ratanji made several mistakes which he
might not acknowledge but remains answerable to shareholders and making the industrial
climate state of WB, and the country hostage first with his follies and then with veiled
threats. He is trying to equate Nano with India iteself which is a dangerous thing to do.
First, let be Nano on road for few years, perform and then we start clapping. Now onto his
mistakes. (i)Why did he only depend on only overwhelming majority of CPIM in state of WB,
not bothering to talk to prinicipal oppositions or local people as in politics things might change. Did he believe that CPIM is ruling Bengal for 30 years and will continue to do so for another 30 and he doesn't need to bother
Re: Real truth - Inside story
by vijay on Sep 02, 2008 11:55 PM Permalink
Dear RAtan TATA saheb.....
Bengali mamta banarjee is more busy and interested in Authorising the unauthorised bangladeshis in West bengal ....thats her vote bank.....
looking at the singur farmers , primarily it can be noticed that singur farmers and the prime land owners / capturers are Bangladeshis ....
Mamta is only interested in her vote bank ...and the Left communists ( they cannot be right , because every body knows left hand is used for ...........haan sahi hai ) are busy in capturing the local bangali , muslim , bangladeshi vote banks ........ So Tata ji .......ok tata Bye Bye .........Why tatas want to increase car population in india god knows .......Traffic Traffic Traffic = Air Polution = Social unrest.
Now mamata will celebrate with her illiterate supporters alongwith sense less Medha tai Patkar .....( one should direct a movie with Medha tai patkar and NANO PAtekar as lead roles = Krantiveeerni Krantiveer = double treat )
Ok TATA Bye Bye ...Horn Please.
All india Truck Transport association ......pomp pomp pomp.......
Re: Real truth - Inside story
by Sushma Sengupta on Sep 02, 2008 11:34 PM Permalink
(ii) underestimating opponent - in nano naming
function he said that he wanted to name it 'Buddha', 'Mamata' and 'despite Mamata' thinking
the battle is already won. One can make fun of his friend if he doesn't mind but wasn't it
prematured to make fun of Mamata (iii) Ratanji very boisterously said that some other car
manufacturing co. is instigating trouble in Singur, he has proof and would reveal it at appropriate time. When will that time come now that he is deciding to leave Singur, eating his own words?iv) what if supreme court says the method in which a fertile, irrigable land
was acquired without owner's consent in the name of public interest and given to a private
profit making company is illegal? did he ever look at legal, constitutional issues? Tatas have many other manufacturing facilities in WB doing very well and nobody opposes it.
Re: Real truth - Inside story
by anindya Roy on Sep 02, 2008 11:40 PM Permalink
sushma ji, cool down why are wasting your time here...u shd be in singoor...beside Mamtaji....cheering her on!
Re: Real truth - Inside story
by Guest on Sep 03, 2008 12:01 AM Permalink
Beachy, better go and do that with a scorpion. They are much closer to you in character. Why look up to human beings ? --Sd
Re: Re: Real truth - Inside story
by gaurav mathur on Sep 02, 2008 11:48 PM Permalink
Hi Sushma,
It seems you have written here just for the sake of writing. Kindly read ur matter once and see if it makes sense.... You can also refer to some good economics and sociology book for understanding the issue here. Remain away from politics and give views..
Re: Real truth - Inside story
by Sushma Sengupta on Sep 02, 2008 11:37 PM Permalink
First, let your own land or house or property gobbled up in the interest of an industry and
then comment. This is the most fertile zone of WB. Some distance way in infertile land other
industries are coming up without any difficulty. Ratanji made several mistakes which he
might not acknowledge but remains answerable to shareholders and making the industrial
climate state of WB, and the country hostage first with his follies and then with veiled
threats. He is trying to equate Nano with India iteself which is a dangerous thing to do.
First, let be Nano on road for few years, perform and then we start clapping. Now onto his mistakes. which are stated above 4 big mistakes
Re: Real truth - Inside story
by p on Sep 03, 2008 12:02 AM Permalink
But Chanakya has said " Business and ethics dont go hand in hand". Which century are you living in Madame? This can be said only an unethical person to cover up. That apart, give ONE example we will agree.
"Talking about bribes even Tata have paid bribes-" Well making a statement like this does not take an iota of an effort. Go see Jamshedpur, which is so near Kolkata and yet so (fortunately) much far away.
"Why did he only depend on only overwhelming majority of CPIM in state of WB,not bothering to talk to prinicipal oppositions or local people as in politics things might change. Did he believe that CPIM is ruling Bengal for 30 years and will continue to do so for another 30 and he doesn't need to bother" Thats what happens when you go by the law. Land acquisituin is entirely State Govt. responsibility and for good reason, otherwise imagine what happens if rich corporates starts pursuing the villagers to give up their land. Incidentally CPI(M) is the ruling party.
"Underestimating the OPPOSITION" They don't need to bother, and mind you Nano WILL happen DESPITE Mamta,DESPITE Singur.
"Ratanji very boisterously said that some other car manufacturing co. is instigating trouble in Singur, he has proof and would reveal it at appropriate time. When will that time come now that he is deciding to leave Singur, eating his own words?" Not indulging in mudslinging is a sign of mental maturity, many adults do lack that, I agree.
"Tatas have many other manufacturing facilities in W
Re: Re: Real truth - Inside story
by p on Sep 03, 2008 12:03 AM Permalink
"Tatas have many other manufacturing facilities in WB doing very well and nobody opposes it." Name ONE.
"One should have the patience to understand the problem and act like a narcisist. What is then the way out? The middle path proposed is to retain 600 acres as required solely by tata motors to be there where it is, remaining 400 acres required for ancillary units to be moved to few km away in a low lying land which is not as fertile. It may increase the cost of the car by approx. 5000 INR." Interesting, give away 40% of the land. Hmmm sounds logical. Since when did increased production cost a become a good thing? Very interesting indeed, with great respect sounds logical and imaginative too.
Re: Re: Re: Real truth - Inside story
by p on Sep 03, 2008 12:26 AM Permalink
"I request the readers to take note of the fact how people in and around Singur oerwhlmingly voted for Mamata." Thats the result of rhetorics and playing for the gallery. The team lost though, miserably. Few years from now she will be remembered as one who singlehandedly destroyed the chances of WB. Incidentally since the dispute is only over 400 acres and not on the 600 acres out of thousand by your logic they are the minority any way.
"These were the places where CPIM was ruling. Why is it so? In a democracy you should learn to respect peoples wishes." Right, however unreasonable they may be. In any case the Tata's ARE respecting their verdict (violence) and leaving, we will know soon who is the loser.
"Unfortunately, very few of us believe in democracy and mostly feudal in nature. We want to decide what is good for others." No, but we sincerely want them to see the other side, without the influence of old rhetorics, which have done no good for them so far. Mamta thrives in their poverty, and that is most unfortunate.
"We worry about youth not getting job if there is no industry because our kids are to serve in industry? " What do you mean OUR? Don't YOU think the people of Singur ARE US? Sorry Madame this is sheer vanity.
"Industry can shift to an infertile land but cultivation cannot." Right.
"We want others to sacrifice. How much sacrifice we ourselves have made?" One is being paid as per the law. Where is the question of sacrifice? I pay taxes, which is used t
Re: Real truth - Inside story
by vijay on Sep 02, 2008 11:51 PM Permalink
Dear RAtan TATA saheb.....
Bengali mamta banarjee is more busy and interested in Authorising the unauthorised bangladeshis in West bengal ....thats her vote bank.....
looking at the singur farmers , primarily it can be noticed that singur farmers and the prime land owners / capturers are Bangladeshis ....
Mamta is only interested in her vote bank ...and the Left communists ( they cannot be right , because every body knows left hand is used for ...........haan sahi hai ) are busy in capturing the local bangali , muslim , bangladeshi vote banks ........ So Tata ji .......ok tata Bye Bye .........Why tatas want to increase car population in india god knows .......Traffic Traffic Traffic = Air Polution = Social unrest.
Now mamata will celebrate with her illiterate supporters alongwith sense less Medha tai Patkar .....( one should direct a movie with Medha tai patkar and NANO PAtekar as lead roles = Krantiveeerni Krantiveer = double treat )
Ok TATA Bye Bye ...Horn Please.
All india Truck Transport association ......pomp pomp pomp.......
Re: Real truth - Inside story
by S Biswas on Sep 02, 2008 11:53 PM Permalink
You should know that TATA MOTORS Showrooms have been attacked at many places in WB and even work on TATA INDICOM cable has benn disrupted by TMC members there.Mamta's Party has openly said that they wont any product of TATAs and now they r saying that there agitaion is not against TATAs But the WB government. What a hipocracy!!
ITS UNFORTUNATE THAT TATAS HAS CLOSED DOWN THE PLANT BECAUSE OF DIRTY POLITICS OF MAMATA BANERJEE. ALL THOSE POLITICIAN BEHIND THIS SHUTDOWN SHOULD BE STOPPED FOR CONTESTING THE FUTURE ELECTION.
Re: TATA'S DREAM
by Ayan Nandy on Sep 02, 2008 11:48 PM Permalink
Aur kuchh!
I wonder why you stopped here. You must have demanded hanging of Mamata. There is a person named Ratan Tata who is so adamant about not releasing the 400 acres of land while an equal amount of land is available just across the highway!
It is not the Nano factory of Tata that's shut down. Go to Panthnagar and look at its Voltas factory that produces AC and refrigerators. The whole plant has got not even a single fan for the workers, most of whom are on contract service. This plant has a huge inventory and now is almost shut down for a couple of months. How many local people did get a job in the Voltas factory at Panthnagar?
The Tatas are only blackmailing the people of Bengal, just the way they blackmailed the people of rest of India.
What we need is better safeguards for the farmers whose life is uncertain given the whims of the plutocrats like Ratan Tata. No doubt it was a bad decision for the farmers of Singur that their plot was chosen for the car factory. Even in West Bengal there is lot of barren land available in dsistricts like West Midnapur, Bankura and Purulia where the plant could have been made.
Ratan Tata needs the 400 acres NOT for ancilliary sections but for biofuel generation.
For the farmers, the land has been a source of livelihood for generations. Can Ratan Tata promise jobs for all the future generations of the farmers whose lands has been snatched? Did he promise for even the present generation of all the farmers affected?
Re: TATA'S DREAM
by Manoj M on Sep 03, 2008 12:00 AM Permalink
Good news for you. Keep the fertile & unfertile & do what you know best: Hold dharnas. You dont have any Tata to fight now. Ratan Tata is not blackmailing anybody. You have a democratic right to protest & he has a democratic right to walk out. You did yours & he did his, so why complain?
If all goes on as scheduled and the Tatas leave West Bengal, its people should heave a sigh of relief. The TATA group is worse than most industrial houses of our country doing nothing more than doling out alms to whosoever dares oppose their scheme of things. Their oldest venture, the TISCO, is located at Jamshedpur for over a century now but that did not stop the district from being one of the poorest in India. Ratan Tata looks saintly from a distance but this time around we got to see him closely and noticed cracks and fissures all over. He never bothered to take the people of Singur into confidence by listening to their woes in private and addressing at least a part of them. Instead he chose to talk like a Left Front cadre at the Motor Expo while unveiling his pet car by making noises totally uncalled for! If he leaves with his project it will no doubt be a colossal loss for the industrialisation of this state but it will be an eye-opener for all those watching with their eyes half closed.
Re: Good Riddance
by Doyel Ghosh on Sep 02, 2008 11:40 PM Permalink
colossal loss for the industrialisation of this state??? My friend its more like colossal loss for the industrialisation of the country as a whole.... specially when the world is watching the unveiling of 'WORLD'S CHEAPEST CAR'.
Re: Good Riddance
by p on Sep 03, 2008 12:33 AM Permalink
You know nothing about Jamshedpur. It is WAY WAY better than any other region in whole of East India. Probably the cleanest and least polluted among all. There are lakhs of people earning their fare share of living there, just because of the Tatas. You won't even begin to imagine how empowered the tribal women here are. Sorry mate you are completely off the mark.
Tamils are skilled but do not like to move to other parts due to Hindi.Hence they will work hard in their state w/o creating any problems. Decent salary in the home state is a great thing without any labour militancy & ready to work hard. Work hard for 6 days and watch movies in the weekend and relax. In turn the employer gets the benefit. Ideal win win area. In fact not knowing Hindi enables the state's progress
Re: Why TN preferred despite not speaking Hindi ?
by AdfauunhAjrqQOmjh on Sep 02, 2008 11:32 PM Permalink
I also like Tamils. They work very hard, six days a week, 12 hours a day. You just tell them and they do it. All, you need to do is to tell them. Do this and Do that. And, if you gift them few Rajni movie DVDs, they are ever so grateful. They can really enjoy their Sundays wathcing comic Rajni actions for the Nth time
Mamatha's famous chant is "Nono to Nano". Now she says she has nothing against Tata. This lady should be put in jail for obstruction of civilian life. It is sad that the entire project, which is so eagerly awaited the world over, and such a huge opportunity for WB to enter the industrialised world, has been held to ransom by this selfish woman for a mere 400 acres of land.
why is it that Tatas are facing land problem every where in india. Mr tata wants free land free taxes at expence of the poor. He has media and CII in his pockets so TV news channels constantly have singing TATA tune. Indra gandhi was the only PM who could forsee such dangerous MNCs and this had kept them in check. its time to nationalize TATA STEEL the mineral mines belong to indians and is nota tata property . GO TATA GO bye bye
It is unfortunate if Tatas leave this project to its destiny.But our respected Mamtaji has to clear doubts of many minds about her strategy for this issue.She should have realised that our so called branded ministers will take upperhand in the coming elections...when she doesnt have any words or actions to justify her"motivation"! She made such gross mistakes also in the past.
