I myself being an employer/recruiter i have had very bitter experiences with people who after taking up an offer go back to their employers and black mail them for higher pay or positions and in turn i am sure it would prove suicidal for their career path.
RE:Excellent Article
by Loan Shark on Jul 02, 2008 03:07 AM Permalink
LOL ... if they don't join your client, you don't get commission and so you think it's suicidal for their career
more a person swicths jobs, more money recruiters make ... recruiters don't care whether a candidate is fit for the job or must he/she make a career move ... they just care for their cut.
Job seekers know that a recruiter's advice is loaded in his favor not the candidate's.
RE:RE:Excellent Article
by Rajagopal Bhat on Jul 02, 2008 05:51 AM Permalink
OK. forget a recruiter's advice for a minute. The issue is whether you will accept a counter offer or not immaterial of who get you the second job?
The question is not of recruiters commision but whether your boss/employer will have the same empathy for you down the line. From his eyes, you have extracted him pinching his vulnerability.
This is the difference between an employer and an employee. Employees mostly tend to think in terms of getting bigger cuts and less in terms of earning it.
I think the article has a lesson for all those who are likely to face that scene. There was no need to generalise that recruiters "don't care".
Judging recruites based on their career should lead you.
RE:RE:RE:Excellent Article
by Rajagopal Bhat on Jul 02, 2008 05:51 AM Permalink
OK. forget a recruiter\'s advice for a minute. The issue is whether you will accept a counter offer or not immaterial of who get you the second job?
The question is not of recruiters commision but whether your boss/employer will have the same empathy for you down the line. From his eyes, you have extracted him pinching his vulnerability.
This is the difference between an employer and an employee. Employees mostly tend to think in terms of getting bigger cuts and less in terms of earning it.
I think the article has a lesson for all those who are likely to face that scene. There was no need to generalise that recruiters \"don\'t care\".
Judging recruites based on their career should lead you.
Well, ya one should never take counter offer. In my whole career i have seen 6 instances of colleague in varied type of org and level taking counter offer , and none of them could sustain for more than 6 months. But on other hand i have also seen people rejoining organization after some time, and generally at much higher package and designation in comparison to employee who have been sticking to organization all thru . Strange world ...............
RE:RE:Strange world
by Amit on Jul 02, 2008 10:25 AM Permalink
Very true Boss, if your ex-company wants you, they can call you back with much higher salary.
RE:Strange world
by Rajdeep Chowdhury on Jul 01, 2008 11:41 PM Permalink
I exactly agree with you. Same people coming back after 1-2 years join at 80-100% higher salary but who stick to same organisation get usual 10% hike.
I wish this article had been published 7-8 months ago. I fell into the trap of a counter-offer, thinking my 'value' was being recognised, but alas... all promised were hoax, and i am repenting the biggest mistake of my career.
RE:Story of my life
by Srikanth Alapati on Jul 01, 2008 02:24 PM Permalink
Dont worry dude, u can consider changing now atleast!
Always remember, leave with a pleasant note saying, "I will come back!" Its upto you whether to comeback or not but u will retain ur value in both the places the former by leaving with a pleasant note and the later by accpeting the offer and being honest
RE:Story of my life
by Loan Shark on Jul 02, 2008 03:34 AM Permalink
good point ... always leave saying that you hold nothing against the company or the management and that you will consider returning if there were such an opportunity in the future ... this way, should things not work out in your new job or if they lied to you about the company, job or prospects, you can consider returning to the old job.
RE:job counter-offer?
by Gippi Dada on Jul 01, 2008 06:34 PM Permalink
Correct, and as far as most of my friends experienced, there are no such negative results.
Especially if you do-not accept financial gains, counter-offers are perfectly acceptable. No doubt, the writer (or any other head-hunter) will not like it as it means a good loss of money for him/her. But consider this, you have been with a company, you have built over years what would take you years again to rebuild at a new place. You have a positive history which is always better than zero. Also, counter offers often mean that the company realizes you are good but not happy in your current role and believes that you can succeed in a different role. I have several friends who have stayed back .. and succeeded.
RE:Let us not look at this ONLY from a head-hunter's pov
by Krishnakanth V on Jul 01, 2008 02:11 PM Permalink
Yes, I agree. I all depends on how you handle the negotiations with the current employer
RE:Let us not look at this ONLY from a head-hunter's pov
by Saravanan on Jul 01, 2008 04:32 PM Permalink
what anakin say is ok. now a days... but Hal Reiter exaggerate something that is not practical... Unfair Demand always has pros & cons..u know in business... but organisation also uses ugly tactics to cheat employee either paying less or not recognising... this also happens.. I know some guys, who were not given either of the above even after sincere service.. due to the management set up..and perspective or in other word in efficieny of the management system
Bottom line is never to do something that is not ethical. Accepting an offer and using it as a tool for other negotiations (with current or other companies) is unethical.
RE:Professional Ethics
by Sathish N on Jul 01, 2008 01:55 PM Permalink
agree. If the employer is unethical, quit that company. Employers need a good employee as much as an employee needs a good employer. It is a two way street. One cannot make decisions based on what other executives will gossip.
RE:Professional Ethics
by deadly boy on Jul 01, 2008 03:03 PM Permalink
In current day neither business nor businessmen know anything about ethics. It just about business and profits nothing more. I see this happening around me day in and day out. I am not sure if this is the case everywhere or is it just exploitation at certain places in the name of business.
How stupid this article is...like he is preaching kids...in his given example if that guy cudnt run a well estalblished firm where he was well aware but got fired in 3 years ...i am dead sure he wud have been fired in 3 months in that new middle level company where challanges were manyfold and environment was totally new...
RE:Is he fool or taking others fool?
by raja raja on Jul 01, 2008 02:19 PM Permalink
The board of directors at his current company should be criminal's thay make u to play chess games
RE:Is he fool or taking others fool?
by Free Thinker on Jul 01, 2008 01:49 PM Permalink
True..
Further, it's the lack of proper evaluation of the candidate by the recruiting company that hired the inexperienced guy in the first place. The company should have first checked if the guy had the capacity to do the job he will be assigned.
RE:Is he fool or taking others fool?
by Vijay Swaminathan on Jul 01, 2008 01:21 PM Permalink
That kind of displays your experience and knowledge. Although I am not sure or aware of the scenario, I wouldnt comment on this issue. I wish you would too.
RE:RE:Is he fool or taking others fool?
by Zeng on Jul 01, 2008 01:55 PM Permalink
If you are "not sure or aware of the scenario", obviously you should not. But that doesn't give you rights to wish that nobody does! What a crappy attitude and what a waste of time!
RE:Is he fool or taking others fool?
by Savio Figueiredo on Jul 01, 2008 01:42 PM Permalink
One of the basic rules of any discussion is disagree/ attack the views/opinions not the person. Words like fool, stupid abuse the writer. This is not proper ettiquette and does not help discussion.
RE:Is he fool or taking others fool?
by warner on Jul 01, 2008 02:10 PM Permalink
This is a fantastic article, with a lot truth of the current day coporate trend. People use offers to bargain with current employers. While short term goals are met (money, power, role, responsibility), in the long run people burn brigdes by looking at the short term goals. Urge you to give views on the topic and not irrarational opinions of people. It doesn't look too good in a forum where literacy prevails.
RE:Is he fool or taking others fool?
by Rahul Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 02:23 PM Permalink
i think example was wrong "3 years " doesnt substantiate author's claim. it makes him feel look like "crying over spilled milk". But nevertheless what the author is saying is true to our business environment.
This is one of the best article on accepting counter offer and there is no second thought about it.
However another side is that if the company's management is so bad that in the name of counter offer they cheat employees making promises and then the employees feel let down. It is very common in MNCs as well.
Again the over all point is that never accept counter offers. If you resign then better stick to it.
RE:One additional point
by Sathish N on Jul 01, 2008 01:59 PM Permalink
You are right that there are companies which cheat employee. There are also companies which don't cheat employees. There are employees who cheat the employer. There are also employees who don't cheat the employer. Don't think we can generalise in this. We need to make decision based on each individual case rather that based on a different case.
RE:One additional point
by Guest on Jul 01, 2008 02:50 PM Permalink
all these 'management/career/personality development' write ups are only sophistry. remember ' the moment of decision is madness'- by soren kierkegaard.
