In India atleast village people can come to urban area and be part of the development. In China rural people are not even allowed. Talking of urban area itself, do you think life is so easy there? People in urban area struggle so much just to get by(atleast most of them). Dont forget that people in urban area also came from rural area at some point of time. I dont understand the weired title rediff keeps coming with. http://financesummary.blogspot.com/
RE:India?
by Intel Inside Tanned Outside on Jul 19, 2007 09:40 AM Permalink
There is nothing weired with the title rediff came out with. On the other hand, for a change rediff came up with the real title instead of talking of a fake 'India Shining'. In the article above please observe carefully that nobody is under the impression that people living in the urabn have an easy life - NO. Indian villagers crib that the urbanites have it so easy - thats a different issue, so please dont mix it up. Its quite tragice to compare Indian villagers to compare to Chinese situation, implying that Indian villagers should keep their mouths shut and suffer because there others who suffer more - you must be a victim yourself to think that others should continue to be victims or not raise thier voices against unfair treatment. The point of the matter is exactly that so many people from the urban area being from rural area is unhealthy and this is happening because of imbalance in growth of regions. Focusing on growth in concentrated efforts on big cities has already created a very unhealthy and a dangerous imbalance. A uniformed growth is more important and bringing good infrastrucutre to the grassroots, to the villages is more important then focusing on creating more special economic zones around India's 'dead cities'. The way to growth is not just industrial development and that too not just around already thriving cities. Growth is not about industrialization but about creating an infrastructure in the viallage base which India(n)s have not got it. kavin(dra)math
RE:INDIA BELONGS TO
by nadeem sabir on Jul 19, 2007 12:42 PM Permalink
why do'nt they work hard like urbanites. what are they pay as income tax. they increase only population.
why do'nt they setup small scale industris in rural area.
They just want subsidies against thier votes for corrupt politician.
From 20% people in the rural area, the urban population would increase to 30% over the next decade and more over the next 3 decades, so the existing cities have no capacity to take more people (take a look at Mumbai, can it take a 50% increase in population in 10 years ? !). So instead of poking holes in the SEZ policy can all the anti SEZ people come up with a way to improve the nations infrastructure and urban amenities to take care of this growth in the urban population ? Life moves on, things evolve, sticking to the past will create more slums and Raigarh will be ovrwhelmed by slums in 15 years instead of a planned SEZ in 10 if some thought is not put into growing urban India in a planned manner
RE:Urbanisation
by Kavya Vuppala on Jul 18, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
Do you mean to say that people from Villages and farmers will come and stay in these most expensive apartments built by the so called SEZ's? SEZ's are not for common people. You would know the pain of a farmer only if some SEZ comes and takes away your land or house where ever you live. If the govt really wants to improve infra structure then there are 100 different ways not just booming up real estate for their own people's cause.
RE:Urbanisation
by Red Pascal on Jul 19, 2007 07:36 PM Permalink
So will people from heaven come and stay in SEZ's ? Let's take a look at planned cities, are you saying that no one from a village stays in Bhubaneshwar, Chandigarh or Navi Mumbai ? Are people in SEZ's going to come from another planet ? Who is going to stay there ? How many people in India can afford the expensive flats ? SEZ will ensure planned growth of urban space unlike the haphazard current way. And Like mentioned above in the post- how about giving a solution ? How does one build better infrastructure ?
RE:Urbanisation
by Intel Inside Tanned Outside on Jul 19, 2007 10:09 AM Permalink
Indian Urbanisation - The dont see the problem with the problem. Indian Urabanisation is a lopsided growth. A greedy, unplanned, unorganized (read thoughtless & mindless), un directed, even purposeless(!!) and still more sad(!!!) meaningless growth!?! Slums are a natural offshoot of urban development but India's down-towns- are not just small slums but are 'civilzations' by themselves. There are a lot of things going wrong, seriously here: No governance & unrealistic. Creating sattellite towns is not the same as creating sattelite slums. There is no limit on sky scrappers but there is a limit to the existing infrastructure & a way out for preparing to a 30% increase of urban population in the next 3 decades is not by creating SEZ around cities but by spreading these SEZ inside-far interior villages - speadout exclusively among the rural areas - in other words decentralization of industrial growth. Establishment of good infrastrucute across the lenght & breadth of rural India would solve the issue of Urbanization. Otherwise, be prepared for typical (Human) irrational growth of 50% increase in urban population in 10 years which is sheer displacement/movement of people & not real growth. Talk of Indian growth & development as missed the soul - India lives in villages & there is no infrastructure, growth opportunities in the villages & farmers continue to be either neglected or taken for a ride with schemes- India is heading for a civil war and U2. -kavin(dra) Mathi.
RE:RE:Urbanisation
by Red Pascal on Jul 19, 2007 07:44 PM Permalink
Well the world has gone through urbanisation, China is doing it , Japan has, Europe has and USA has ( urbanisation as the country grows). So 50% urban growth will happen as jobs do happen in Urban locations and not in villages and farming supports less of the population over time. The urban jobs are causing the economy to boom, , engines of growth are to be created that will give enough returns to enable overall improvement of the infrastructure. As to moving SEZ's to interiors, well Nandigram was not urban in any sense of the world. These protests are a part of the national Psyche and will continue no matter where you locate the SEZ. And what is this enlightened comment of creating sattelite towns is not the same as creating sattelite slums ? Of course it is not, and the Raigarh area will become a sattelite slum ( check out Kalyan, Dombivilli and Ulhasnagar to see unplanned growth) if the SEZ does not come out, and between the two one prefers sattelite towns/ SEZ's. Read today's ET, one needs 15 new cities the size of Delhi to take care of the conservative growth expected in Urban India. Where will this land come from ? The Sea ? Another planet perhaps ?
RE:RE:RE:Urbanisation
by Intel Inside Tanned Outside on Jul 20, 2007 04:42 PM Permalink
The world has not gone through urbanization, but the WEST has & 'FOLLOW ME'/(Copy Me) is what it says or ensures & that's what most nations are doing & especially India is hell bent on imitating/'going through' the 'wheel'. A mind of your own? ANY?? or is it 600 years of slavery has created too much inertia? to follow, but atleast do it properly, sincerely and completely for ('western') process driven -linear progression approach is neither understood nor implemented. Indians have shown the ability to acquire but poor or no implementation. Eventually it has to be mastered like the Japanese & Koreans did. Not to learn from mistakes, but repeating mistakes shows lack of intelligence or deeper problems in the psyche. Why do you need to create 15 new cities? - because ET(Economic Times) says so, giving ideas based on 'western models' and is that the Only(&)RIGHT solution?. The right thing to do is a MUST establishing infrastructure in the villages.The existing land is not used properly, so you propose a SEZ close to Mumbai Suburbs to create more slums, stress, etcetras!?!. How many Offices, Universities, etc's have any normal - real & INDIGENOUS 'town planning','Urban Management','Emergency or Disaster Management' & then take a good look at what the Municipal Corporations, Municipalities across India do in handling problems, and for research, planning & preparing for future. Talk of Implementing it gets worse as city becomes town & worst when its village administration - WakeUP.
The entire SEZ policy of the government looks shady. Its an opportunity for our politicians to make big money out of the big companies. Its ok to do that I think, because politicians all over the world are corrupt, they cannot be any different in India. But its a problem in India as about 70% of our people thrive on agriculture. They are trying to "LEGALLY GRAB" the land of poor farmers. The lawmakers make laws for the corporates, and corporates take advantage of it. When some municipality takes over someone's land to build a road, its in the larger interest of the public. But when poor farmers are compelled to sell their lands to corporates for money that won't last too long, its not in the interest of the public, but that of the business class. All this while the so-called marxists have a controlling stake in the government. The goverment must make sure that the landowners must be made shareholders in the sez's that is being built upon their lands. Merely giving employment guarantee does not help as they can be fired.
Please help me understand - Is this a compulsory acquisition as in what government would do. Does the land owner not have right to decide whether he/she wants to sell the land? Or is it that Reliance is the law of the land? One thing I am sure of is that these mighty industries have always flexed their muscles to twist the laws in their favour and if that does not work they have always resorted to unfair means. I am not a Marxist. I believe in capitalism and free trade, but also believe nothing can be greater than fair play. So please help me understand - do these poor farm owners dont have rights to decide what they want to do - as sell their land or not sell their land?
Reliance industry since its establishment spreading corruption. Rise of this company some day cast too much to Indian. This company wants monopoly. Why SEZ are around metropolitans cities only? If India really needs progress that is in Villages. It is clear that SEZ is more a real estate scame then development. Suddenly Indian industries need laks of acres for development, what a baseless speculation!!
Government means the politicians and we all know how illiterate they are and ignore the people they represent. Unfortunately they remain politicians even after they become a Government; they lack the common sense towards their duty as a government.
Because Urban India pays taxes, rural India does not, but rural India sees the brunt share of it in wasteful populist schemes like Guaranteed employment, subsidies and so forth. Agriculture is not sustainable in a nation with one billion people, where each father divides land among his songs, keeps dividing it until there is nothing left. Tens of millions of people will be moving to cities and towns from the villages by even 2010. Yet, the central, state and city governments are so poorly prepared for the deluge of people. New slums are bound to pop up, water, energy, transportation are pathetic. India's cities are heading for chaos as this migrations takes place. Unfortunately, the beauracracy could care less as long as they reap the short-term benefits.
RE:Why?
by crashtestdummy on Jul 18, 2007 08:28 PM Permalink
How wrong you are. The green revolution bolstered the economy, a country with one billion people needs the agricutural sector to grow more so than other nations. The tragedy is the govenrment is not trying to help the famers, ot improve their siuation, they would rather wipe them out.
The way I see this issue simply is if it is right on the part of the government to allot agricultural land to SEZ's.
And, IMO, it is not. There is plenty of arid and semi-arid land in India that can be used by the various industry sectors for development purposes.
Why do they have to target only farmland? I do not buy the argument that the SEZ's have to be close in proximity to major cities/towns in order to be successful. People, especially Indians, have the drive and determination to follow a good opportunity even all the way to the moon!!
The ever increasing encroaching of agricultural land is already having a negative impact on the daily lives of the common man. Anyone who has gone to their local veggie mart to get some onions and tomatoes know what I am talking about.
And Ms. Mahajan has hit the bulls eye on the need to reduce our dependency on foreign nations for such a basic amenity as grains!! This is single handedly the biggest bargaining chip a country has....the percentage of land under agricultural cultivation.
I hope the government realizes this and makes the appropriate changes to the SEZ policy. SEZ's are definitely the right way to go ahead, but as with everything and anything, the ripple effect that it might cause must be carefully analyzed.
If somebody will take your job, kick you out of your flat, paying you peanut to compensate, what will you do?? Farmers in Singur, Nandigram, Kalinganagar, and in Maharastra are doing what is natural because they will lose everything-- profession, land, house, for peanuts. India is only for MBA, people with computers,with fat salary in Bangalore---others 80 percent are not human being.
RE:Fight on
by Prem Kumar on Jul 18, 2007 09:51 PM Permalink
Well said Dipak. You made my day!
The "economists" and "intelluctuals" who support SEZ on above posts should be subjected to the treatement you suggested. Jobs taken away, their premier condo snatched & sent to deep jungles to live - thats how it is a for a tribal of Kalinganagar and farmer of Singur to live in slums of Delhi & Mumbai.
We are selling our souls to corporate criminals like Ambani & TATA and will reap dearly for our mistakes.
War is between Corporate India Vs Rural Bharat and let's see who wins. people's power is NEVER defeated, mind you!
