Education, coupled with exposure to the world through media and Internet, blew away all cobwebs of inferiority complex which was legacy of Foreign rule, caste system etc.etc.This has really created platform of self-confidence and self-reliance.The change was thus inevitable.
RE:Changed India
by deepak on Jun 16, 2008 05:35 AM Permalink
India was insular due to the stupid policies of Nehru. Indians always had the brilliance to take on the world in its own terms...Nehru's socialist policies protected and stunted Indian entrepreneurial spirit. By now India would be producing its own brand name autos, ships, & planes.
RE:Changed India
by Srinivasan Ramiah on Jun 15, 2008 01:33 PM Permalink
You are right,Suresh. All the hate Philosophies like Communism ,etc. got devalued because of this and unproductive,violent and meaningless "Struggles" took a backseat [though NOT elimina ted, especially in Bengal and Kerala]. This is a major reason India is moving ahead.
why are they paying this much money to US 1st and 2nd year college students to visit india and train in infy for 2 months? is it on par with atleast the starting salary of infy engineers?
RE:does infy pay 50k INR/month to fresh grads?
by raj on Jun 15, 2008 07:54 AM Permalink
the pay is according to pay structures in respective countries. they are not out to deliver justice. they are a commercial entity who will do whats required of them for the respective markets
RE:INDIA NOT CHANGED WE R STILL SLAVES
by Mind Clear on Jun 15, 2008 12:49 AM Permalink
Colonization was one of the best things that happened to bring modernization to India. All Nobel laureates came during that time. Colonization and partition reinstated the values of education, industrialization, secularism, democracy, one-law at least for non-muslim majority, uniform civil code, gender equality, research, development, science and technology and we continued on the same values of human civilization. What India has achieved in such a volatile neighbourhood with religious madness going on and yet the fact that democracy did not falter, shows the inherent strength of the nation and its people. There will always be problems but within all that one has to push oneself in body and mind and strive to excel in various ways and get inner fulfillment in life. At the end, that is what matters. Slavery is a state of mind. Was Tagore or CV Raman slaves?
RE:INDIA NOT CHANGED WE R STILL SLAVES
by Zhakas Bhidu on Jun 15, 2008 11:52 AM Permalink
That's if you look from your western tinted glass. But colonization is a bad thing happened to India, else India would have shown it's old glory thru indigenous ways like China, Russia, some of the Eu countries. One thing colonization did is to ensure that every thing is measured thru the western (so called modern) barometer sidelining our strength in traditional education, medicine, farming spiritual life and Indian modernity. Now everything has to be measured by money, material stuff, coverage in English media, in Hollywood, and what west thinks about us. It will take may be another 100 years for our own people to realize what we lost because of colonization.
RE:INDIA NOT CHANGED WE R STILL SLAVES
by adrgdr on Jun 15, 2008 12:05 PM Permalink
Pure nonsense. Your dichotomy shows in words "one-law at least for non-muslim majority". What happened to the wealth British carried out? Why is our Rs at 80 to Pound Sterling? If the wealth was with us, it would have been Rs 1 to 80 Pound Stertlings. Right from the days of Chanakya, there was a One India Idea. It was called Bharath Varsh. India could have grown much faster and bigger if there was no British rule.
RE:INDIA NOT CHANGED WE R STILL SLAVES
by David Jacob on Jun 15, 2008 12:32 PM Permalink
"Right from the days of Chanakya, there was a One India Idea. It was called Bharath Varsh."
I think it is thanks to the foreign invaders that this idea of one India has been put into practice. To take a simple example, I now live 20 kilometres away from my hometown - Just 200 years ago, the two places were it different petty kingdoms, which fought frequent inconclusive little wars with each other. There is even a little town on the way, whose name is a reminder that that was where taxes were collected from people crossing the border. It would be very disrupting to my schedule today if I had to go through Customs every time I visited my parents.
The british did a lot to damage India, true - but some of the changes they made were for the better - and if we know what is good for us it will prevent opportunistic 'political' leaders from taking us back to the bad old days.
RE:INDIA NOT CHANGED WE R STILL SLAVES
by AJ M on Jun 15, 2008 02:17 PM Permalink
Mind Clear, you aren't c;ear about everything. Slavery is a state of mind for you and me. For the poor rickshaw puller, he knows he can't think of sending his children to school so he doesn;t even bother himself thinking about school admissions. A dying young man in a village who can't reach a hospital or call ambulance services attributes his early demise to the will of God. So for them "Slavery" is real. They are slave to their miserable living conditions that the better off take advantage of. Did British colonization bring benefits? Yes, I agree huge benefits although at a high price of nation being looted. Apart from other benefits you mention, British unified the country, put a check on the Muslim growth, put a check to the aggressiveness in neighbors. As long as the British were there, there was no attempt by any country to invade India except Japanese during WWII. Can we modern INdians learn something from our history and the British method of controlling "bad" guys and "bad" neighbors. We didn't learn to use the carrot & stick policy even after seeing its use for 300 years. Both things that Indians haven't been able to do even today.
RE:INDIA NOT CHANGED WE R STILL SLAVES
by Calspadeaspade on Jun 15, 2008 10:46 PM Permalink
Dfinitely colonialization followed by 2nd world war changed lot of things for the better in many countries like India, Indonesia and malaysia. We should also thank 2nd world war for crippling Britain, That is the reason they left India, Malaysia singapore and Sri Lanka (which were all British colonies).For their own convenience Brits centralised India with railways and Post office.Good things can happen to a people due to evil and bad things can happen to a place because of too much saintliness. If British were not in India, India will be a country like Rawanda or Sudan or Afganistan with huge Muslim population but no oil. We may be fighting wars for ever.This is the truth but peoole cant handle it.
Number 1 reason is Gandhi family and congress party. It was Soniaji that allowed narshima rao to become PM after Rajivji's untimely death. It was with Soniaji's blessing that we liberalized the economy. Not only that, but it was because of Soniaji that India has been progressing. Mr Nilekani, India is nothing without Soniaji.
RE:RE:INdia changed because of Gandhi family
by Sanjay on Jun 15, 2008 08:48 AM Permalink
PM Rao always tried to keep Sonia from politics, He was self made with lots of inititives startd by him. Very educated person, very progressive, giving this nation some direction. Under Sonia raj, this counrties is negotiating its own territory with China, Pakistan, Sir Crrek, Saichin Glacir, Siikim, Aurnachal, others like Lahdak, Kashmmir.Greater terrorist treat unable to even catch people who do terrorist crimes. Nepal governmet fall to communist becaus like of military support to Nepal.Having a cross on the two ruppes coin, communal eductaion, communal budgeting, anti Hindu activites like destroying Ram Sethu.
Further High inflation, and increase taxes, more loot, coolie raj. The ration of goods and waiting list like LPG.
The inability to protect farmers and weaker section, Nandigram, Converting farm land to commerial, sealing of small businss inorder for entry of big retail, farmer sucides. Absolute power.
We are back to high inflation Big government oof pre -reforms of PM Rao
RE:INdia changed because of Gandhi family
by rasputin on Jun 15, 2008 11:55 AM Permalink
if that`s your real worry,you don`t they try vasudara raje or sushma swaraj.go for desi !!!
RE:INdia changed because of Gandhi family
by indrajeet on Jun 15, 2008 02:40 PM Permalink
Sonia and the congress party is the reason why India is still in poverty after 60 years even now.
The bjp government, during its 5 years in power in the centre, created 4000 km of roads and highways , while the congress in its 50 years in power, had created only 432 km of highway roads.
RE:INdia changed because of Gandhi family
by Calspadeaspade on Jun 19, 2008 04:43 PM Permalink
Inspite of Nehru family India progressed . Imagine how great it would have been if Patel and Rajaji ruled India. Patel would have disciplined Indians and Rajaji would have brought open economy and prosperit yto India. He would have been very shrewed with foriegn policy. Today India would have been in the state of china but with free democracy.
When you don't have job for nearly 65 % of engg graduates ( leave alone the rest of population ), how come the young population becomes human capital. May this is huge capital for IT companies for their Balance sheet, but not for a country ?. Where do you find, basic facilities for this huge population ? You will conveniently put this as Govt responsibility ? It Seems Nilekani, thinks in the interest of Infy and a bunch of IT companies alone.
RE:How population could become human Capital ?
by deepak on Jun 14, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
Of course population is capital..without population how will even an economy be stirred up? consider 10 people living amid huge resources..how many toothpastes do they need? 10....consider 100 people enjoying same amount of resources, their needs go up there is more economic activity. Properly utilized everything can be capitalized.
RE:How population could become human Capital ?
by raj on Jun 14, 2008 02:52 PM Permalink
frankly, i dont get your point. he has a niche industry. its not his job to give others job. he's just stating his point. its upto to the people nd the government to see that they get a job by exploring new venues. we cant get a software job for all the teeming millions. rural areas can come on its own by generating jobs in niches there. but we have a standard lines of thinking - goto school, college after the same old standard degree apply for a job. we used to have doctors and enggs now we have software enggs.
we are happy within our cosy corners, and expect either the government to create us a job , or apply for the most popular vocation of our times. everyone else doing anything else does an "odd job" or is a wierdo, he isnt "dowry worthy" and "socially relevant" job kinds. damn shame that our soceities are so rigid, where there's total lack of dignity of labour!
RE:How population could become human Capital ?
by Calspadeaspade on Jun 15, 2008 10:48 PM Permalink
All this is Nehru's dialogue. Nehru will say things like POpulation is our treasure.
You suckers, dont waste your time writing all this, people who matter and who have the power to change never even read all these posts. In fact some of our leaders cant even read english. And people who read it and form an opinion dont vote. Even if they vote they are a tiny tiny minority. Your vote after reading and discussing is in the end equal to a vote of a poor unfortunate villager who will also vote for a bottle of country liquer or for 50 rupees. So count your luck that even after being an indian you are an elite lot that you have a computer and internet and can write english. Thank God for whatever you already have. God will take care of all.
RE:Dont waste time
by rna on Jun 14, 2008 01:02 PM Permalink
Look what u have done...Wasted so much of time in junk post....That tooooo a long One! So congratulations...Being pioneer in Sucker!
