The blackmailers of the reservation riot brigades must be left behind. Time for a separate state. Nobody should be forced to submit to such extortion by those who are burning buses and committing violence and murder. Time for honest hard-working people to seek a separate state, for their own self-defence. Only a separate state will solve the problem.
If people beg for 100% reservation.. then give them 100% reservation.. after some years they will realize that they dont deserve it.. and they themselves will demand No Reservation....
I am not against reservations but I am pro-meritocracy. We have Japan as an excellent example for this. In my view Reservations should only be for the economically down-trodden and should not be based on caste/creed. Implementing reservations based on caste or affirmative action is nothing but an extension on the Britishers' "Divide and Rule" Policy, which our forefathers faught against and I believe we should too! India needs first rate leaders in all aspects, be it scientific/services/politics... every sector needs first grade people for us to become a big and successful economy. And that is why I am pro-meritocracy.
RE:I am pro-meritocracy...
by Sandeep Kumar on Jun 07, 2007 12:17 PM Permalink
hey i do agree with most of the pople that caste based reservation should be completely abolished as there is no point in given reservation to those who dont use it for the past 50 yrs properly.
Its been more than 50 years since we got Independence and from that period onwards we are giving reservation to all the downtrodden .some utilized it ,some still dont.so we can keep contiuing this system for those minimal number of pople who haven't used it properly.
Politicans should do things for benefit of the country and not for increasing the vote bank.
Give as much as financial support or any other support for better education for SC/ST.But no reservation on caste base.It will divide country on caste basis.SC/ST people have no different brain then upper caste people.So make it equal.Who will be responsible if SC/ST person who is not eligible for become surgeon take admission in M.S and play with people's life ? And every upper caste person is not rich.There are so many upper caste people who have no money for good education.
In world no where there is such type of caste base reservation.And that is why they are so ahead then us.Give equal chance to everybody.Otherwise after 50 year India will become DALIT country who run by non-eligible DALIT people.And all upper caste people live away to other country.
I support SC/ST reservations. As long as there is discrimination based on caste in our society there should be reservartions for SC/STs. Those who are against these reservations should fight to stop this discrimination before they fight aginst the reservations. No one need any reservation if the level playing field is same for every body. SC/ST reservation is not an economic issue. It's social issue. There are poor people in all castes. But, if you are SC or ST it's another social stigma you have to carry until your death. It can't be taken away from your back with money or some other help unless there is change in people's attitude and stop discriminating on caste basis.
Imagine you are participating in a running race with extra baggage on your back where as there's no baggage for other participants. Do you think it's fair. If your baggage can't be taken out of your back at least the distance you should run can be reduced. That means your starting position has to be put a bit ahead of every one else who don't have baggage. This SC/ST reservation is that kind of push govt is giving for SC/STs.
If you can take the baggage out of their backs they don't need any push in the form of reservations from Govt. Our immediate duty is to stop discrimination. You may probably not notice the discrimination much(openly) in cities. You can easily notice if you go to rural areas. SC/ST communities are away from the village and they are not allowed in village temples, in some areas two
RE:it's not an ecomic issue, it's a social issue
by koganti chand on Jun 07, 2007 11:34 AM Permalink
Its nice that you have given good example to support your point...But how many years you need reservation......Its been more than 50 yrs we are carrying the baggage and you guys are set free to run.. Do you think all the upper caste people are economically strong...Ok,even though they are strong according to you...think of this 50 yrs ...where we have to work very hard to get a seat in college ( pay hefty amount of Donations) to study.Even though they get good ranks....How long they can pay these donations....
RE:it's not an ecomic issue, it's a social issue
by sreenivasulu pitla on Jun 07, 2007 08:12 PM Permalink
Chand, I never said all upper caste people are economically strong. That's why i said clearly it's not an economic issue, it's a social issue. It's the social descrimination baggage that dalits are carrying not economic discrimination. Economically poor are there in all castes. In addition to economic backwardness they have been discriminated socially for more than 1000 yrs and are still being discriminated. As long as this caste discrimination exists in the society people will have to pay some price. If you are paying in terms of donations they are paying in terms of humiliation in their day to day life. So need of the day is to eliminate this evil, then neither upper class nor lower class will have to pay any price,
RE:it's not an ecomic issue, it's a social issue
by Venkateswara Hanumara on Jun 06, 2007 10:13 PM Permalink
Yes Srinivasulu, i do agree with your view, that the reservations are to be based on the caste. The percentage of the poor in our society is more in the SC/STs. But this reseveration should be for the poor in the SC/STs, but not for the Rich within these castes as they will block the benefits getting percolated to the poor within their caste.
RE:it's not an ecomic issue, it's a social issue
by Desperado on Jun 07, 2007 02:29 AM Permalink
Srinivasulu,
I too agree partially with your view. But don't you think the caste based reservation is even more dividing the country. People from castes who do not have reservation have slowly building up hate for those castes which have reservation. Take any institution and you are bound to see students/workers humiliating their co-students/colleagues coz they got admitted using quota. The only criteria for reservation should be economical status rather than ancient social hierarchy. Caste based reservation is more worse than apartheid in South Africa. How do you justify people enjoying reservation because their fore-fathers laboured. and how do you justify punishing people by making their oppurtunities scarce becuase their fore-fathers were upper castes.
Will somebody go to jail if their parents/ancestors committed a crime?
RE:it's not an ecomic issue, it's a social issue
by sreenivasulu pitla on Jun 07, 2007 05:06 AM Permalink
No one has to go to jail because their ancestors committed a crime. But ancesteral crimes are recorded in the history. No one
can rewrite the history. It's like British who colonised most of the world and killed many natives mercileslly don't have to pay any price now. But it's an embarassment for any british person if the topic is raised
when he/she is in a group of other nationals. British has to carry that dark side of their history until it goes into the pages of very very very old history.
As far as SC/ST reservations are concerned they are not given to punish the uppercaste people for their ancestral
crimes. It's given because the descrimination is still being practiced. As i said earlier as long as this social evil is practiced people may have to live with reservations.
"But don't you think the caste based reservation is even more dividing the country. People from castes who do not have reservation have slowly building up hate for those castes which have reservation."
It's like descriminating or hating a handicapped person for his/her closest parking spot to the store in a big parking lot.
I see lot of them fighting for this quota.. understand that this is a privilage not your birth right... privilage is given only for certain period.. not for life time... When will this stupid politicians understand basics... Cranky!!! A Singh.. get this right into your dumb head
Plz dont involve any Politics!!!!....Ambedkar had written the constitution when tr was a need for SC/ST people to come up......but bear in mind!! now things have changed...purely it should go on household income...Students deserve good education...Arjun singh plz try to be human!!!...
We should not have reservation on cast basis. i support on financial basis. we should need to bring law such a way that everybody has a equal right, any violation to this will need to be seriously punished. that way long term, we will not have any caste basis marriage, in turn it will automatically help us to stay united and help us our country development.
Though I would personally advocate equality, I believe there is an urgent need for quota system in our country to bring the under privileged on par with the privileged. But I do not understand the basis of bifurcation of quotas into SC/ST/OBC etc... I think there should be just one category and more over if the father and/or mother in the family has availed quota benefits then their off- springs should not be eligible for the same. The responsibility of empowering the family should be borne by one person this will ensure that the system will act to uplift the whole community and not be cornered by a few. We should also provide all necessary tools to empower the underprivileged in their quest to come out of the shadow of caste based system. For people who don't agree to my views, I ask will you be willing to accept a underprivileged as a priest in your temple? If empowering financially the oppressed people is what we are planning to carryout out with the quota system, the system will fail. If changing the mentality of people is what we plan to achieve then success will surely be ours. All quota systems should be designed to join the people and break the caste system. Doing anything short of this will be a total fiasco with no enviable results in the end.
RE:Quota is a necessary evil
by Ramasubramaniam Iyer on Jun 06, 2007 09:00 PM Permalink
I agree 100% with you on this. But the solution has to be simplistic and laws clearly defined and should not encourage corruption
RE:Quota is a necessary evil
by raj rajan on Jun 07, 2007 01:00 AM Permalink
yes bcoz it is often seen that most of those get admitted in a medical/engg college under a quota are the offspring of someone who also got an admission similarly, while the poor SC/ST guy in a village never gets that chance, he even never come to know that such things exists..
I'm born in a so called Upper caste, but I fully support resevations for SC/ST catogories until we see marraiges among Upper castes and SC/STs. This will be ultimate proof of end of thousands of years of unjust done on basis of castes.
Since discrimination is based upon caste system, it makes sense to do undo a bit by reservation on caste system.
