It is wonderfull article , change of time changes circumstances too what was right yesterday may not be right today what may be right for one guide may not be righi for another any how i feel ph.d should not be given for more than 5 years and evry 5 years ph.d holder should writeanother thises .? any how athor of this article deserve congratulation and let us say sabh ke malik ek.
RE:thot provikig article.
by Munish Oberoi on Jan 18, 2008 07:01 PM Permalink
but every one here is abusing and spitting venom on the author of this article!!!
RE:thot provikig article.
by Joseph Abraham on Jan 18, 2008 07:28 PM Permalink
Let the author complete his PhD first then he can talk abt the expiry of PhDs.
PhDs typically dont get more than what they deserve (unlike IT coolies). Junk publications would take them nowhere in a competitive place like the US. Unfortunately, in India such competitive environment has never been built. Many PhDs (even many of IIT/IISc profs, not all) end up publishing in tier 2/3 conferences and journals.
the fact is that in a job you can progress only if you keep yourself updated with time.. so the question itself is irrelevant that a degree should have expiry date..
and why only PhD... this should apply to all the degrees like B tech.. M tech.. MBBS.. MBA.. and if time period for a sophisticated degree like Phd is 10-12 years. then what about any B degree .. B tech and MBBS.? where students dont go in to the depth of any subject but just touch all the subjects superficially.... (ib B tech you have to studey almost 50 subjects in 4 years..)....
Either the authors are not able to convey the exact feelings and thought OR they are novice.
I suggest that authors should gice in brief something about themselves too, so that readers could know how much succesfull the authors are.
These type of discussion are good but need REAL RESEARCH and TIME, full devotion and then authors can reach to some suggestions/conclusions. Merely writing any article and critcising is no good.
PhDs is a very high and reputed degree not only in India but in whole world. Writing anything about it should be done with care.
The writer is trying to save the sole of "Ph.D", it looks like this is a desperate attempt to regain the perception a Ph.D had. If left alone the market value of a Ph.D has a risk of falling to a lowest lever ever.
It all started with outsourcing industry. We, the young India went through lot of phases and had to learn lot of new things with this outsourcing industry and finally lost innocence. One important thing we learned was firing an employee. Ask any HR guy and he'll tell you that firing a Ph.D guy was a hardest thing just because of the hype and perception around the degree. All my life I have not seen a worthy Ph.D scholar, including some in my close family circles. I have known some friends who pursued Ph.D just because they had no other choice. These are the guys who could not get a job and to retain the visa status they went for Ph.D. I have also known some colleagues who would never revile that they are Ph.D so that they can keep the expectations low. May be, I might have interacted with very few people but I don't think that I have an adverse selection. I would say, let the market forces decide the value of a Ph.D
RE:Come out of the colonial thinking.
by Kittappa on Jan 18, 2008 07:00 PM Permalink
you are a frog in the well. Of course there are PhDs that have not done much great work more so in India. However, PhDs dominate in a country like the US. DO you know that GOOGLE, for example, is driven by PhDs? Just google and find out. Also, almost every area that you can think of in the present age has significant contribution from the PhDs
RE:Come out of the colonial thinking.
by Munish Oberoi on Jan 18, 2008 07:03 PM Permalink
Boss I know it all about google and so on, having done my phd from stanford.
RE:Come out of the colonial thinking.
by Joseph Abraham on Jan 18, 2008 07:23 PM Permalink
Mukesh ji. It is not necessary that a PhD has to do Post doc to ''contribute'' to the body of scientific knowledge. You are completely ignoring the possibilities of PhD. a phd from Standford doesnt mean that you are the best. you are just like any other PhDs
RE:Come out of the colonial thinking.
by Munish Oberoi on Jan 18, 2008 06:52 PM Permalink
In India 90% fo the Ph.Ds are done to get a JOB. Whereas the real aim of a Ph.D. should be to "SIGNIFICANTLY" extend the frontiers of human knowledge.
Tell me how many of the hundreds of Ph.D theses coming out of India every year are REALLY aimed at "SIGNIFICANTLY" extending the frontiers of human knowledge?
Most of these Ph.Ds are what are known in the post-doctoral circles as - ghas-phus Ph.Ds - you mix a few leaves/chemicals and you have a Ph.D thesis cooked up by your guide.
Tell me of the several hundred Ph.D. scholars coming out every year in India how many really do their Ph.D. to really discover/invent someting new or significantly extent the frontiers of human knowledge, don't most of them do it for getting a JOB?
How many of these Ph.Ds then go on to do any meaningful contribution to the body of scientific knowledge as post doctoral fellows?
The writer is trying to save the sole of "Ph.D", it looks like this is a desperate attempt to regain the perception a Ph.D had. If left alone the market value of a Ph.D has a risk of falling to a lowest lever ever.
It all started with outsourcing industry. We, the young India went through lot of phases and had to learn lot of new things with this outsourcing industry and finally lost innocence. One important thing we learned was firing an employee. Ask any HR guy and he'll tell you that firing a Ph.D guy was a hardest thing just because of the hype and perception around the degree. All my life I have not seen a worthy Ph.D scholar, including some in my close family circles. I have known some friends who pursued Ph.D just because they had no other choice. These are the guys who could not get a job and to retain the visa status they went for Ph.D. I have also known some colleagues who would never revile that they are Ph.D so that they can keep the expectations low. May be, I might have interacted with very few people but I don't think that I have an adverse selection. I would say, let the market forces decide the value of a Ph.D
Either the authors are not able to convey the exact feelings and thought OR they are novice.
I suggest that authors should gice in brief something about themselves too, so that readers could know how much succesfull the authors are.
These type of discussion are good but need REAL RESEARCH and TIME, full devotion and then authors can reach to some suggestions/conclusions. Merely writing any article and critcising is no good.
PhDs is a very high and reputed degree not only in India but in whole world. Writing anything about it should be done with care.
Peer reviewed journals are going down the drain in India. Infact in Social Science it is the clique to which you belong helps you in getting publications. Majority of the Research Guides in India mainly in Social Science behave like Medeival Lords and Baroness having their own whims and fancies.
It is a wrethched world to be in if you are a Phd scholar and in case you are working in smaller universities the case is further bad.
Few universities and institution have scholars with them who real 'guide' the students.
