RE:prosperity
by on Jul 03, 2007 07:28 AM Permalink
totally agree, make changes in ourselves first...look at the problem closely, don't shy away from they by just claiming that these are false propoganda....THEY ONLY WAY CAN GET TREATED IS BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOU HAVE A DISEASE...thanks.
start thinking global: No regionalism, no language issues, no casteism...Identify people around you on their knowledge, merit, professionalism, couteousness...and this has to start from us - all of us....and it starts now...
RE:Fairness - the key
by on Jul 03, 2007 05:49 AM Permalink
give feedback to people - if they are wrong, be honest simply be upfront about it on the other hand if they are good (even if they are better than you) all you go to do is just reinforce it by appreciating it and learn from them...
RE:Fairness - the key
by on Jul 03, 2007 05:40 AM Permalink
this is the only way you can drive and motivate people to work hard - if they get the worth of their efforts...I'm not expecting the government to put a sytem in place, I'm talking about changing the culture..
Does the IT hub Bangalore, or the business and financial hubs of Delhi or Mumbai represent the 9% growth of India. Is it the industrial base of Pune or the coal mines of Chatisgarh that represent this growth rate? How is this 9% growth rate distributed across income levels, and socio-economic fabric of India. Where does the farmer (already wrecked by globalization and loans) figure in this equation? Where do the labor class, the vast ocean of humanity in India that survives at susbsistence level, figure in this 9% growth.
Is this 9% growth the development track of Amabni's new residential skyscraper, or is it the prosperity of his workers who toil in his mills and refenries.
9% growth rate is good, but this study (a bit exaggerated) still points to the glaring gap between the rich, middle-class and the poor.
Lack of health care, lack of schools, lack of any infrastructure outside of metros. The complete lack of respect for human life in places like Bihar, Orissa and other parts of India. The lack of respect for the law by the goonda turned policticians. may be this represents the 9% growth rate.
9% growth rate might look good sitting in the air-conditioned office, reading rediff every day, but ask the kids who work like slaves to earn a living.
Disparity is mind boggling, growth rate a farce, honesty non-existent, hype full-blown, pride hollow, sharing of wealth a joke, respect for life a joke. This is your 9% growth rate!
RE:What represents India?
by rajeeb banerjee on Jul 03, 2007 09:18 AM Permalink
Unless and until the wealth generated is equitably distributed to the entire population, a 9% growth means nothing. The metros with its IT companies and shopping malls are not represetative. In addition to this to be global we need change our mindsets and remove the divisions amongst ourselves in terms of region, language, caste, religion (thanks to the politicians) and forge ahead as Indians.
RE:What represents India?
by arvind kumar on Jul 03, 2007 09:25 AM Permalink
All are fair statements. It is also true that in our country only Individuals grow, not the country.
RE:What represents India?
by ASHOK on Jul 03, 2007 06:36 AM Permalink
It is very simple. 9% growth rate is total GDP growth and out of which 13% goes to Industry. Obviously Agriculture growth is less than 9%.
Why are you asking all these questions. Dont you read the news papers or listen to News every day.
Also it is easy to make out that this growth in Industry is in Indian private sector. Bulk of manufacturing is in Indian private sector. Since 97% of Indian organised sector workers are in Govt. sector and only 3% are employed in Private sector so it is easy to imagine that benefits of this industrial production growth has gone to those 3% people in private sector, and that is why you do not see a well distributed 9% .
This 9% will also go down the drain once ARJUN SINGH Succedes in forcing reservation in PRIVATE SECTOR ( I mean once those 3% also go with 2.1% as SC/ST/OBC)
Does the IT hub Bangalore, or the business and financial hubs of Delhi or Mumbai represent the 9% growth of India. Is it the industrial base of Pune or the coal mines of Chatisgarh represent the 9% growth rate?
How is this 9% growth rate distributed across income levels, and socio-economic fabric of India.
Where does the farmer (already wrecked by globalization and loans) figure in this equation? Where do the labor class, the vast ocean of humanity in India that survives at susbsistence level, figure in this 9% growth.
Is this 9% growth the development track of Amabni's new residential skyscraper, or is it the prosperity of his workers who toil in his mills and refenries.
9% growth rate is good, but this study (a bit exaggerated) still points to the glaring gap between the rich, middle-class and the poor.
Lack of health care, lack of schools, lack of any infrastructure outside of metros. The complete lack of respect for human life in places like Bihar, Orissa and other parts of India. The lack of respect for the law by the goonda turned policticians. may this represents the 9% growth rate.
9% growth rate might look good sitting in the air-conditioned office, reading rediff every day, but ask the little kids who work like slaves to earn a living.
Disparity is mind boggling, growth rate a farce, honesty non-existent, hype full-blown, pride hollow, sharing of wealth a joke, ironically the respect for life is only shown to human statues in temples, girl foeti
RE:What represents India?
by Lokesh Khurmi on Jul 03, 2007 09:07 AM Permalink
Year 1994 - Total FE with India - 14 Billion USD YEAR 2004 - Total FE with India - 140 Billion
10 years and this big change- you know why?. Many more Indians started living & earning aborad. They started contributing to the growth of India. I send almost 35,000 INR every month. It adds to Indian economy.
You can help from any where provided you are really willing to do so.
RE:What represents India?
by ashish on Jul 03, 2007 09:46 AM Permalink
yes he can contribute ,my point was to mr on who claims all sofware guys in the states are coolies and he is a big patriot which is a farce
RE:Education
by Sivakumar Periasamy on Jul 03, 2007 06:11 AM Permalink
U are 100% right. Hatredness, regionalism, religiousnism, passing comments on others with half-baked knowledge, using abusive langauages, etc. are shown more my educated Indians. Particularly, the advent of electronic discussion forums like this one fuel this process well. Now, most educated Indians are illiterate.
This study is a load of crap, and international propaganda to keep India down. I have lived in America for years and have never seen an unhappier country given all their money and good health. India on the other hand is far more secure and happy with whatever income level a family belongs to. Ask your hearts people and see with your eyes. Don't you all see the difference. The West is headed for a plunge and is doing everything it can in a desperate attempt to salvage its false sense of security and world domination
RE:What a shame that people will believe whatever is published!!
by DS on Jul 03, 2007 11:20 AM Permalink
I have been in US for past three years and lived in Sweden and Norway for a year before that. About US, genunine gal, you are almost right. With all the materialism running through people's body, this is the best example of only-me-matter society. Certainly, it is a great place for individuals who want to prosper and have skills to do so since individualism is what this country is based on but obviously, such people are few and far in between. Interestingly, I found people in Sweden and Norway really happy and the main reason was the socialist (not communist) policies by the government. It gave equal access for health and education to everybody without discrimination. Unfortunately, such a model can work for countries like these whose population is less than that of Delhi. For India, we can't do away with a wide social and economical fragments thanks to the population. It is foolish to compare countries with such widely different demographics, resources and cultures. But even then, I strongly feel that for a country whose people don't have enough compared to west, I find Indians surprisingly not-so-sad.
RE:What a shame that people will believe whatever is published!!
by sumit soral on Jul 03, 2007 04:36 AM Permalink
Good to see your comment....& you are right also....it is there....but one fact is also true(I don't know which part of India you live in)if you move away from metro & heads towards town or villages India is not shining that brightly what we see in places like Mumbai, Delhi or Bangalore....the problem is proper money distribution, Beaurocracy, lack of education & infrastructure, centre & state govt differences, lack job/business opportunity,poor medical facility (Jholachap doctors are giving treatment)& many more...the list is really big...I have been to different places & beleive me the condition is worst.....I know things can improve but political & people will is require......
RE:What a shame that people will believe whatever is published!!
by Sivakumar Periasamy on Jul 03, 2007 04:50 AM Permalink
Yes. U are right. In rural India, the condition of living and economic secutirt need to be improved. In metros and towns too, many slum areas need to be improved. Then we can say...we live satisfactorily. For this, we need socio-political change in our country.
RE:What a shame that people will believe whatever is published!!
by kanu kangal on Jul 03, 2007 07:51 AM Permalink
There are 3 types of population in India 1) Miniscule%. Who despite the odds, relentlesly try to make a difference for e.g The guy who brought RIT act,baba amte who rehabilitates leprosy patients etc. 2) Extremely High %. People who call such report as bogus, lies and try to kill the messenger rather than analysing the message.And like frog they think the well they live in is the best of the world.
RE:RE:What a shame that people will believe whatever is published!!
by kanu kangal on Jul 03, 2007 07:53 AM Permalink
sorry forgot the 3rd type. 3) High %. We are poor, we are dirty, we are lazy but our spirits are high. And yes look at our culture, look at our mahatma gandhi; Half of us neither follow the gandhi's principles, Sardar patel's determination or respect our culture. How many of us celeberate our culture of Vasant Utsav and plant trees on that day, but we are quick to adapt valentines day.......well i think i said enough who cares anyway,
RE:What a shame that people will believe whatever is published!!
by ashish on Jul 03, 2007 04:45 AM Permalink
genuine gal so why dont u go back to india? if wat the survey says is false and wat u say is true ,why are thousands runnin away from india to the west still?
The report rightly shows the faults in us, which we should not be embarassed but a trial to resolve them. The report is more about happiness factor.
Hapiness is not all about wealth creation and in that case Bhutan wouldnt be better than us.
Lot of us are unnecessarily realting issue to population, corruption or even capitalism. Thoughits different, Most of us are stressed at homes to be successful (if not you are piece of dirt), to lead a wealthy life even if it means being dishonest, parents encouraging unethical practices, while few struggle to earn bread, rich guys who have excess do not want to pay resonably, supersstiousness, fundamentalism, narrow nationalism, regionalism - most of these disease are mental. Only happy people can make people around them happy and see that people around you are happy too for you to stay happy.Enjoy each day of work, make your choice and not allow world to chosse an option for us.
About Wealth it can be created by satisfied and unsatified souls so it doesnt matter.
I have learnt to stay happy inspite of having a $40000 loan as a student and by being myself.
RE:LOL!!!!!
by Umesh Kamat on Jul 03, 2007 03:24 AM Permalink
Atleast they are not outside Madrassas, waiting for their turn to blowup innocents.... LOL!!!!!
RE:LOL!!!!!
by venky prasad on Jul 03, 2007 03:30 AM Permalink
Yeah right. Instead they are lower caste hindus waiting for their turn to get ripped off by upper caste hindus.
The reason for Indian poverty is simple - the country has failed to break the brahmin-upper caste shacklehold. Till that happens, we would continue to be next to Zimbabwe.
RE:LOL!!!!!
by Umesh Kamat on Jul 03, 2007 03:40 AM Permalink
You are right Venky. We have problems.70% reservation in education/jobs also not helping it. But these problems are our problems.
What right this paki has to laugh out loud, what his country's success story?
RE:LOL!!!!!
by Sanjay Rao on Jul 03, 2007 03:38 AM Permalink
Yeah right !!! like what is happening in UP. You won't get any votes for blaming upper castes. It is just a social evil that exists in every cast including among SCs/STs themselves.
