For God Sake Dont Distribute degrees like pizzas where every tom dick and harry can be an engineer by paying few lakh rupees for the degree. I have seen m. tech. students who cant write down a simple program even in C, cant even apply a logic of their own and then expect companies to recruit them and give high packages.if these kind of guys get such lowly jobs there is nothing to be surprised of. you always get what you deserve
RE:Improve the Quality of Education
by Indianboy on May 01, 2008 05:17 PM Permalink
Navraj you write i met so many so called computer engineer who don't know how floppy works. This is what india producing computer engineer and wish to get engineering status from MNC. First see your quality of education.Talent never be kept in the dark for long. If you have grab it. Don't distribute your story for rediff.com
RE:India must have reservations till 85% of all registered marriages are inter-caste.
by kraft on May 01, 2008 05:09 PM Permalink
You can take your caste with you when you go up permanently? India has progressed in spite of people like you.[Full of jealousy and the narrowest of minds]
I am a chemical engineer. When I passed out from engineering college in 1997, I was probably very few guys to continue in this profession, most went to IT sector. My salary was peanuts comnpared to IT sector and the type of work I used to do was also not very easy, like chemical plant commissiong etc. However, with time, I worked hard and gained immense experience. Whatever work I did, I did with enthusiasm, and mind you, every work gives you little or more knowledge. Not everyone is lucky to get the best jobs... Today I am based in London, but still I feell those small jobs that I did during my early career days helped me and shaped me into what I am.
Its easy to rise from earth, that to rise from the sky!
RE:Its only in the dark that the eye begins to see
by zentyl on May 01, 2008 05:16 PM Permalink
Now, What do u want to tell? Being in London is a big acheivement? Every tom dick and harry who has ur experience must have been to london in IT ?!? It matters ONLY when u are well off in your own home country dear.
RE:RE:Its only in the dark that the eye begins to see
by Indianboy on May 01, 2008 05:22 PM Permalink
Bravo Zentyl Bravo Well said Anyone who got the education and skill at their birth country and serve in foreign county. They are sucker
RE:RE:Its only in the dark that the eye begins to see
by Lakshminarayan Jayaram on May 01, 2008 05:40 PM Permalink
Dear Zentyl, I am not comparing with IT nor saying that being in London is great. In fact I am working on an Indian project in London. I just wanted to project the view that sometimes you have got to start from the scratch and by doing hard work you can still achieve success. Not everyone is lucky to get a good start.
RE:Its only in the dark that the eye begins to see
by Mohnu on May 01, 2008 08:32 PM Permalink
I agree with you, Lakshmi.
If the foundation is strong, only then can the building stand for long!
I have been in industry for 23 yrs, and have seen any no. of MBAs who are administratively weak and have no clue how to handle lower level people, since they are so absorbed in their spreadsheets and strat plans!
RE:Its only in the dark that the eye begins to see
by Mohnu on May 01, 2008 08:32 PM Permalink
I agree with you, Lakshmi.
If the foundation is strong, only then can the building stand for long!
I have been in industry for 23 yrs, and have seen any no. of MBAs who are administratively weak and have no clue how to handle lower level people, since they are so absorbed in their spreadsheets and strat plans!
rather, it is the mindless pursuit of the Government's reservation policies that every farmer and local entrepreneurs now turn to free education and a fat purse in a govt. job - in short defective system of education and governance of the same...
The majority of the students who pass out from any college have no idea of the subjects that they have studied... what then to speak of experience...!!!
Now there is a situation that the market is flooded with low quality graduates and post graduates... some, due to their individual abilities, climb the ladder and the others are just dead ducks...
The Entrepreneurial spirit has died in most of the lower and middle class Indians... and when some IIM grad realises this, it is headlines!!!
We all should be literate - this is essential to understand systems and processes and to learn new thoughts and improve continually... it does not mean that we run after desk jobs...
The result of such extreme thinking leads everyone
=> to cramp only in metros => to leave their current means of living
as a result, those who genuinely want to pursue agri or other such business also are short of people who would work under them...
RE:I dont believe that such a situation is purely due to the job boom...
by riyfkm on May 01, 2008 04:56 PM Permalink
Are you ready to provide lakhs for your annual education fees??? if so then lots of companies would open colleges and you can choose ur own college based on their credentials... and mind it.. it becomes a profitable business and in the end... no need for reservation... as there would enough colleges
1. Our young professionals are partly to blame - they do not have the patience to work at a job for long and look to job hop at better salaries. In any career, you have to start from grassroots and the work you do may not be related to your academic learning. I am a CA with 14 years experience but I started my career as a branch accountant and even wrote pay in slips for cheques received.
2. At the heart of this dark side is the MBA boom. MBA is a hyped and overrated degree. It is meant as a finishing school for a graduate or an engineer the way it is in the US. But here any person who does an MBA thinks he is Gods gift to the corporate world. I have myself seen young graduate engineers and MBAs demanding SUVs and club memberships as part of their package.
3. Also, companies are to blame for not fitting in people commensurate with their qualifications. This is the job of HRD and in fact, HRD should conduct work studies for all new jobs and posts to evaluate the qualification and experience fit. But in most companies in India, HRD is the worst department only recruiting people and screwing people and encouraging personal vendettas in the work place. People often recruit without regard to the qualifications needed and this is often the cause of attrition.
4. I also agree with Mr Garg - I feel that abroad, people are far more transparent and open and are willing to tolerate mistakes at the initial level. Essentially much better people.
India's govt is very corrupt. Only politicians, IAS and sarkari kutt*as earn money by fat salaries and Gandhi Allowance. If u start as entrepreneur, they will want you to work for u without getting ur payments. A class of imp*otents rules this country. Better, just get out of this country. You may start in a small way, but u will progress and prosper. There will be problems, but do not look back. I advise every young person who wants to rise to leave this country at the earliest available opportunity.See Lakshmi Mittal, he is NRI Indian but does not produce a single ton from India.
The writer is a Gold Medalist IIT engineer with dual post graduate degrees in mech and civil with 30 years experience and lost 39 payments with govt departments and left India and finds outside world far far better and enterprising. Within 2 years he could recoup and stands on better footing.
A few facts: 1)A few so-called MBA institutes are a sham. Their grads are so dumb about the reality of market that I can say I was almost phycially sick. 2) An MBA is a finishing degree. It is supposed to make you street smart and fleet footed. In some MBA institutes, MBAs are taught like high school - mug it up, theoretical projects and vomit theoretical understanding and concepts on exam papers! 3) Most Indian companies are unwilling to take risks with adequately manpower at right levels. they want software engineers to write codev that a 8th grader would laugh at. In some manufacturing companies they use engineers to wrok on lathes. If MNC's could have their way they would hire graduates to clean floors. In India a graduate costs pennies compared to what an person with IQ of 50 would cost in the US/ UK. So if you can get a person with some intelligence to do a menial task, why increase risk and hire a lower grade person? At the end of the day, all workers must realize that at top managment level, people are called 'resources' and are counted alongside other resources like raw material, telecom equpment, computers. Thats what all employees are - resources. Completely replacable, having a cost, and something that must give an ROI.
Solution : join small companies where you are closer to top managment and your worth and hard work is recognized.
The fact of the matter is that large companies are just sweat shops ( for over 90%) of thier employees. The work is doen by large teams and work is done in tasks. To draw a parallel, each person has to only turn a nut & bolt, and when enough nuts and bolts have been turned, you get an engine. Only once in a blue moon does a new blue moon will a new engine get designed. So the nett result is that 99% of the ppl will be doing boring repetetive jobs (turning nuts& bolts) and only 1% get exciting jobs (design engines) and there will be 0.0001% who get the really good jobs of managing the ppl do the repetetive jobs or the exciting jobs - and that is top managment. Now if you are a normal grad with normal brain power and parents who dont own a company you have 99% chance of getting repetetive jobs, and 1% of chance of getting an exciting job and 0.0001% chance of making it into top managment with all your hair black.
The way to deal with this to get to look at job drudgery as a necessary evil and not get drowned in it. Accept that at MNC's and other large cos, your chance of working hard and getting into top managment is practically zero. The way to make it to the top is to join a small company (less than 500 ppl) which is growing fast. This applies to all industries like IT, BPO, Retail, Avation, telecom and manafacturing.
