Talent has to be first defined. There are some acceptable criteria roughly as below: 1. NObel award winners 2. Pulitzers, Booker award winners. 3. More olympic, tennis, Hockey, cricket award winners, 4. More diseaes erradicated. 5. Less poor hygiene related diseases. 6. More inventions and discoveries. 7. More revolutionery sofwares than pirates. 8. More cleaner air, water, less pollution 9. cleaner less adulterated food, 10 More discipline, less noise on roads etc etc etc
If any / all of these can be met and more then talent is there and it is showing. Where does India stand in these?
RE:India producces more talent
by Mr Elusive on Apr 25, 2007 06:26 PM Permalink
How many games have you played in your school? have you ever thought of making it a career? Dont tell me you have never used any pirated software. I hope you always follow traffic rules. In India you have people who would spit on the roads, throw garbage everywhere, break traffic rules.. but the same people would act like good citizens when they go to another country. It is this mentality of the people which is putting us down.
RE:India producces more talent
by Geo on Apr 25, 2007 04:49 PM Permalink
This list by Rajendra is much better than some unconfirmed 'statistics' about 30% of some company have Indian employees type of nonsense.
RE:India producces more talent
by Ajeda on Apr 25, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
I agree completely... I remember an old phrase... India is not a poor country, the people who live here are poor (as in USELESS, especially the bureucrats and politicians)... thats exactly why theres such a huge brain drain happening in India... to hell with India if no one's gonna give fair recognition to the brain here...
RE:India producces more talent
by Geo on Apr 25, 2007 04:52 PM Permalink
And this coolie company is comparing its hiring freshers for BPO work to Microsoft hiring policies. hahaha.
RE:India producces more talent
by Manish Mishra on Apr 25, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
Rajendra,
Try to understand TALENT and talent to get an award. If i teach you algebra and if you are talented then you can solve 1000 of problems but it does not mean that you can win a mathmatic award.
Indian do not get awards becuase they are not SMART rather they are intelligent.
Let me define, intelligent and SMARTness. If a value 1000 rupees notes and coins are scattered then a SMART person will lift up highest VALUES note or coin FISRT while an intelligent will lift up what he will get first.
Indians comes in intelligent field and all intelligent people are TALENTED. Do you know an indian guy developed a machine which saves 60-70% (mistakes regrated) LPG gas but he had not got any award. While a lady (writter of harry potter) has got so many awards what I thinks is non sense.
Invention of that (LPG) machine can our life better not stories of HARRY POTTER. But you know who got award.
So, dont compare TALENTS with awards. Both are different. Sometimes dumb person scores 70% by mugging up and gets award (practically dont know) while practical and talented person scores 55% becuase he can not mug up and can not write in good way.
RE:India producces more talent
by kba k on Apr 25, 2007 04:42 PM Permalink
Exactly, well said! Compared to the population, how many noble prizes Indians(living in India) have won?
These are few facts, which will make very INDIAN proud to be INDIAN. (Few info might be out-dated)
Who is the co-founder of Sun Microsystems? Mr. Vinod Khosla Who is the creator of Pentium chip (90% of the today's computers run on it)? Mr. Vinod Dham Who is the third richest man on the world? According to the latest report on Fortune Magazine, He is Premji who is the CEO of Wipro Industries. The Sultan of Brunei is at 6th position now. Who is the founder and creator of Hotmail (World's No. 1 web based E-Mail program)? Mr. Sabeer Bhatia later on sold to Microsoft. Who is the president of AT & T-Bell Labs (AT & T-Bell Labs is the creator of program languages such as C, C , UNIX to name a few)? Mr. Arun Netravalli Who is the GM of Hewlett Packard? Mr. Rajiv Gupta Who is the new MTD (Microsoft Testing Director) of Windows 2000, responsible to iron out all initial problems? Mr. Sanjay Tejwrika Who are the Chief Executives of Citibank, Mckensey & Standard Charted? Mr. Victor Menezes, Mr. Rajat Gupta and Mr. Rana Talwar We Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America , even faring better than the whites and the natives: There are 3.22 Millions of INDIANs in USA (1.5 % of population). YET, 38% of doctors in USA are INDIANs. 12% scientists in USA are INDIANs. 36% of NASA scientists are INDIANs. 34% of Microsoft employees are INDIANs. 28% of IBM employees are INDIANs. 17% of INTEL scientists are INDIANs. 13% of XEROX employees are INDIANs. Quotes about India : "We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made" --Albert Einstein. "India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend and the great grand mother of tradition" --Mark Twain. "If there is one place on the face of earth where all dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India " French scholar Romain Rolland.You may know some of the following facts: These facts were recently published in a German Magazine, which deals with WORLD HISTORY FACTS ABOUT INDIA India never invaded any country in her last 1000 years of history. India invented the Number system. Aryabhatta invented zeroThe world's first university was established in Takshila in 700 BC. More than 10500 students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most suitable language for computer software. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans. Although western media portray modern images of India as poverty stricken and under developed through political corruption, India was once the richest empire on earth and will again be one in future. The art of navigation was born in the river Sindh 5000 years ago. The very word "Navigation" is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH. Budhayana first calculated the value of pi, and he explained the concept of what is now known as the Pythagorean Theorem. British scholars have last year (1999) officially published that Budhayan's works dates to the 6th Century, which is long before the European mathematicians. Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus came from India . Quadratic Equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th Century. The largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Indians used numbers as big as 1053. According to the Gemological Institute of America , up until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds to the world. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old suspicion amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless communication was Professor Jagdish Bose and not Marconi. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in Saurashtra. Chess was invented in India . Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health scientists of his time conducted surgeries like caesareans, cataract, fractures and urinary stones. Usage of anesthesia was well known in ancient India . When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in Sindhu Valley ( Indus Valley Civilization). The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC. India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border" Hu Shih (former Chinese Ambassador to USA) If we don't see even a glimpse of that great India in the India that we see today, it clearly means that we are not working up to our potential, and that if we do, we could once again be an ever shining and inspiring country setting a bright path for rest of the world to follow. I hope you enjoyed it and work towards the welfare of INDIA . Next Hindusim spreads all over the world and you might be knowing that US, UK, German and Japanese Universities has introduced Scholar degree programmed on being Hindusim a total Scientific Religion.
Say proudly, I AM AN INDIAN. ...!!!
Don%u2019t forget others ... let them respect Indians for their achievements too..... Let us keep acheiving.
RE:'India produces more talent than the rest of the world'
by raghavendra k on Apr 25, 2007 04:30 PM Permalink
Nice to Read your Article , I am Proud Indian disillusioned by Todays Political Gamit. I see People are being Divided by Corrupt Nepto Politicians based on Religion , Language , State , Caste , creed and Chamchagiri. Well This was Existed since from Time immorial in India , However It had taken Monsters Proposition Now. Any way I always admire Common Man always How Arises in all adversity and Come out with Spectacular achievement which is Benifical to ManKind. Sarve Jana Sukino bhavanthu Om santhi Santhi santhi
RE:'India produces more talent than the rest of the world'
by Anurag Baranwal on Apr 25, 2007 04:40 PM Permalink
most of the data are fake... 38% doctors in USA are indians ? where are they ? i hardly see them. and 36% scientists in NASA ? too much, please get ur facts straight before forwarding such emails...
RE:'India produces more talent than the rest of the world'
by Paradise Steamship Co on Apr 25, 2007 04:45 PM Permalink
Mr "Take it easy" what is the source of these facts and figures regarding Indians in USA and all that blah blah blah peddling nonsenses for 8 years now in chain emails !
Old facts and WITHOUT ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE.
Some low esteem cooked these figures up to highten his sense of self worth.
Americans have won 270 Nobel Prizes and I never see Americans boosting about it.
Lets work and achieve instead of being maglomaniacs and foolish.
RE:'India produces more talent than the rest of the world'
by Geo on Apr 25, 2007 04:46 PM Permalink
The only confirmable fact is that Indians are multiplying at the fastest rate and will run out of fuel and food in the near future.
RE:'India produces more talent than the rest of the world'
by sekhar datta on Apr 25, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
Mr 'Take it easy', Hats off to your feet ! You are the very embodiment of greatness. I have learned new things from your message and I heartily thank you for that . You are absolutely right. We must be proud of Indians and at the same time we Hndus should develop a sense of history and respect history. Please accept sincere regards, Yours truly Sekhar Datta Journalist Tripura -----------
RE:'India produces more talent than the rest of the world'
by Geo on Apr 25, 2007 04:55 PM Permalink
Just see this mail. First you have some unconfirmed things which happened in some ancient times. Then you have people of Indian origin making it big in the US. Many peple of chinese, koreans, japanese, african etc. origin have also done very well in the US. How does it makes their countries great by default? These people have gone to the US to be US citizens never to return. What does this reflect about India? If you are talented take the first plane or ship out?
RE:'India produces more talent than the rest of the world'
by Rajendra Vidwans on Apr 25, 2007 04:30 PM Permalink
The list gives Indians doing well in US. Why these same and others cannot do even 1% in Indian environment? We are talking of talent in India and not Indian talent in US!
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by Venu gopal on Apr 25, 2007 04:46 PM Permalink
Mr.Rajendra,are you believing that a talented Indian can do something in present India?Are you in fools paradise?Here everything based on Caste and religion!
RE:'India produces more talent than the rest of the world'
by rajendranathen pv on Apr 25, 2007 04:54 PM Permalink
The talents in India can do wonders in India. But first you make sure that the bloody systems in India are changed first - firstly the unwanted politics of India.
RE:'India produces more talent than the rest of the world'
by Venu gopal on Apr 25, 2007 04:44 PM Permalink
I cut this and saved in my directory!Thanks.... But the politicians hammering the last nail to the Indian tradition and achievements!!
RE:'India produces more talent than the rest of the world'
by vijairaghavan PG on Apr 25, 2007 04:29 PM Permalink
Yes, indeed, we should be proud of being Indian. But it looks like these days are numbered what with the politician-driven change in the system of natural merit among its citizens. Today, merit in India is worse than a four-letter word. And this is because the poison of hatred and jealousy is being spread by those who lack merit themselves and want others not to work towards it. Almost all the achievements of Indians listed above are outside India - is it not shameful that we cannot give merit an opportunity in its own country, instead we bemoan the meritorious for earning it outside. Wah India, mera Bharat mahan!
jab teek se who talent ko aapna nah kar sakthe hey, tab doosra(MNCs) aapna karke payda karega. Bharath dektha hi rahega. dekna hi uska kaam hey. jab taak ham paisa aur media propaganda and jathivaad se ulta pulta kartha hi rahega tab tak ye doosronka payda hey. dononki jagada teesra ka payda.
It seems the minions of our Government and the politicians with the lowest nationalist-content in them are hell bent on bringing about a severe %u201Ccorrection%u201D in the world%u2019s assessment of India as a land of high intellectual capital. The desperate manner in which they have all been at work to implement their quota agenda makes one believe that they would rather have the world perceive India as the country of mediocre non-achievers, rather than the razor sharp brains for which we are getting kudos as of now. And the media in India too does not appear concerned about the highly toxic effects of a vertical divide in the middle of the societal fabric between castes and communities, which augurs ill for the country. More activisim is called for from the so called %u2018intellectually%u2019 free press to bring home this truth to the majority.
It seems there is no end to the callous approach of the HR Ministry led by one whose academic credentials are still a mystery, in pushing the quota story ahead irrespective of the sharpest rebukes from respected individuals, academics, ex-bureaucrats and even the judiciary at the highest level. It is obvious that India comes last in their scheme of things. Votes come first, and probably having their own statues installed at street corners and every stinking slum come next. Obviously, with mediocrity ruling the roost all over, it does not look as if India is going to be left with any talent whatever, in any field , in the coming few years; since all the genuine talent will be lapped up by a hungry West. And why not? Life is being made hell for those who have a modicum of talent, as if it is a sin to be born with any amount of brains in this country and the quota pushers are for ever making a pitch for more and more in the most critical areas of governance, industry, and academia. And to top it all, the highly unwholesome criticism of NRIs in most discussions, for their so called lack of loyalty to India is sickening and smacks of sheer unfettered jealousy for those who have done well for themselves, inspite of the best efforts of the unendowed to keep them down at any cost. What would they want them to do? Stay on in India and work as cable operators or couriers when the Government cannot offer jobs in highend research labs (presuming they exist at all) or industry, in keeping with their talent, just to become eligible for them to earn the right to be called %u201Cpatriotic%u201D by those who have no right to a judgement in the first place?
Arjun Singh and co. will do well to know that a country that cannot be honest in its recognition of individuals%u2019 merit cannot claim their loyalty as a matter of right. %u201CAsk not what the country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country%u201D was said by the late John Kennedy to his countrymen. Whether we like it or not, the US not only does much for its own meritorious citizens, but also for those from outside. And in the process has earned the right to advise accordingly. No wonder there is a worldwide scramble for emigration to their shores. The way it is going now, in a few years, this will be a land of delivery boys and menial labourers masquerading as policy makers of this country!
In the final analysis though, the intellectually bestowed among the backward classes and the OBCs should wake up to the reality that the political class in India is only using them as a tool to keep them permanently under their thumb, rather than allow genuine merit and independent thinking among them to come to the fore, by feeding them the placebo of reservations. The twentyfirst century provides a wonderful opportunity for them to realize that the days of upper and lower caste distinctions are over, and perpetuating these non-existent differences in the name of past injustices is a ruse to keep the country divided for the politicians%u2019 own ends. But is anyone listening?
RE:RE:This land is reserved...for the mediocre and the selfish politicians!
by STEPHEN SAYUJA on Apr 25, 2007 04:19 PM Permalink
Well said, I second that - the frustration towards this politicians is high, they are the stumbling blocks in the progress of the nation and bank on these ill-agenda of quota system and dividing the country on the basis of caste and class system, itself speaks volume of sheer callousness and stupidity in pursuing these objectives for furtherance of their selfish cause. Its time we do something instead of always blaming policitians for their wrong doings. I feel the youths of the country should bring in a massive changes - let the old order be replaced with new thinkings, new blood in keeping with the time and world order. May be it calls for a blood shed or a revolution of sorts to teach policitians a lesson, may be youths should do a Rang De Basanti! Quota system and caste classifications were relevant in the past, but not now with the advent of globalisation, standardisation of work, quality, efficiency and productivity.
RE:This land is reserved...for the mediocre and the selfish politicians!
by raghavendra k on Apr 25, 2007 04:32 PM Permalink
Like FRench Revolution , We Need Indian Revolution Where these Politicians are to Be SHOT , Even Their Roots ( Like chanukya Destroyed the Grass from Root Itself)
Yes, India is progrsiing but which fulfil for other Needs. What about Inidan's need? Whether they think to produce for India. Sometime we think about our need AND OUR OWN PRODUCT WHICH IS MORE USEFUL FOR OUR OWN NATION: Always thinking about US. If u r beliveing in u people, try to make something for our people by using our own talent. I hate outsourscing.
You gotta see % of the population that is talented and % that are unemployable... Not just head count of 'talented' people that too 'talented' as defined by you... hmmm...
RE:Yeah.. India also produces more people than the rest of the world
by venkataraman krishnamurthy on Apr 25, 2007 04:19 PM Permalink
dream girl is really talented that is why she is in UP
RE:'India produces more talent than the rest of the world'
by venkataraman krishnamurthy on Apr 25, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
kheechna khaha export kar rahe hye aadmi yonko
RE:'India produces more talent than the rest of the world'
by beerappa Gowda on Apr 25, 2007 03:36 PM Permalink
why u left our great neta's (see the latest wife exporting business of MPs) they are more talented than this telgi,mehta , dawood etc
RE:'India produces more talent than the rest of the world'
by kc ojha on Apr 25, 2007 04:42 PM Permalink
I think they are the produts of our politicians
Came across this a while ago....I think its relevant here. Do read....
OLD VERSION...
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks the ant's a fool and laughs & dances & plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.
MODERN VERSION (excellent)
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks the ant's a fool and laughs & dances & plays the summer away. Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.
NDTV, BBC, CNN show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable Home with a table filled with food.
The World is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be that this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Arundhati Roy stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house. Medha Patkar goes on a fast along with other grasshoppers demanding that grasshoppers be relocated to warmer climates during winter. Amnesty International and Koffi Annan criticize the Indian Government for not upholding the fundamental rights of the grasshopper. The Internet is flooded with online petitions seeking support to the grasshopper (many promising Heaven and Everlasting Peace for prompt support as against the wrath of God for non-compliance) . Opposition MP's stage a walkout.Left parties call for "Bharat Bandh" in West Bengal and Kerala demanding a Judicial Enquiry.CPM in Kerala immediately passes a law preventing Ants from working hard in the heat so as to bring about equality of poverty among ants and grasshoppers.
Lalu Prasad allocates one free coach to Grasshoppers on all Indian Railway Trains, aptly named as the 'Grasshopper Rath'. Finally, the Judicial Committee drafts the Prevention of Terrorism Against Grasshoppers Act [POTAGA]", with effect from the beginning of the winter.
Arjun Singh makes Special Reservation for GrassHopper in educational Insititutions & in Govt Services.
The ant is fined for failing to comply with POTAGA and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the Government and handed over to the grasshopper in a ceremony covered by NDTV. Arundhati Roy calls it "a triumph of justice". Lalu calls it 'Socialistic Justice'. CPM calls it the 'revolutionary resurgence of the downtrodden' Koffi Annan invites the grasshopper to address the UN General Assembly.
Many years later...The ant has since migrated to the US and set up a multi billion dollar company in silicon valley. 100s of grasshoppers still die of starvation despite reservation somewhere in India ....
As a result loosing lot of hard working ants and feeding the grasshoppers, India is still a developing country..... .
RE:This is a must read.
by Senthil Raja on Apr 25, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
it's a Brahmin's point of view (ant's)....... Any comments from GrossHopper???????????
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by vasu_erfolg on Apr 25, 2007 05:18 PM Permalink
My dear Senthil Raja,
don't be so paranoid. It is not just the brahmins who are migrating out of India. Anyone who wants to lead a clean life without having to mortgage one's self-respect will come under the ant category.
When you become somebody in life (that is, through your own sweat and toil and not by robbing someone else's bread), you will realise what this story means.
RE:This is a must read.
by chandravijoy chatterjee on Apr 25, 2007 03:47 PM Permalink
What's left for the grass hopper more to tell?? Isn't the grasshopper the "real Laloo Prasad or Mulayam Singh", who'll fight day & night for the various quotas to suit his interest, duly backed by the Left & so called progressive intelligensia like Ms.Roy & Medha patkar??
RE:This is a must read.
by Gautham Kamath on Apr 25, 2007 03:28 PM Permalink
That is exactly why I began by saying "Came across this a while ago....I think its relevant here. Do read.... "
Yes, that's true India produces more talent than any countries, but little scope is given for their performance and improvement making them look towards overseas for better opportunities. This trend could be stopped and give them required value addition and monetary motivation in home, so that there is enough retention of these talents. Its time we need to harbour these talents for the betterment of our economy and become a "BACK OFFICE FOR THE WORLD"
