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by hello on Feb 15, 2007 07:58 AM Permalink
This is the third time I am seeing this message. That's what I said. Those were there even before I born & my father born. What is the new thing is our growth rate is 9% now.
RE:India is a Super Power. I told one of the World Power before, now I changed after reading your comments.
by hello on Feb 15, 2007 06:09 AM Permalink
Also one more thing, don't give up this under any circumstances. A country may face down-turn or up-turn or other turns. Keep this mantra always, that is what we have to do. What poverty??? What illitracy??? What politicians??? Everything was there a long ago, when the growth rate was 4%,5%,6%,7%,8%,9% etc. Didn't we grow even with all these!!! Didn't we grow even when sactions were imposed on us. Didn't we got independence, with unity, tell me what was the illitracy, what was the poverty. Just see forward & see the positive points!!!
WELL SAID THAT ABSOLUTELY TRUE,WE ARE IMPROVING BUT NOT YET THERE,SO THERE IS NO ROOM FOR COMPLACENCY.MY ADVICE TO THOSE PESSIMIST PEOPLE OUT HERE:VISIT OTHER COUNTRIES TO FIND HOW THEY ARE.THEIR SOULS ARE NOT CLEAN(IAM GENERALIZING) HOW SELFISH PEOPLE ARE IN OTHER COUNTRIES.I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN A DIFF COUNTRY FOR 7 YRS AND IAM LEAVING TO INDIA NEXT MONTH TO HELP CHANGE MY NATION AND LET PEOPLE KNOW WE ARE GOOD BUT WE ARE LAGGING AND IN THE PROCESS WILL GROW MYSELF AND MY COUNTRY GROW I WISH EVERONE COULD STAY IN A DEVELOPED COUNTRY FOR A YEAR TO UNDERSTAND HOW SELFISH PEOPLE ARE,IF YOU LIVE FOR A MONTH OR JUST GO FOR A VISIT U WILL ONLY SEE GREEN. ASK ME ABOUT INDIA AND INDIANS,I HAVE STUDIED IN THE NORTH,SOUTH,WEST,EAST,CENTRAL INDIA AND HAVE WORKED AND STAYED IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD FOR 7 YEARS AND I REALIZED HOW GOOD WE ARE AS A NATION (INDIANS SELDOM KNOW),AND I KNEW EVEN BEFORE VISITING AND STATING IN THESE PLACES,ITS JUST THAT I HAVE ENOUGH PROOF. NO,IAM NOT 60 YRS OLD,IAM 27 AND I WILL INSPIRE A FEW. WISH ME LUCK GUYS,I KNOW I WILL FACE MANY CHALLENGES BUT I REALIZE THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE LIKE ME,WICH ME LUCK!
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by Vijay Purbhe on Feb 15, 2007 06:05 AM Permalink
Mr. whoever, I have been staying in the developed country for past 5 years and I dont see any truth in the statements that you have made here. You dont have to get emotional about these issue. You will find cons the moment you land in any Indian airport, what the hell are you talking about?
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by hello on Feb 15, 2007 06:15 AM Permalink
If that is the case, we have to train the staffs & air hostess with a developed country training school on how to smile on the face.
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by hello on Feb 15, 2007 06:41 AM Permalink
I am not a curser of developed country, it is far far better. Great freedom, Human Rights! Cleaniness etc are very good. The "Adopt a Highway" concept is a very good one. A lot of good things. But when telling developed country example to undermine India, I little talked aganist developed country, I like their way of life to some extent.
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by andre joseph on Feb 15, 2007 08:19 AM Permalink
Please, I'm not being pessimistic or indulging in India bashing. I am an ordinary middle class Indian who lived a honest life for 42 years in India. I now live in the USA and will be here for a few years. I bought a plot of land with my hard earned money in Bangalore. I got it checked thoroughly by a lawyer and got all the documents in my name. I regularly paid taxes for this property for nine long years and built a compound wall around it. One fine morning.........a bunch of thugs landed up and demolished my compound wall. I ran to the police station as they were destroying my wall and they merely told me it was a "civil issue" and wouldn't interfere. I went to the court and after two long years and a hundred visits won the case against them. Now I hear another goonda who has a local minister's support is again causing trouble. Buddy, there are selfish and bad people everywhere and America or any other western nation is no exception. Incidentally at least the police will come to my rescue in another nation. In India the police supports the mighty, not an innocent like me. If you have money and muscle power, wrong can be right in India at every level. I have experienced this and in no small measure. I am happy to know that at least a few young men like you are going back to India in the hope of improving our lot. I hope and pray you don't return disillusioned. When we say India is improving, many of us avoid saying the number of farmers who committed suicide crossed the thousand mark in one state alone in the same breath. Yes, urban India is improving and at electric speed. I hope this development also percolates to the guy who grows tomatoes in the hope of feeding his family three square meals a day, and with a heavy heart has to dump it on the highway coz there are no takers for his toil. I have always felt we are a gifted country, but somehow we fail to take advantage of our capabilities. We have the best form of Government in the civilized world which is called Democracy, but conveniently forget the fact Democracy minus discipline is the worst form of Government. Unless we put our political house in order, we certainly have no hope with all this development. America has turned us into their steno pool, but I wonder if this is our best option. I hope it is. Good luck Buddy! I wish you the very best. I
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by thepolice stewart on Feb 15, 2007 10:11 AM Permalink
iam deeply moved,farmers and children are at the top of my list.thanks for your concern. iam ready to sacrifice in this process,at the end of my life even if i turned out to be a failure,i will die happy thinking "i tried".
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by andre joseph on Feb 15, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
good to know you are so very committed to helping our country. i plan to come back to india in the year 2011 and i would like to at least help out with such an endeavour. if you will be considering such participation, my e-mail id is major.jacob@gmail.com
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by solomon george on Feb 15, 2007 06:41 AM Permalink
i live in the US and work in the health sector.as per US law, no person can be turned away from receiving emergency care irrespective of his/her ability to pay.though the stay may be billed,it does not mean that one HAS to pay up especially if disabled or unemployed.and if u r a visitor,it makes sense to take travel insurance,as no tax payer wud like to pay up for someone who has not given his share of taxes.and it dos'nt cost much to get one.one has to learn to always live within ones budget. there r low income families that like to get a luxury car and end up allocating 25-30% of the income on it. why not use that for getting a health insurance instead.whereas in india, someone may take u to a hospital but the surgeon may not operate until payed under the table.(esp in govt hosp). in the private hosp-forget it!
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by hello on Feb 15, 2007 06:45 AM Permalink
That is what I said before you tell. I am not a curser of developed country, it is far far better. Great freedom, Human Rights! Cleaniness etc are very good. The "Adopt a Highway" concept is a very good one. A lot of good things. But when telling developed country example to undermine India, I little talked aganist developed country, I like their way of life to some extent.
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by hello on Feb 15, 2007 06:56 AM Permalink
Sorry. I love USA, I love developed country. I love UK. I love Japan. I love Germany, Europe. I love other countries. I am searching for the guy who diverted attention to developed country.
RE:PLEASEREAD
by hello on Feb 15, 2007 05:49 AM Permalink
Rightly said. Just tell me when a poor met an accident in India, what will happen. They take to hospital emergency and get TREATED. But in developed country, they do the same & you have to pay for your life if you don't have insurance. Who cares poor more? We are treating poor very good. Giving farmers subsidy etc. So, don't reply with saying like we are giving more to the farmers & make them lazy.
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by Vijay Purbhe on Feb 15, 2007 06:04 AM Permalink
In India, if you have an accident, people will either ignore it or not take the person to hospital. Unlike India, where hosiptals wont take you in unless the police FIR is filed for some accident or assault, developed countries treat them much better (without insurance and without money if you dont know). Stop blabbering if you dont know the truth about the developed countries and how they operate, IDIOTS.
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by patriot on Feb 15, 2007 06:57 AM Permalink
there are many countries where you dont need insurance and get treated better than in india. remember me???? lol
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by srinu reddy on Feb 15, 2007 08:00 AM Permalink
we are giving more to farmers(good joke).. they why are farmers committing suicide. 9% growth rate for 2 years and you are thinking India superpower.grow up guys.what about people who are doing normal jobs(other than it). what about infrastructure.and basic needs like pure drinking water,food and electricity.
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by ghanshyam dave on Feb 15, 2007 08:53 AM Permalink
Thanks my friend,i have, like you travelled and lived out of India many years, rightly said by you but remember the gap between rich and poor is very wide in India or any other asian countries, in western world what we see basic requirements is luxury in India, like many things, i but, still agree with you to some extent that there is corrupton in western world but common people dont have to suffer bcz of that, i am like any other Indian have fire and desire to serve for the Nation but not ready to get get trapped in the hands of corrupt politicians. WHAT WE NEED IS POLITICAL REVOLUTION AND EQUAL LAWS FOR ALL.IN INDIA LAWS ARE FOR COMMON PEOPLE, SPECIAL PERSON GETS SPECIAL TREATMENT(THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE IS SANJAY DUTT, Lalu yadav and his company, jayalalita and many more LALUS AND LALEES).(NEWS:POLICE COMMISSIONER IN WISCONSIN STATE OF U.S.A FINED HIMSELF FOR ACCIDENTLY OVERTAKING SCHOOL BUS) PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND SUCH HONEST PEOPLE IN INDIA I WILL PAY FOR YOUR AIR TICKET AND READY TO PAY FOR TWO MORE REVOLUTIONERS WHO WANT TO COME BACK TO INDIA.
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by ANIL DHYANI on Feb 15, 2007 10:15 AM Permalink
India Needs, heavy revolutions against corrupt systems,politicians,rishwat khori. We and new generation could only do this. We also need to remove selfishness from ourselves. We also use to give rishwat when it needs, as our system demands. Loot maar is heavy. We need a positive wave like in China to improve our structure. It needs step by step renovation and with result orientation. It needs to clean up those who comes in middle of these projects. Since, illiteracy is still there, differece of poverty with rich still heavey in many areas. So, it could take time. We should remove monopolistic competition, builders who are capturing the land of agricultures in many areas. If we check it with our population, we find that in future, if builders will cover our agriculture land with same speed, than it will be difficult for ourselves to live here. Farmers are giving up, commiting suiside. So, if we compare ourselves with other world, India needs a big positive mantra,attitude. For which we have to come in front and raise same things to our politicians.
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by thepolice stewart on Feb 15, 2007 10:14 AM Permalink
dear ghanshyam ji, thanks for your concern,there are many people with great intentions it is just that we need a collective action taken. iam sure there will be at least a million people who could take action out of a billion people. dont worry,iam froma fairly renowed family from south,as i said iam ready to sacrifice myself in this process,at the end of my life even if i turned out to be a failure,i will die happy thinking "i tried".
what i notice is that headlines like these r only seen on rediff and indian websites.i dont see anything like this on western news pages. all i see is china china china!can anybody explain?
service sector can make only very small countries like luxemburg (80% revenue thru financial serv) rich. for a country with size of india, we have to have good manufacturing and basic technology sectors developed. if upon them secong genrtn technoloogies are good, then sone pe suhaagaa. I love india, but if you ask me to put my money on, it will definitely be china. i have been to shanghai, beinjing and few other chinese cities, their advancement is mindboggling. infact i will rate shanghai ahead of chicago and new york. there were hardly and slums as i travelled inbetween the cities. we should stop comparison with USA, japan and europe. they are daddies. first let us set our target at our bigger brothers in east like china, malaysia, singapore, south korea. step by step. we are still 126 ranked in terms of human development index and largest no. of poor live in india
To be a happy person, you donot have to follow china or america or japan. Infact there was a survey by american company, it is Denmark, Switzerland, Newzeland people are more happy and patriotic than other so called developed countries. You do not need to industrilization, you need to have balanced economy. try not do depend on foreign countries for food and water.
The last comment (See - most of the indians are blind enough that they don't see India's problem) gives a good insight of some of the problems that India as a nation faces today ...But the bigger question is ..Is it the only country where we see the Paradox..Common sense suggests - thats not the case. Every society lives with some of these things - Like water is said to be the root cause of all diseases - so should we live without it - Can we ?? So learned readers lets discuss something that we can do to improve the situation - Even a small action will help - Lets say keeping our roads clean - at least the one which runs right across our house ? what say ?
No doubt, I feel very proud and happy when people from the west talk about I.T. India etc. But, I see India year after year (when I go from the U.S.A.). I see roads that are still bad, fumes from diesel oil that choke my throat, and people that still defecate on the side of the roads. To me, when I see no slums, no frequent outtage of electric power and no corruption, then I will be convinced that my beloved country is becoming the world's superpower.
I'm presently in USA but I live in India. I read all comments with interest and found that most indians are basically naive enough to compare poverty in USA with those in India. If 10% of american can't afford medical insurance, we must realize that India's medical insurance penetration is below 5%. more than 50% don't have access to basic medical care. If they have a problem, they live on taking Rs 1 tablet from nearest pharmacy. No doctor visit. no treatment. Those who can afford, also would choke if disease like cancer/heart stroke strikes. Civic sense of us indians is one of the worst in the world. We all are colored but still accept that fair and lovely may make a woman smarter (see TV ads). We don't respect our own skin type. We do not respect our own language at any upscale restaurant. We ridicule our poor. We worship money but at the expense of community or neighbor. We put high capacity water pump for our own usage, even if neighbor goes dry. I'm sick of hearing "India is Great". Being an Indian, I hope we move towards becoming a great nation but as of today, we are shameless, uncivilized bunch of people, who only talks but still hates dark skin, poors etc... and worships everything even remotely matching wealthy nations....
Its great that India is finally realizing its potental, but it will be a true success if the benefits of the new economy reaches all sections of the society - nithari killings and Gurgaon malls don't add up . A vast majority of India don't even know/care what we are discussing in these posts . Lets forget the Hubris, we haven't arrived yet.
I think India has the potential to be everything, world power and what not. There are though some short comings I see and at the risk of sounding pessimistic I will go ahead and mention it/them. I have seen many articles here in rediff and the comments posted below them. Many of them expose our parochial selves. They are full people wanting to kick people out of their city, out of their state, out of the country. I dont say it exactly reflects our country as a whole, but it does atleast to some extent. And we have people like this calling the shots- be it a language reservation, shiv sena and thackeray..the list is endless. it is very embarassing (not to mention scary) to think people can be so uncivilised. 2) We as a people (not generalizing, but mostly) are full of apathy. for example just look at the traffic scene in any major city. 3) then come the most often said things- corruption, red tape..basically a sick system (again not in all places) that can tire a productive and capable person.
having said this, there are some things i am utterly proud of. -i think we have a very good education system. public health- maybe struggling but not as screwed up as in many other places. -personally, a family system i love. - culture- art, festivals, food..unparalled!
RE:somewhat correct
by madhukar a on Feb 15, 2007 04:56 AM Permalink
Well good observations, I am glad you point good and bad things. I feel as the awareness grows with the feel good attitude about the country the negative factors should eventually! fade away. May be in 30/40/50 years? I cannot guess.
