U MAD MAN, 70% OF PEOPLE IN PALESTINE ARE YOUNG,WHAT HAVE THEY ACHEIVED?
MOST OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN INDIA ARE ON THE STREETS WITHOUTH FOOD..THIS WILL BE A GREAT PROBLEM..INDIA WITH ALL THE YOUNG WITHOUTH JOBS ,FOOD ETC WILL LEAD TO CIVIL WAR IN INDIA IN FUTURE..
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by venkatramana d on Jun 14, 2008 01:05 PM Permalink
All youngsters will be software engineers!hacking websites like rediff.com
What use is a huge young population if it is devoid of education and health. Already Indian cos claim that only 1 in 10 Indian graduate is employable, what to talk of 80% rural population that is mostly uneducated.In fact the increase in "non useful" kind of people and mindless growth in population that we can't feed or provide shelter or provide water or electricity could become a danger to India's survival. There could be revolutions- a minor symptom of which can be seen in 90% reservation and resentment from those that are not classified as OBC's or backwards. We can't even identify each person living in India; how can we count the numerous jhuggi jhompris, our security is already compromised. Mr. Miekani, many countries with very tiny populations have made a success of themselves even before globalization came about. One example- Japan. Lets learn from Japanese how they respect each individual in their country. Here in India, we don;t and can;t take care of our children who beg on the roads. how can we take care of our sick and the dying, many of us simply pass by them on railway stations and roads.
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by lalit gupta on Jun 14, 2008 06:07 PM Permalink
I am not sure how good is the article but think another way. Out of your 10 Indian graduates, how many are actually employable? I think not even 1. It is just because of type of education we get. It is just spending time in classrooms. Do everyone needs to know all the subject in his whole career? Majority will say "NO". But no one think that way because if you try to change the subjects you are worried about the old teachers, companies who have big stock of books and politicians who don't know any thing but still discuss it in parliament :).
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by AJ M on Jun 14, 2008 08:05 AM Permalink
Mr. Nilakani, you being the CEO of a very important company should talk of both pros and cons. Yes, population growth has helped only one sector of India and that advantage is a short term advantage. Actually it depends on how you look at it. If you don;t mind the many who die of hunger and starvation, then we have an advantage from the growing "worker" population. You are not seeing Indians, you are actually seeing Workers. I had expected a stinging message from you to our sleeping political leaders on why nobody is talking about population control in India. Everybody is afraid of Muslim;s opposition. China did the right thing.
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by Nitin Karwa on Jun 15, 2008 08:06 AM Permalink
I agree with your first point but your comment on people of any specific religion is not correct. The muslim fertility rate has gone down in India but in general going up for poor and/or unemployed Indians. I agree that lot of muslims have lots of children, but then I know of so many Hindus having 3 or 4 or even more kids.
RE:Nilekani 's narrow way of looking at population growth- Part 1
by AJ M on Jun 15, 2008 02:35 PM Permalink
Nitin: I wish I could agree with you. The fact of the matter is that among the huge uneducated mass (both Hindus and Muslims), Muslims make up a large chunk also. However it is less about uneducation as China has succeeded through policy planning even among it's uneducated. The real problem is in religious texts. Both Jewish and Muslim texts require men to reproduce in large numbers. All orthodox Jews do. Go to Brooklyn in NY and you will see 7-8 children (all well dressed) following their mothers to the Synagogue. My own Muslim classmates had huge families. I have heard numerous accounts about some Muslims thinking politically as well- why they should go for family planning when in next 15 years, they will overtake Hindu population.My Muslim colleague who attended Taliban hate preaching mosques in New York himself told me this (before 9/11). In fact most Muslims (hard core types) blame colonial Britain for stopping the spread of Islam, especially in India.
People with inferiorities can never progress the inabilities of Indians to use their own language has made them slaves to west and their thinking. Where in china with its pictographic language being used on computers unconcerned with English, and Japan with such similar language is widely and commonly used totally unconcerned with English, Germans uses only German, same with France. We have a awkward coolie country , whose only dream is not to be first but to b acceptably by the coolie masters(maybe They think they can get a job in America, like the IAS who sit around reading magazines that degrade our nation not concerned with the nations problems. Total focused with foreign without focus on the development of nation. This tradition of backwardness is because of the English coolie language excepting a third class hotch-potch, non-phonetic language as something superior then our own language. China acts like a superpower, Japan has its self respect, but in Indium only self-degradation. When the entire language of mathematics us the Mother tongue of all Indo-European language Sanskrit why Indian have no self-respect or confidence in themselves.
It is surprising that every one is missing the important point that so many Tamils have sacrificed with their life to continue English as the official language of India, there by enriching so many Indians with English knowledge. If Tamils had not stood against imposition of Hindi, Indians will not have the success like the one they are having in IT and other fields primarily because of the English knowledge. Consider Chinese, even though they are hard working and intelligent, they are not able to match the success of Indians in IT.
If India had continued with the policy of imposing Hindi and getting rid of English, India would have been another third world country and Indians would have had a primitive living.
Instead of cursing Tamils, learn to appreciate one of their greatest contribution to the growth and success of India.
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by SANJAY GUHATHAKURTA on Jun 14, 2008 03:33 AM Permalink
Shut up stupid. Don't preach something which you don't know.
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by Kumar N on Jun 14, 2008 03:36 AM Permalink
Idiot, let me know what you know?
What stops you from acknowledging the fact. If you don't know read history and respond.
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by Kumar N on Jun 14, 2008 03:46 AM Permalink
If you are ignorant about the Tamils struggles to keep English as the official language, read India Today date December 31, 2007, topic is 60 REVOLUTIONS — ANTI-HINDI AGITATION
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by Jabali on Jun 14, 2008 04:47 AM Permalink
YES, It is a known fact that Tamils opposed the imposition of Hindi. But to conclude that the then Tamils were able to for-see a better future for India with English than Hindi is far-fetched. The opposition to hindi was more inclined in getting political mileage for Tamil leaders like Karunanidhi etc. Also, TamilNadu has more number of Hindi Prachar-Sabhas than any other state in our country
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by Sanjay on Jun 14, 2008 05:10 AM Permalink
You sound like an ignoramus. It is because of English that India is backward and most infiltrated. Neither do Indian have the understanding of the subtleness of the English language nor they speak it clearly, and the time they waste trying to be experts in it they loose out on speaking their own language. So they become illiterate in both, because English remains a second language, and Hindi being much sophisticated linguistically is also they are failures.
As the entire language of mathematic is written in the language of Sanskrit, computer translation exists in every language.
We should learn the flaws of the barbaric non-phonetic language of English instead raising it falsely it to the level of Sanskrit the mother of the Indo-European languages.
First English is Hotch-Potch language it a language mix of German, France, Latin , local dialect, Hindi, any many other languages. Further neither it is phonetic nor it is standardized. It was the language of the uneducated. Fools that are Indian slavishly serve the west as coolie number one, except third class as first.
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by A. Swaminathan on Jun 14, 2008 01:29 PM Permalink
Kumar..Your argument is also valid , but the hindi walas, don't accept that. Don't worry . Karunanidhi & Co might have done anti Hindi agitation for political reason, but surely,that has helped lot of Tamils to progress in life.
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by Ashok Gobindram Lulla on Jun 15, 2008 09:50 PM Permalink
Sorry, This is a continuation of my truncated response to the post from Deepak.
Continuation:
The poster is stuck in a time-warp, when he refers to Laila-Majnu & Shrin-Farad shairis. These are shairis are tired cliches, which the less-original dialogue writers may resort to. Today's movies are miles and eons removed from those themes; they are solely urban-oriented, and NRI-centric. Shah Rukh Khan, Yash Raj Films, PNC, UTV, are keenly aware of where their most profitable markets are. And package their movies, accordingly.
It does not matter if Urdu-walas do not use Apman for Bezzati, but Urdu-lovers lament that the language has practically lost its usage here.
In today's Hindi Cinema, pure Urdu Ghazals and Qawalis are rare, because the situations call for a polyglot dialogue (Bambaiya and Hinglish) and songs.
Mere Mehboob's ghazals and songs are a part of our concsciousness, just as Na To Caravan Ki Talash Hai, ghazals and nazms of Talat Mahmood, Sham-e-gham ki kasam. And so too are Shastriya-sangeet-based gems like Man Tadpat Hari Darshan Ko Aaj, Man Re Tu Kahe Na Dheer Dhare, Sur Na Sajey Kya Gaaon Main, Laga Chunri Mein Daag, and Ka Karoon Sajni.
Hindi is the premier language--almost akin to mother tongue--of the North, covering UP, Bihar,Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Uttaranchal, and even Delhi. That is a huge chunk of India. huge chunk of
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by Calspadeaspade on Jun 17, 2008 05:09 PM Permalink
He also forced Tamil medium in schools while his children were educated in convents with English medium.Why this double standard? All the Netas brag about how we should have a common Indian language and impose HIndi or Tamil in schools while their children get educated in best English medium schools.
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by viswanatha seshadri on Jun 14, 2008 11:46 PM Permalink
The socalled employable sector graduating these days, are the ones who have worked very hard to get selections, since reservations are stacked against their selection. But, these are also the ones who have learnt their mother tongue, english, hindi, and sanskrit, along with german or french also, so that they can survive somewhere on the globe. These are what nilakheni calls the youmg human capital of india. He should thank the reservationist politicians of the country for the indirect benefit.
But the bulk of the unemoployable graduates coming out should turn upon the politicians and ask them to compensate for property lost, for the useless education offered in the institutions run commercially by the same politicians, with the reservation carrot for attracting them!.
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by JaiHanumaan on Jun 14, 2008 05:22 AM Permalink
Look buddy tamils, did not change anything , they just sold their interests, which unfortunately is part of india to US capitalism. If they continue to misbehave it will become the cause of downfall of america and onceits protector has declined i power they will have no where to go. So, south indians are seeking protection by US military might just by bad mouthing North Indians.
Your race and language will extinguish, if tamilians leaders continue to badmouth north indians. You ppl are a grand desing in the scheme of things to bring in global destruction.
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by Ashish Kanekar on Jun 14, 2008 11:05 AM Permalink
So what are the South Indians supposed to do instead? Follow in the footsteps of Lalu, Mulayam, Maya and create a UP/Bihar out of South India?
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by JaiHanumaan on Jun 23, 2008 04:21 AM Permalink
No, Of Lalu And Mulayam , mayawati is much better. South is land of ancient culture of india, which needs to be protected and gaurded against the rampant capitalism, which is now driving changes in south aswell as north , for that matter even maharashtr is dirty culture.
India is reeling under sheer greed in todays secnario. SHAME SHAME.
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by ravinandanprakash agrawal on Jun 14, 2008 05:35 AM Permalink
u are completely wrong. It wasnt english pro fight. it was anti-hindi fight. how many tamilians can speak english you and I know that..
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by deepak on Jun 14, 2008 06:43 AM Permalink
Hindi never had a fair chance of becoming anything more than just a link language you use to buy groceries. Hindi is an utterly confused language and needs to define itself. Hindi speakers themselves prefer Urdu...Bollywood movies are made in Urdu, its writers are all Urdu users..its songs are Urdu..Bollywood stars use Urdu, hardly ever a few words of Hindi...how can Hindi aspire to be a serious language when it is so undefined? Its lexicon needs to be standardized..today Hindi sounds more like a Middle Eastern language rather than Indian....so Tamils or no Tamils, Hindi got chucked out on its own deficiency.
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by Ashok Gobindram Lulla on Jun 14, 2008 01:21 PM Permalink
I won't take personal potshots, but for your kind information, when BBC's Mark Tully visited Pakistan during Zia-ul-Huq's days, Mr. Zia made it a point to proclaim that Mark Tully speaks fluent Urdu. To which Mark Tully responded that he did not know Urdu; he clarified the language he spoke was Hindustani. This is a mixture of Hindi and Urdu. Before making such sweeping assertions, and revealng your ignorance-induced prejudice against Hindi, please understand that today's current songs are mostly in Hindustani or Bambaiya Hindi, and even Bhojpuri (Main raste pe ja rahta, aye, kya bolti tu... to give a couple of Bambaiya examples).
Hindi did not get "chucked out because of its own deficiency", as you put it, but because the ruling class, those who inherited power from the British, chose to cultivate English as their premier language.
Today, as a class, language dailies, including Hindi, outsell the combined circulation of English. And ad agencies have been quick to spot this. Which is why they have focused on recruiting and grooming talent like Piyush Pandey, Prasun Pandey, Prasoon Joshi (dear, dear me, all Hindi-walas, what are we coming to?).
Incidentally, it is reported that many of the new arrivals in Hindi Film Industry (not Bolloywood, mind you) do not know a word of formal Hindi. Lucky Ali had to have the lyrics of the Hrithik Roshan debut Kaho Na Pyaar Hai, in English(!). And he, it is reported did not know the word "aas"-hope. He wanted to pronounce it as a-se!
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by deepak on Jun 14, 2008 07:21 PM Permalink
Hindustani is another name for Urdu. The sad fact is Hindi speakers prefer Urdu for its sophistication and Hindi never became a popular literary media which Urdu enjoyed. Therefore Bollywood today, like it always has been, became the center of Urdu poets, dialog writers etc. Bollywood movies might have a smattering of a few Sanskrit words, but the syntax, idioms & metaphors are invariably Urdu...the imagery is almost always Laila/Majnu & Shrin/Farhad as well as the references are in Shairi and not in Kavitas. There is no problem there of course, but it does underline the marginalization of Hindi which the center adopted. I say Hindi is undefined because no two sources use the same language...even Zee TV uses a strange language of English words and mostly Urdu. Languages do adopt foreign words but not to the extent that it loses its native color and creates confusion. Hindi creates confusion, its diction is not standard. Urdu is far more regulated...Urdu will never use the word Apman for Beizzati, for example. Hindi somehow doesnt take off Ashok. Btw Urdu previously tried in E Pakistan was so i nappropriate despite its Islamic color that the broke up the country. Hindi should rely on Sanskritized version if it has to appeal to all Indians.
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by Ashok Gobindram Lulla on Jun 15, 2008 03:09 PM Permalink
I must doff my cap to the vast knowledge of Urdu's usage in Hindi Cinema of this poster. It's funny when you think that a man like Mark Tully, who spent the best of years of his life in India, makes it a point to clarify to the then President of Pakistan, that the language he speaks is Hindustani, and not Urdu, and we have this poster proclaiming Hindustani is another name for Urdu! Such sweeping generalisatins: Munshi Premchand, Bachhan, Nirala, Mahasweta Devi Verma, Pant, Rakesh Mohan, all these I presume are Urdu writers, who preferred Urdu in their writings.
Incidentally, yesterday, I had the opportunity to attend a musical programme, which was themed on Varsha. The initial 'act' highlighted the expectancy of the villagers, the farmers, as they see the clouds gather. The opening invocation was Ai Mallik tere bandhey hum, this is a Hindustani song using both Urdu and Hindi(bada kamzor hai aadmi...tu amavas ko kar de poonam) The initial 8-10 songs were mostly Bhojpuri, from films like Mother India: Dukh-bhare din bitay-re bhaiya, Ghadi-wale ghadi dheere hank re and Holi ayi re, Ummad-ummad kar ayi re ghata, Nain ladh gai re to manva ma kasak (from Dilip Kumar's Ganga Jumna), Pinjare-wali muniya. The presenter was a Marathi, and most of his artistes and accompanyists were Marathi.
The poster is stuck in a time-warp, when he refers to Laila-Majnu & Shrin-Farad shairis. Today's movies are miles and eons removed from those themes; they are solely urban-oriented, and NRI-centr
Nilekani missed the greatest factor that makes India what it is..Hinduism that gives it tolerance and a passivity to accept failures...Indians are also the most professional of people as they do their duty guided by ancient messages of the Geeta that a person must do his duty. India lives with 130 million Muslims whereas little Denmark has problems with 250000 Muslims..add to it several languages and ethnic groups. India is India because it is Hindu. How could Nilekani miss that??
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by ravinandanprakash agrawal on Jun 14, 2008 05:38 AM Permalink
agreed bro..never actually thought of capitalism from hindu point of view..
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by Rajendra Rao on Jun 14, 2008 03:16 AM Permalink
100% agree. Hinduism is what makes India tick. Look at Porkistan! 100% Muslims, and the country is a dismal failure. No Islamic country has the technological know-how of India. Nilekani missed the boat (the train, the bus) on this one. Even Tom Friedman acknoledges Indian Muslims arew lucky to be in India, becausde we Hindus put up with Mooselems, even payinmg for free Haj trips for these namak harams.
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by Calspadeaspade on Jun 15, 2008 11:09 PM Permalink
You are spot on. In early 50s 60s 70s educated Hindus were reluctant and apologetic about their religion owing to the inferiority complex created by pseudo secular chiefs. Typically they were pseudo intellectuals leaning to the left and convent educated english speaking. In late 80s there was more awareness to our HInduism and HIduism is what united people from different states. Hindus are more proud and confident. That changes the way think and their attitude.One has to be proud of their roots. Hinduism is our roots even for Muslims and Christians of India.
Strange thoughts. Can't really agree with all. Firtly, population. Just because businessmen like Mr.Narayanmurthi and Nilekani have taken advantage of India's high population, it does not mean that it ceases to be India's biggest problem. Mr. Nilekani needs to think out-of-his "Infosys box".
Secondly, entrepreneurship. Entrepreneurship in India? It would make a cat laugh. Mr.Nilekani was a perfect example of entrepreneurship, no doubt. However, to generalise that India is breeding ground of entrepreneurship, is a false statement. Yes, India has a huge pool of entrepreneur skills, but who channelises them? The Govt? Question doesn't arise. People like Mr.Nilekani? Neither. That's why, in India, in terms of companies, there are very few options the average Indian IT guy has. And if you count the number of non-Indian companies present in India, the number far outstretches the number of Indian-owned companies.
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by MNC on Jun 13, 2008 09:24 PM Permalink
I think you didnt understand his point properly. What he means is, say around year 2050, India will be the country with more young people and young talents, rest all coutries will have more old people population then young people and the best example of it is CHINA.
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by Effortless on Jun 14, 2008 05:08 AM Permalink
Yes India will have largest young people in 2050 with more crowded cities, more cars, more pollution, perhaps more money and goods. As it is the roads in cities look like parking garages and in 2050 even small cities would become one. Mr.Nilekani is an entrepreneur but he should also be thankful that he is in IT business a large part of its growth is due to outsourcing. But India is not just IT.
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by Effortless on Jun 14, 2008 05:12 AM Permalink
The above point is about large population and not about other points Mr.Nilekani made. No doubt Mr.Nilekani is a top entrepreneur and has achieved tremendous success but we cannot ignore the population explosion which is negating the high economic growth to a large extent.
SINCE abolishing reservations is difficult, india should try benefitting from reservations instead of suffering. And the way to do that is excluding the creamy layer from BC,SC,ST reservations. This will reach reservations to the poor BC,SC,ST who need it and will also keep the upper castes less angry abt reservations and will benefit india eventually
India has improved in leaps & bounds with the introduction of electronic voting machines and a clean and effective Electoral Commission. One step further, to eliminate some of the lacunae witnessed during the recent Karnataka elections where the voter lists were incomplete or erratic, would be to have the entire electoral lists of internet sites (with adequate security of course) and allow citizens to vote through the net. It can be done, if the will is there. Now, almost all financial transactions, that carry far more risk to the involved parties, happen over the net - stocks, banks etc., so why not voting via the net....??? I think it will be more speedy, accurate and convenient. And the lazy upper & middle classes will have no excuses to avoid voting.... What say Mr. Nilekani??
Economics and world affairs are very complicated phenomenon. The people who achieve success by identifying certain opportunities at certain time are identified as leaders. Such leaders have a tendency to fetch out their experiences based on opportunities the encountered, and tell what has made this world to change. They are not witness to so many miseries and difficulties faced by common man even today in India. They even do not have access to witness to look at this part of the world. Sitting at some remote place and making comments about the progress of the country can fetch a very small audience who are also beneficiaries of such circumstantial happenings. No one in this world can have a very realistic view of this world. If any body has got such a view, he will be another BUDDHA or JESUS.
