Kudos to the Indian staffers. They should go on strike. And the passenges should support them as well. Govt. thinks that they can make their own employees fool like the ordinary public. This is not your vote bank Govt., that you make promisses and forget them. Teach this Govt. a good lesson. Let the world know, and lets see if this govt. which had a monopoly in aviation market till recent times can meet its own promises.
RE:Indian Strikes Govt in the Face
by Kamsten Yangte on Jun 14, 2007 02:50 PM Permalink
you must be a typical babu from the reserved SC/ST/OBC category, who just wants to support these morons. Let each one of them take an aeroplane and run it is private property.
RE:Indian Airlines Strike
by anuj agarwal on Jun 14, 2007 01:06 PM Permalink
This trend has been started by politicians by giving statements like RESERVATION cases etc. of over-ruling courts.
The country is heading for chaos.
SACK THESE STAFFERS AND THROUGH THEIR POLITICAL MASTERS INTO SEA.
Sack.... those who are doing strike!! Appoint new staff.Indian Airlines in worst in service. In futur better book air tickets in other airlines, and stop flying indian airlines.
RE:Sack.... those who are doing strike
by dora babu on Jun 14, 2007 12:40 PM Permalink
Dear Munnabhai... Doctors, Air crew etc., cannot be brought over night. That's why they are on strike despite HC order. Just imagine all india doctors go on strike!!! you cannot sack them and get new faces. So, be cool my buddy.
The journey to Istanbul was lonely, and I was starving. This long, lonely, cold journey forced me to deeply rethink my convictions about Communism. Early on a dark Thursday morning, after being hungry for 108 hours, I was purged of any last vestiges of affinity for the Left. I concluded that entrepreneurship, resulting in large-scale job creation, was the only viable mechanism for eradicating poverty in societies. Deep in my heart, I always thank the Bulgarian guards for transforming me from a confused Leftist into a determined, compassionate capitalist! Inevitably, this sequence of events led to the eventual founding of Infosys in 1981.
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Keep thinking Socialist and Communism, this is what you get. Everybody gets to remain poor. All public sector don't have any work ethics. Have anyone ever seen a govt employee do any work ? Yet our govt will continue to support all these sick units. Nehru's socialism and association with USSR has created a nation of non-working employee breed who occupy jobs without work and salaries and who no longer are capable of working in the private sector due to their attitudes.
RE:When you vote for a leftist party, think again.
by Sandy on Jun 14, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
Friend, the saddest part is we will never change, even if it changes, i am not sure whether our grand children would be alive to see it.
RE:When you vote for a leftist party, think again.
by Gaurav Rawat on Jun 14, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
i totally agree with this..nehru was instrumental in genesis of this breed....non working government people....people in government jobs think they are supreme...even a bank clerk thinks he is a commisioner because he knows the file has to go under him first...its high time the government eradicate this trend...keep good people ....pay them well and we will see the change
A few facts about present salary/PLI disparity between Air India (AI) and Indian Airlines%u2019(IA) employees.
1. Salary revision w.e.f. Jan,1997 had taken place in AI for most of the Employees but for IA it had yet to be done.
2. Present salary of AI employees after revision is less than those of IA even without revision.
3. Salary of IA employees would be 10 to 12% more after revision than those of AI whose salary revision had already taken place.
4. There is already huge disparity in PLI between IA & AI. At preset IA employees are getting much more PLI than those of AI. Example :- AI Manager get PLI Rs.10000 to 15000 per month depending on varying parameters whereas IA manager get Rs.45000 (Forty five thousand) per month fixed (no variation).
5. After merging of IA with AI, Salary/PLI of IA employees may get revised at per with AI employees. In that case they would be suffering with huge financial loss.
6. If AI employees%u2019 salary/PLI is made at per with IA then AI employees would get huge financial gain. Not only this, in such scenario present AI management had to pay arrears to all it%u2019s employees from Jan, 1997 for salary and from Aug, 1996 for PLI.
Under the above circumstances, the only solution is to close down IA and that%u2019s what Mr. Praful Patel is trying to do. He would soon declare lock-out in IA and then close down it.
RE:Disparity in Salary/PLI of IA & AI Employees
by Dragon Cares on Jun 14, 2007 02:11 PM Permalink
The best option would be, shut down entire operations of AI, IA, AIExp, Alliance Air; then, settle all the dues to all the employees, settle all the suppliers, dissolve all these 4 airline companies, send all the employees to home as they dont deserve to work there. Form a new airline company with all the aircrafts from these 4 airlines, form a professional management group to run the show, hire effificent cabin crew and ground staff and pay them according to their ability as well as according to international standard. Then, we can see the results. This is the only possible way; all other ways like negotiations, talks, discussions are totally waste and wasting manhours.
RE:Disparity in Salary/PLI of IA & AI Employees
by Gaurav Lohiya on Jun 14, 2007 03:29 PM Permalink
Hi Dragon Cares,
What you are talking about is completely impossible in current scenario. These are the reasons why:
1. The current liability of the aforementioned comapnies to its employees, suppliers and other far outweigh the current cpital reserves it has. So, if the Govt wants to wipe down the Airline business, then it would be a huge financial loss.
2. If such a decision is taken even in face of accruing the loss and putting the burden on the taxpayers' shoulders, then too it would take minimum of 3-4 months to shut down the complete business and settle all dues. During that period, how do you think the whole air travel is going to be managed? Should we stop all air travel to, from and within our country for the next 3-4 months??? Just think how devastating it can be for the whole economy.
3. Currently most of the aircrafts owned by IA, AI, and subsidiaries are aged and there is no point in re-using them for a new airlines as that would require a revamping of the fleet within a few years, thus sky-rocketing the initial costs of setting up the business. It is unacceptable by any conscient businessman and even if the Govt does that, it would have a very long term economic consequence on the whole economy.
4. Currently there is a death of skilled technicains n cabin crew in the airlines industry. How would u make sure tht d same ppl wont b hired again? From where would you bring so many new experienced employees??
RE:Disparity in Salary/PLI of IA & AI Employees
by Ice Fruit on Jun 14, 2007 12:25 PM Permalink
Agree for privatization, you can get rid of some useless officers and staff. salary also will increase as per the performance
RE:Disparity in Salary/PLI of IA & AI Employees
by balaji sankaran on Jun 14, 2007 12:44 PM Permalink
well, if the IA and AI don't merge, then they will withdraw the strike is it? So that time, the money is not important? Come on, if 2 entities merge its a strategical decision and how come they demand more money and in what way their work will be different?
RE:Disparity in Salary/PLI of IA & AI Employees
by Ice Fruit on Jun 14, 2007 12:22 PM Permalink
Indian airlines and Air india should be privatised. You can get rid of some of the waste candidates in the higher position being from certain reservation category.
So this company will become profitable and equal salary request/protest can be considered as legal
While its important to have satisfied employees, that cannot be be objective of an company and more so the objective of a service company like an airline. This strike will only add losses to the airline and if the airline is not in profit, the employees and other stakeholders cannot expect benefits. Today disruptions of services by means such as strikes are no longer effective bargaining tools, they seldom succeed, rather unions have to learn the art of lobbying and nondisruptive negotiations. This will earn them the support of the public and of stakeholders like the govt. There are too many losers in this strike - Passengers, the Airline, Employees, the Govt and ultimately the tax payers. Does this strike justify the loss caused to all these parties - the unions must ask this of themselves.
RE:RE:Strikes cause loss
by Mohan Lunawat on Jun 14, 2007 02:46 PM Permalink
If and only if the employees'unions in any of the PSU understood basic principle of work ethics and not fought only for rights and privileges forgetting their duties very faithfully, we all the suffering citizens would not have had this fate. It is too much of job security that pampers these belligernt employees who have limited objectives of promoting their own cause only with total disregard and apathy for ordinary citizen. It is time for the GOI to think in terms of overhauling entire IR related antiquated laws so as to bring a certain degree of efficiency in the operations.
RE:arrest and prosecute them..for there anti-national agenda.
by Dragon Cares on Jun 14, 2007 02:20 PM Permalink
Thanks a million for bringing this to the public. If what you said is true and happening, then, there is not wonder on why India is ranked at the top for the Most Corrupted Nation. "Greedy" OR "Blood Suckers" the words we could label on these Police, Customs, Immigragion criminals. Let all the NRIs be careful next time when they land in India or departure from India.
we the public should teach a lesson to all these orgnisations holding public to ransom. As a policy we should not travel by these airlines come what may. Next time a bank goes on strike withdraw all the money in the bank and make it go bankrupt (remember Arthur Hailey's Money changers)
