RE:Everyone works hard
by Bhasmasur on Feb 01, 2008 12:49 AM Permalink
true...agree with you!! Talking to some IT guys, you will get the impression, that they are the only ones working hard....By Jesus, some of my friends in the aviation sector put in 14 hours on a daily basis and go thru some 60/70 eng. drawings on a daily basis...and it is sheer mental and physical exhaustion....
RE:Everyone works hard
by hellboy on Feb 01, 2008 01:06 AM Permalink
Have ur aviation frenz ever built somethin which can fly? ur frenz labour 14/hrs day and yet we depend on US , russia for planes. lets talk about some productivity here.
RE:Everyone works hard
by Surag Singh on Feb 01, 2008 12:50 AM Permalink
My classmates are surgeons and they are under high pressure always but enver show off like these IT guys!
RE:Check this out for a fact....
by Surag Singh on Feb 01, 2008 12:42 AM Permalink
IT guys are like donkeys. Hard working but so do we all work hard. But we also work smart. Also I insult coolies by calling them cyber coolies. They are the slaves of the Americans doing the low ende work and thinking they are Einsteins.
RE:Check this out for a fact....
by hellboy on Feb 01, 2008 01:01 AM Permalink
Aircraft "Maintenance" engineers dont build aircrafts either.Physical exhausion yes , mental exhaustion naa. I even wonder why do they get paid 70k / month to fit in a screw in the right hole. If IT guys are not einsteins, U Aircraft "Maintenance" engineers aren't wright brothers too. loser...
RE:Check this out for a fact....
by Surag Singh on Feb 01, 2008 01:03 AM Permalink
Original technolgical ideas from India: 0. Hype made by other industries: 0 Hype made by IT guys: 1000 Get it? Empty vessels make the most noise.
RE:Check this out for a fact....
by hellboy on Feb 01, 2008 01:14 AM Permalink
I have been seeing whos been noisy here all this while in this forum :-)
RE:Check this out for a fact....
by Bhasmasur on Feb 01, 2008 01:08 AM Permalink
Aircraft maintenance engineers are NOT supposed to build airplanes.......Physical exhaustion yes, mental exhaustion a very resounding Yes, an ill-informed loser like you won't understand cos you need to first lift the veil....and stop living in a vacuum...
And they get paid 70/80K to identify bugs, screen test, check controls and a whole lot of other stuff which a dingbat like you won't get.....and yes, they probably deserve more than the 70/80K they get right now....
RE:RE:Check this out for a fact....
by hellboy on Feb 01, 2008 01:21 AM Permalink
ill-informed loser !! oh yes thats the word I was looking for you. Just like ur profession requires skill ,Same way IT also needs a fair bit of skill which u non-IT guys will not understand. Just like aircraft maintenance is a screw tightening routine for me, IT looks like a trash-typing non sense for U. So wake up u ill-informed loser. So stop whining dumb @ s s
RE:Check this out for a fact....
by Bhasmasur on Feb 01, 2008 01:26 AM Permalink
You are not just an ill-informed loser...you are a very bad loser at that....i can see you all worked up and fuming just cos i exposed you to the bitter truth that IT is one of the poorly paid sectors...take out the carrot of the US and IT guys are just backoffice coolies....
And learn to be a little original instead of just using terms off others books...Retarded riff raff or hoi polloi might be a better term for you...
And yes, i never said that IT is a routine job..i just stated facts that IT guys are among the worst paid, hahahaha..
So stop yelping like a chicken peahen and continue your coolie routines...
RE:Check this out for a fact....
by Bhasmasur on Feb 01, 2008 01:38 AM Permalink
you started by referring to aircraft maintenance enginners as "fixxing a bolt"....
RE:Check this out for a fact....
by hellboy on Feb 01, 2008 01:33 AM Permalink
Whos fumin here??? who was pasting all those anti-IT posters in this forum? IT is the worst paying job... OK no problem. Aviation is the best payin... Not a problem. Whats the contribution of indias indeginous aviation industry other than sucking up all the tax-payers money?
RE:RE:Check this out for a fact....
by Kaushik Das on Feb 01, 2008 03:03 AM Permalink
Originality? well, i think there is more bureaucracy in the traditional enginnering fields like aerospace. i don't think one can actually be original there. in IT, you can still be original.
RE:Check this out for a fact....
by Bhasmasur on Feb 01, 2008 01:36 AM Permalink
No, it is some Surag singh who has posted it...in fact i said in my earlier post that IT is one of the attractive sectors due to the US carrot...
I also stated facts for you.........i started by referring to aircraft maintenance enginners as "fixxing a bolt"....
When the TCS gets more profit, it never gives more salary to its employees but when the profit is reduced marginally it penalises its employees.If it is is variable pay the pay should have also incresed when there was more than expected results.I would like to ask the TCS management why there is DOUBLE STANDARD.
When you again profit you do not give a Rupee Extra to the employees you give bonus to share holders. Then why when you are facing loss why are you sharing it with the employees where are yours shareholders?
it seems that many people are quite jealous of IT professionals.they have no idea how hard and demanding their job is.... a cut in the variable and it seems like some people are ready to have a party!!! may be these people should look around and see for once the hard work IT workers put...at least by saying cyber coolies you acknowledge their hard work...
RE:sad
by Bhasmasur on Feb 01, 2008 12:34 AM Permalink
Cyber coolies is a wrong term....those who call them coolies probably were not good enough to get into IT in the first place...
But there is no place for exaggerated importance too...simply put, IT is not half as demanding or hard as some other jobs...eg. the job of an aircraft maintenance engineer is atleast thrice as tough and demanding as the job of an average IT pro...
So, calling them coolies is uncalled for, at the same time, IT pros should not get carried away and think that they are doing something of earthshaking importance...cos if you are working in a TCS or Infy or Wipro, the chance of doing something really cerebral is minimal...most Indian IT companies are involved in low end maintenance work...
RE:sad
by Surag Singh on Feb 01, 2008 12:43 AM Permalink
IT guys are like donkeys. Hard working but so do we all work hard. But we also work smart. Also I insult coolies by calling them cyber coolies. They are the slaves of the Americans doing the low end work and thinking they are Einsteins.
First of all sack all the senior management of TCS. They make loud statements on NDTV Profit and CNBC of the continued growth of the organization and then screw the employees with salary cuts stating that profits are lower thatn internal targets. What is the target. No one knows. One fine day, they will say - target not met, cut salaries. Why not cut down on the travel and entertainment that these senior managers and their spouses "enjoy" at company's cost. Or the freebies that they give to clients in the name of relationship building and account growth. There are so many wastages in the organization which ultimately lead to lower profits and in the end the poor employee suffers. I reiterate again - throw out the entire senior management and bring in new management which has the necessary drive and attitude to steady this ship
I could not find a suitable reason to be disappointed with the decrease in variable payment. To clarify this %u2013 Variable component of salary is totally dependant on the profit earned by a company. Companies like Wipro, Infosys and Accenture also do not guarantee 100% variable payout. There are few factors which have impacted profitability %u2013 Rupee appreciation is one among them. Companies like TCS are not fully dependant on US economy. Agreed, that sizable revenue comes from US business but European, APAC and domestic economy business provides sustainable revenue.
RE:We are not disappointed with TCS's Salary Cutting Decision - actually its not a salary cut
by Samartha Vashishtha on Feb 01, 2008 12:41 AM Permalink
I absolutely second that, Mazoor. I work with an IT biggie myself, and understand some of the business pressures that confront such huge concerns.
TCS employees should think of this cut as a price required for job stability.
RE:We are not disappointed with TCS's Salary Cutting Decision - actually its not a salary cut
by Surag Singh on Feb 01, 2008 12:48 AM Permalink
Rubbish! TCS earned about 60 per cent of its exports revenues from the US and 24 per cent from Europe, with the domestic market contributing about 8 per cent. Only 8 per cent! Is that sustainable.
Hi this is not surprising. The cut is in EVA or variable pay. It is know to all if the targets are not met the variable pay decreases. That is idea of variable pay and it is in practice in many companies including infy! Why it is big news. Does rediff not understand funda of variable pay?
RE:Not a CUT in Salaries
by Eagle on Feb 01, 2008 12:01 AM Permalink
You are right, This shows the rediff standards and Most of the people in this forum are also unaware of the funda. TCS cuts some amount to recover the target. EVA may be more/less depends upon overall Company/individual performance performance.
