conceptual Brahmanism is very much the truth with Indian Companies. I have been working for the past 5 years in top IT concerns in India and I find this a very simple fact. Not to be harsh on the brahmains, they are people too but they see to that the whole of their community benefits. CTS chennai has all top level people being tamil brahamins and EDS chennai also has the same, they dont want anyone else but a brahamin to suceed them, so the company still remains in their control. TCS has the same problem with tamil brahamins Infosys has Kannada Brahamins. HSBC Pune has preference for Marati Brahamins first..........this is a never ending saga..............the government has to take some action on these companies...put these brahamins behind bars........all their family....get rid of these fellows who practice brahmanism in companies.
This article is full of crap. Firstly there is an unnecessary reference to caste and south Indians. In a global market place, where the Indian software industry competes and thrives, there is no place for this kind of non-sense. Having worked in the Indian software industry and now outsourcing to them, I find them to be truly equal opportunity employees. Yes, there will be some amount of politics in all organizations.
A couple of decades ago American newspapers and commentators said the same about another set of companies - Honda, Toyota and Nissan - they cannot compete at the high end and are low tech and so on. We know the rest.
The lesson from the auto companies is that the Indian software industry must really focus on only one thing - the quality. The Japanese auto executives focused on quality instead of making deals and the rest is history.
Acquisitions for the sake of satisfying Wall Street are actually senseless. Having said all this, there are a couple of areas of concerns. Firstly, the secondary treatment provided to the local market. Is it that they do not care about India or is it because they do not want to enter the realm of kickbacks to secure government contracts? The second concern is the appalling low levels of R&D expenses - if the figures in this article are right, INFY, which is a multi-billion dollar organization, spends $12 millions on R&D. For heavens sake, you are supposed to be hi-tech companies please open up the purse strings for R&D spending.
RE:Full of crap
by on Aug 11, 2007 04:29 AM Permalink
Kya quality ye Southies denge...Don't even take bath and go to client sites and pose dirty face of INDIA....TCS give 62K for people having 10 years what quality u expect?
Dear, first get your facts right,...They are big CHEATERS and putting less people on work what they charge to client...TCS is spoiling TATA's name
So called Indian advantage is the low-cost. Once that advantage is gone, Indian companies will have a hard time. Indian companies ignored R&D/product development and local market for too long, blinded by $ margins. It's funny that Infy says "home market has reached a level of maturity.", they saw the maturity only after their US margins went down and IBM/Accenture started eating their Indian Lunch.
Broadly talking Companies have social responsibilities but basically business is done to make profits and sustain growth
Not to serve the poor or downtrodden. That is the job of the Goverment and it can be never achieved by Reservations
For eg. Amit is jobless and hungry. What is the solution. Empower him to earn for himself by guiding him.
Instead if you give him free food or subsidy then how long can you sustain. This is basically not workable at all
So the primary education should be good. Give enough support moral and financial to these little kids and prepare to face competitive exams.
One need not be very intelligent to pass BE Exams. Once has to have some decent IQ and put hardwork. In fact good memory is more than sufficient with hard work.
So dear friends, lets not hate each other instead help some kid with education.
Please spare atleast 100 rupees a month for this cause
What a hoot - the pot (Sai person) calling the kettle (Kripalani person) 'black'. Just a heads-up - there's no such thing as 'caste' - it's just a fabrication, like Brahmins. So there!
This author doesn't know what to highlight. Unnecessarily criticizing Brahmanism...because of them only, lakhs of people getting good jobs and yielding luxurious life.. Companies like infosys only, India got 31$ billion dollar offshore development. They invested hugely on R&D and training programs. And TCS also going to achieve place in top 10 global companies list. How company move to global list without caring basic things. You idiot , stop writing this junk. Use your pen to write against dirty politics. I will sue if you criticize Brahmin caste again. you idiot, useless fellow.
RE:Manjeet Kripalani , you idiot
by on Aug 11, 2007 04:18 AM Permalink
please don't go by listing....all top leaders are CHEATERS.....TCS is definitelt South Indian biased.....all bunch of southies enjoying fruits and doing dirty things to IT....see image of 90% southies at client sites in US and UK....they don't even take bath and come to office...Client don't take them more than SLAVES...
TCS did good thing in presenting image of INDIA as SLAVE...
ALSO CHEATING CLIENT BY PUTTING LESS PERSONS AT OFFSHORE THAN THEY CHARGE>>>>where are ethics?
RE:Manjeet Kripalani , you idiot
by BostonPunekar on Aug 09, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
Paramesh
ALSO give your reference of proof that someone YOU consider as Brahmin and thereby in the process you yourself consider as superior than you has to fulfill all the 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. list of points you listed.
What is the logic of those 5 points to be fulfilled ??? And Why should those 5 points be used as a guaging standard??
A person by any name like Amit, Rahul, Girish can easily pass of as a normal human being UNTILL vultures like you will pounce in his background wasting idle and ample time which you surely must be having in plenty......and to discover the biggest invention since the invention of the wheel..Yes..that person is a Brahmin indeed...!! Eureka Eureka..Now go and run outside the house and tell the whole town about your discovery..All the best.
RE:Manjeet Kripalani , you idiot
by Viti Paul on Aug 10, 2007 01:30 PM Permalink
Again you need a poojari to argue with us. Then what are talking deadly soma.
Who are you to give warning to Saibaba. This shows how mature you are.
Sueing you ? Dont we have any other work to do ? Do you think we have time for people like you ?
India has the largest number of student applicants to US Colleges and Universities and infact Indians are the largest ethnic block of people passing out of the colleges and Universities in the US.
Now here is the problem, after the student passes out of the respective colleges and Universities (and carry with them debt of the education cost) they have to still frantically search for a Job that too after doing a M.S.!!
If the US based Indian companies are hiring agressively why cant they hire passing out Indian students and rotate them to and fro India as per requirement. The person who has studied in the US is already culturally oriented well. Its a matter of giving an opportunity. This would take away the sting of the pathetic desi consulting companies who exploit these fresh college and universitiy passouts as they sponser their H1B's.
It would be a good meeting ground of Indian companies hiring talented Indian students who have furthered their Masters education in the U.S and Indian students passing out who have to run around desperately to find a H1B sponserer.!!!
RE:Indian IT cos need to agressively hire Indian M.S and MBA grads in the US
by blue wrox on Aug 09, 2007 04:21 AM Permalink
They would not do that because they have to pay them around 65k compared to 45k for guys from india.Morover these guys can change their H1 when they want.Guys from india could not do that easily
RE:Indian IT cos need to agressively hire Indian M.S and MBA grads in the US
by shweta singh on Aug 09, 2007 07:09 PM Permalink
I have to tell you my friend. Within TCS, minimum salary is 60 K (I am talking about minimum). People are getting 200 and 300 K easily. Biggest problem is that working in offshore and onsite model is NOT easy. The people who are educated here are looking for easy life which is not possible in this model.
RE:Indian IT cos need to agressively hire Indian M.S and MBA grads in the US
by S Hegde on Aug 10, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
"People are getting 200 and 300 K easily." Easily :) If TCS is paying min 60k then the market rate must be 80k. I have seen TCS for 15 years, they will not pay unless they don't have any options to attract/retain people. That's a fact. About Indian IT companies in general, they all work in low cost model (whatever they may claim). IF they pay anyone little more, then they will make sure that they extract lot more from that person. It's funny to see Infy say "home market has reached a level of maturity." You are a Indain company and until IBM/Accenture started taking away the big deals in India, you didn't see the market as mature market. Why don't you just say that your US margins are not as good as they used to be, suddenly indian market looks mature.
RE:Indian IT cos need to agressively hire Indian M.S and MBA grads in the US
by on Aug 11, 2007 04:20 AM Permalink
TCS ??/ha...ha..ha...they start at 60K because don't have choice due to US laws....then 61K and 62K for persons having 10 years experience....these southies CHEATERS
Guys, people like Amit Kumar will never understand what "hard work", "quality" means, because they have never seen those things past thousands of years( the funds of suffering since thousands of years is given by them only)
And we being good human beings, good citizens of india, need to just think about the progress of india, and of course progress of our own lives.
One management lesson suggests that, a person or decision can not make every one happy. while few will be happy with a decision, there will always remain atleast one person or group that is not going to be happy with the decision.
So lets move on, lets leave these Amit Kumars on their own, lets not get into the funda that we need to care for the society collectively, those who would work hard, will and should be able to enjoy the fruits only.
Lets move on, lets ignore them, please do not respond to their messages on the board further.
I would request all of people who had been writing against Amit Kumar's message, please do not respond to this message, if amit kumars' write anything in response to my msg, lets not waste our time and energy to keep on talking to them. lets make it final message of the day. and lets put our useful energy in building a great nation and great life for our own family.
Jai Hind.
PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MGS, LET AMIT KUMARS WRITE ANYTHING THEY FEEL LIKE.
Get the facts right Mr Writer, I donno why Rediff loves to down grade TCS al the time. TCS is a $4.3bn company not 3.1. Please update your self once in while....
