you said nobody care for govt's grand plans about the educational institutions that they want to create other than maybe a bit iit/iim. and what was the reason for this unfounded assumption or maybe you were talking about urself only ??? you urself being from iim, sounds like one good reason why you just keep praising iim and its education no matter even if iim's dont stand even remotely close to harvard. even americans dont praise Harvard/MIT and Stanford the way we idolize iit/iim almost everyday everywhere. please stop this non-sense.
RE:plz rashmi ... spare iit/iim and talk something else
by on Sep 12, 2007 08:32 PM Permalink
dood first of all there is no harm in praising and saying all good words for the only little good things we possess.secondly the analogy which you gave is wrong since the average intelligence level of USA is one of the least in the world thts why they could not realise the importance of the such kinda universities.neways thr is no doubt that in India IIT's IIM's are the best..do you by any chance know tht at the undergraduate level IIT JEE is the toughest exam in the whole world to clear and in tech field IIT as a whole stand 3rd in the world...surely you might not be reading the magazines also neways this clearly justifies tht the intake of these prime institutions is not poor i guess.. you satisfied with this or you need some more thrashing
Foregin university does not mean that our Desi universities are KABAR. Its like a "DOOR KE DHOL SUHAWANE" and a madness. I admire the way Rashmi Bansal has opened the clues of Education Ellite or Education Mafia behind the curtain. We Indian people specially students must think that everything is not in wrong direction. WE need intellegent mind for the development our country as we are going to be the powerful economy in future soon. Rich does not mean intelligent....tallents are borned and could be reside in the JHUGGIS and Villages, rarely tellents could be furnished and polished but it fades soon against organic mind.
Hoping for better education in India,
Jayprakash Panwar 'JP' Student at the Australian National University (ANU), Canberra, Australia
RE:Good start
by nagendra singh on Sep 12, 2007 04:16 PM Permalink
The main purpose of a foriegn degree is getting a work permit etc overseas. Most people do it for this purpose because course content and depth of subject is nearly the same otherwise.
This is nothing to do with the quality of your home country.
BTW your spelling show that you are lucky that you had money to study overseas. This also proves that ANU will admit anyone who can come up with the fees!
RE:Great article exposing the bluff of the govt
by jayesh agrawal on Sep 12, 2007 09:16 PM Permalink
Rather than playing a blame game, involving the low education standards in India compared to our counter parts in US, and blaming the government for all of it, had this discussion suggested ways out of the swamp, it would have been much more constructive. I agree that just by promising one cannot build IITs and IIMs (world class) overnight, its like building castles in air. But a possible way forward could be up-gradation of the existing excellent centers of education like the REC (regional engineering colleges) to a step higher (suggestive of IITs' stature) and institutes like NITIE (mumbai) to grades of IIMs. These institutes have been a major contributor to the growth along with the IITs and IIMs, and its time now for a revamp. There was a recent initiative by Industry stalwart Mr. Mahindra, when he proposed the up gradation of NITIE to that of an IIM (for more info read http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1119096 ). Such steps would definitely go a long way in setting and upgrading the education infrastructure in India. Another point that comes to my mind is the internationalization of the courses run by IIMs and IITs, where the intake be not only limited to Indians, but have a global intake. This will not only bring these esteemed institutes on the world map (IIMs dont even rank among top Asian B-Schools), but also result in overall "globallization" (as they say) of the economy.
RE:Quality management education
by WishyWashy on Sep 12, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
That's right! But lets discuss the reason why?
IIT & IIM by very nature have become teaching institutions with lesser emphasis on pure / applied research & cross discipline knowledge.
Most of global B Schools are extension of university system whereby they are able to draw on resources and synergies between various disciplines. Our IIMs & IITs are standalone centers of isolated excellence.
It will be better to develop future institute in a such a manner that an IIM, IIT, IISc, AIIMS etc can operate under a single umbrella. This will allow individual institutions to draw from other disciplines and enrich the studies.
As an IIM alumna I can safely observe that while a lot of our batch-mates were from middle class parentage; iy was not uncommon to come across people who have risen from humbler backgrounds and have made it to the Institute. The fact that at end of the day it cost just a Rs 1000 form and your hard work which goes on decide you place in the merit list; not you connections et al.
Even for sons and daughters of CXO's is was an honor to be able to make it past an IIM. One such students told me that me that his family was full of people who had done their MBAs from assorted US Universities; but he was the first child in a generation to secure an admission to an IIM. I guess another student whose father was a traveling salesman would have been proud of his achievements; but this guy who was born with silver spoon in his mouth was even prouder for having done something which was considered impossible within family.
Now compare this with ISB (no questions about it's innovative teaching pedagogy and international exposure); at end of the day this is a place where rich and filthy rich go on to get their MBAs before uncle can come and hire his favorite nephew/ niece without feeling guilty.
RE:cudnt agree more
by sarthak barik on Sep 13, 2007 05:53 PM Permalink
I request you to prove your charges against ISB recruitment or admission . With no exception , financial well-to-ness is no longer a criteria to get edge in getting to IIMs with so many banks and insitutions offering aid . But why did you keep ISB out of this Ivy league . A person from humble background and quality work-experience has an equal oppurtunity to get into ISB and take good placements as well. If something unfair happens at recruitment , that is not avoidable completely anywhere . Wat say ?
