There is a mis-conception (unfortunately) regarding the Indian disapora, what is true patriotism, what is it?
It is not using 'F' word to describe us living in USA It is not crapping about how bad is India It is not only by means of serving in rural areas in India It is not only by joining the army
While these are fine, we Hindus in USA, Europe and far East have been silently establishing what India actually means to the world- brains, hard work, unfailing service to humanity in broad terms, bringing the countries of the world together, to make others appreciate what India is now- a complex country raped through the ages by mooslems, and yet we stand and shine.That is what India is.Because of us, in the last few years, billions of dollars worth of businesses have gone to India. If India was stand alone, and people like this loser Malik are crapping on India, who will come to invest in India to improve her?
Americans appreciate the spiritual beauty of India. Yoga and Ayurveda are wide-spread in USA and Europe now- That is due largely to expats like us. This in turn creates great good will andappreciation for India.
Tom Friedman;'s book the world is flat described what pride he has for India and Indians.That is far more than losers like some people here are describing India.
Having read through all the messages previously posted i(as an Indian national who has a vision for himself and for his country) thought it would be best to put down my views here...
In a competitive world, where challenges and threats surround every individual in the micro level and every nation in the macro level it is the need of the hour to understand the direction in which human race is heading. In this context comes 'development', a term which must mean more to every Indian than any other national.
Innovation is a part, a major part of rapid development. Innovation is essentially something brand new just like a new born child ! Does it mean we innovate more than any other nation. YES AND NO... (No pun intended!!). We got to get its meaning in the CORRECT sense. We have to come to a stage where people from other nations say---> Indians do it the best way...! The Indian way is good No side effects...The indians are damn good at it man..!!! (Again no pun intended unless the reader chooses otherwise)
So go and choose best ways to get work done rather than contemplating on what is existing...Take the juice from the past and forget the rest...As for Mr Anu and others it is a good damn practice for debate...As for the readers Go Innovate or at least try to innovate...Keep in mind dont make it Geometric Progression...Make it Arithmetic...!! Dont u c ...Indians are Arithmetic savvy.. ;-)
It looks your messages look well thought and not just a emotional outburst. But, I can't accept that Indians do nothing. Maybe among the jobs that use head we are following others. We dont invent, we still run the British designed coaches, which is hell during the summer time. No design changes have been put in, other than changing the body-building material.
But, on the other side. Let us take the case of the Mumbai rains some years ago and the Hurricane Katrina in the US. Mumbai received more rains that in some of the areas, the third floor of a multi-storeyed building was under water. The rainfall in New orleans was much less. Still, the Indian Army did a fantastic job in rescuing people with minimum casualty. Mind you, they have achieved this with almost zero infrastructure of Mumbai. Whereas in New Orleans, there are emergency lanes in almost all the streets and the US army has state of art tools like the speedboats and still they managed a very-poor job.
Take the case of the Indian farmer. With zero infrastructure he is keeping the most of the nation hunger-free. Of course, there are ill-fed people, but those are because of politics and not shortage of grains. Technically speaking, an Indian farmer is very much eligible for a noble prize.
India might now be poor, but just 300-400 years ago, 35% of the world's trade has been from India. -to be continued-
RE:Can this message calm Annu down?
by Siva on Jul 03, 2008 02:20 PM Permalink
India has had trade-relationships with almost all the countries. The name of the south-american snake Anaconda is an example. It has got its name from its ability to kill elephants, which is YannaiKondran in tamil. In 500 BC, Buddha has listed all the scientific stuff that could have ever been discovered by the humankind. He has spoken about his evolution from a single-celled creature and he has gone deeper in speaking about the sub-atomic particles. You just go through his preachings and there will be no need for you to speak about other inventions. The yogis in india(real ones not the duplicates who have big names in the society and run big organisations) are capable of hell a lot of activities that even Einstein wouldn't have dreamt off.
Our yogis have designed great spiritual processes starting from temples and alas, they finally came up with Sanskrit, whereby you are initiated into the spiritual process by just talking a language, after all the different forms of yoga.
No other country has contributed to spiritual processes than India. Chinese and Japanese processes take root in Buddhism. Jesus christ between his age of 16 and 30 lived in India learning buddhism.
Once you start investing your time in spiritual processes, all other urges fade away. Because, what you have in hand is priceless compared to other worldly products and inventions. That is why, we Indians have never shined in worldly inventions.
RE:Can this message calm Annu down?
by Annu Malik on Jul 03, 2008 02:26 PM Permalink
While i agree with the underlyign tone of what you are trying to say i beg to factually differ on katrina.
how can you compare the sixth-strongest Atlantic hurricane ever recorded in history with just mere rains in mumbai and the top economic capital of india having zero infrastructure ??
do you even know what a hurricane is ? winds blowing constantly at 280 km / hour and the new orleans is an area below sea level and it got flooded but most people were evacuated well ahead of that time. Total populatation affected and evacuated millions well ahead of time , casualities mere 1836 ! and people evacuated more than 15 million plus. What happened when tsunami hit south India 18,000 dead and india couldnt evacuate so many in short time.
In no way can Indian be compared with US or other developed countries as for disaster preparedness.
but in India we have a bloody 'sab chalta hai attitude' and on top we feel 'somewhat superior' without any commensurate results on the real ground. why are you insanely comparing a simple heavy rain with a hurricane ?? first go read about what a hurricane is then comment.
And I DONT want stories of past glories that your grandfather ate food made of pure gold and all that stuff either which are of zero relevance today.
On the other hand I agree with you that we all do salute and appreciate the indian farmer who through ages and today still feed us a full 16% of world's population with only 2.3% of the world area.
ANNU , your point or observation are right , i remeber a sean from SWADESH - when sharukh khan spoke - we always behind HAM AMAHAN HAI , HAMARI CULTURE HAMARI SANSKRITI MAHAN HAI . we always accuse west and and hide our shortcoming behind our so called superiority .
No doubt India was a great civilisation - but it was - it was fountainhead of all the world knowledge and riches - "it was" .
SO i can understand the anguish of annu ,
what it is now is more important - and every civilisation see its ups and down - once indian were at their peaks but no doubt we are at the bottom now.
How we are great when even today 60 million children sleep without food and hunger galore all around us and we indian vote on CASTE and religion basis and elect Corrupt and scoundral politician .
Every Big indian politician is worth Nothing less than Billion dollor in ASSET - Just name them - ? PAWAR , MULAYAM , LALU , KARUNANIDHI , ARJUN SINGH , SONIA , etc etc .
But DEAR ANNU at the end we have to bring the change .
I like your view mail me on prabhat_shcil@rediffmail.com
RE:DEAR ANNU your right , but we ourselves are responsible
by Rajendra Rao on Jul 03, 2008 03:29 AM Permalink
Why are you prostating your self to this low life Annu? There is nothing wrong with India, or Indians. Nothing to be ashamed of. India was and is a great civilization. The low life Annu is not in anguish, not is he a role model for you to worship.The guy is an obvious loser. Anyone who abuses India can't be an Indian. He is a Porkistani mooselem.
We Indians should feel proud what we are, what we have accomplished. Look at Porkistan- what do they have compared to India, when we got freedom at the same time? despite 1.1 billion people, many languages, Abrahamic cults trying to destabilize India, India continues to improve. Indian, especially Hindu diaspora is widespread all over the plant.I met many highly educated and respected Hindus even in remote areas of Scandanavia, and Africa. Most of the top students here in USA happen to be Hindus- and many go on to Ivy's to contribute to the society. What are we to be ashamed of? We came a long way in just 60 years after Brits left us dirt poor. Now, many American schools are trying to copy the success of Indian schools, and many Indian teachers are being imported to USA to teach math and science. Great universities such as University of Chicago, and U-Penn have 'Ramanujam' clubs that celebrate the math genius. Every remote rurtal area you visit in USA is serviced by an Indian doctor, who uis highly regarded. I have my own cousins who are Mds in large towns here, and they are well-respected. Thesedays, average American who sees an
RE:RE:DEAR ANNU your right , but we ourselves are responsible
by Rajendra Rao on Jul 03, 2008 03:33 AM Permalink
Indian knows that the person may be an MD, or an engineer, or a scientist. contd... A person who denegrates India like Malik, is unworthy of any praise. What has Annu, the low life done so far to uplift Indian image- it is in negative category. Compare that to any expat- we are the true ambassadors of Indian civilization, and what India is about- a positive image.
RE:DEAR ANNU your right , but we ourselves are responsible
by Annu Malik on Jul 03, 2008 10:47 AM Permalink
Links please to support your arguments and hard stats you idiot, not emotional self bragging rhetorics.
It is Indian villages which are missing doctors and healthcare, what the F are your cousing doing serving US rural area ?????
It is Indian colleges, Indian army, DRDO, etc which are facing massive staff shortages, what the F are you doing in USA and claiming to be biggest patriot ???
Besides you haven't been able to provide any links to your facts and arguments.
you were educated on indian taxpayers money, why are you justifying and overstating your importance by serving a white skin country than your own which is facing acute staff shortages ?
You must have heard a saying dhobi ka kuhtta na ghar ka na ghat ka , you are that
RE:DEAR ANNU your right , but we ourselves are responsible
by Rajendra Rao on Jul 04, 2008 12:32 AM Permalink
What stats you want?Why don't you buy the following book: Pride of India- a glimpse into india's scientific heritage' This is published recently by Samskrita Bharati (samkrita-bharati.org.
It is obvious you are just into using 'F' words to describe your frustrations, whatever they may be, perhaps sexual inadequacies? You could use Nitric-oxide agonists for it. If you are into denegrating India go ahead- It is like talking bad about your own mother, that is what you are doing. I feel sympathy for you.
As for patriotism- You mistake sitting in Delhi and picking on India as patriotism. What have YOU done? Mr. patriot? FYI- India's prosperity is largely due to expat Indian who have subcontracted work to India, established a wide base of Indian diapora outside India, and established a good name for Indians.I am outsourcing work right now with my home state, Karnataka. There is a lot of technlogy transfer from USA to India via Indians like us.
Sitting on your shriveled scrotal sac and crapping about us is not going to get you anywhere. You have absolutely no idea about Indians here in USA, what we do, and what we have done only enhanced the image of India. You probably never visited where I am, I have visited Delhi numerous times, and met losers like you.
At the end of the day- you are still frustrated, I am not- I can see the building where Dr. Khorana works, I can see many Indian scientists coming out of the Novartis lab on Charles river. Go figure where I am.
I agree Mr. Annu Malik, that we have not given anything significant to this world from the past 200 yrs, in which U.S has given so much. While agreeing cent percent that what u r saying is true, you should also agree that this present Indian status is bcos of our 'slave mentality' that we practiced over the yrs. Only fascination abt everything American is not going to bring abt changes in our country. From ages we were looted by external aggressors bcos we were not united. So poverty and population have become the biggest hurdles in our growth. And even though things are changing, we still have a long way to go. 5000 yrs ago we gave the world zero, astronomy and so many ancient marvels. But we did not propagate this knowledge amongst ourselves. So this crab mentality proved to be our downfall. So today we are neither basking in Indian glory nor Western. And our govts have not invested much nor encouraged scientists, so we have not produced many good ones. And remembers all those IIT'S which came out from our stables, they only complained abt India, did nothing here, and packed off to U.S. They forgot that IIT was bcos of Indian's tax payer's money. When talented people just turn their back to the nation, it can hardly produce good results. So we have to be satisfied with Sameer Bhatia's, or Narayan Murthy's
RE:Dear Mr. ANU MALIK
by Meenal Saxena on Jul 02, 2008 09:44 PM Permalink
Whatever Annu Malik wrote is nothing but a brutal truth. As they say, "reality bites", therefore we see so many people getting agitated with his posts.
RE:Dear Mr. ANU MALIK
by Annu Malik on Jul 02, 2008 09:54 PM Permalink
Those Indians who claim that we have become IT superpower let me remind them:
1) There is MICROSOFT WINDOWS. We don't have any such thing as Wipro Windows or Infosys Windows or TCS Windows, have we?
2) There is ORACLE. We don't have any such animal called Wipro Oracle or Infosys Oracle or TCS Oracle, do we?
3) There is SAP ERP, do we have Wipro ERP or Infosys ERP or TCS ERP?
4) There is Adobe Acrobat, do we have Wipro Acrobat or Infosys Acrobat or TCS Acrobat ?
5) There is Microsoft Word/Excel/etc what about Wipro Word/Excel/etc or Infosys Word/Excel/etc or TCS Word/Excel/etc?
6) We buy Russian/Israeli/South African/American weapons. India a "SUPERPOWER"? My foot... My a**.
Wake up to the reality... recognize where we are lacking... only then can we one day really become a superpower. If we bury our head in sand like an ostrich and refuse to see, accept and acknowledge the reality we shall never do what should be done, we would be wallowing in false glory, false pride. As long as we do not confront the reality head-on, we will never do the right thing. You will make ammends only when you first accept that there is something wrong, as long as you continue to be fooled that everything is great and correct you will not make the ammends and so you will continue to be wrong.
Ask any european or american or japanese or german or kenyan or zambian ... about "finnacle" !!! they won't know about it ... whereas ask any of them about MS Windows / MS Excel
RE:Dear Mr. ANU MALIK
by bsn on Jul 02, 2008 11:29 PM Permalink
hey you are right about most things but dont be stupid enough to curse infosys or wipro..we are moving forward because of these companies..you dont need to have a "infosys windows" to progress or give something to the world..ok we havent achieved anything great in the recent times but we have to ecxel in what we do and if infosys or wipro becomes the best service company in the world( now its just one of the best) then damn it will be great.
RE:Dear Mr. ANU MALIK
by Annu Malik on Jul 02, 2008 09:56 PM Permalink
And further if you think writing "modules" in C and Java as innovative work !!! Then MAY GOD SAVE MY COUNTRY !!!!
No wonder India's worldwide share of global IT industry is a paltry 2% and this is when every second tom dick and harry is an IT professional !
RE:Dear Mr. ANU MALIK
by kasak on Jul 03, 2008 07:19 AM Permalink
annu malik just imagine India without IT revolution. U may be somewhere in your house in suburbs of mumbai or delhi.u must be waiting for agovt. job, which if u get then u will be 10th heaven. ur settled and ready to get married and u know ur payscale. ur income p.a. and what u end up after 30 years of service.
RE:Dear Mr. ANU MALIK
by EkaIndian on Jul 02, 2008 10:10 PM Permalink
You are one enough pull Indians down. Probably you are having Pakistan blood. Before Indians stone you get lost from here.
RE:Dear Mr. ANU MALIK
by Guest on Jul 02, 2008 11:06 PM Permalink
wat malik is telling is right...criticism is important for progress..He is giving statistics which if right tells the entire indian story...btw we are still a developing nation and also btw china has better infrastructure and is moving ahead of india..we are just happy and contented to just sit around thinking we invented everything and more developed than US or china but infact havent been doing much..i havent done anything significant in my life to critize like this but only criticism will take us forward not some stupid self appraisal like the morons here are doing
RE:Dear Mr. ANU MALIK
by Guest on Jul 03, 2008 04:27 AM Permalink
Not quite sure about what you are saying. There are some good SME companies in Inida which comes out with amazing products. One such is TAROBY. You can see them at taroby.org.
Annu Malik, or whatever your real name is, please, immediately visit a doc. YOu need help. If you do not prefer a indian doctor, no problem, visit any one u like. Just a friendly Indian advice.
Who decides which floor to move which direction? If tenant A decide to turn the floor to East and tenant B of the same floor wants to turn to west...who gets the priority?
