Today the benefit of reservation are derived by the people who dont deserve it.In goverment offices I have observed that the wards of SC/ST who cannot good marks in 10th or 12th, and make merry when other children burn midnight oil to get good marks,get admissions in good engineering /medical coleges.The SC/ST people of south India who boast off their influencial backgrounds reap the benefit of reservations, whereas there poor brothers remain poor, underfed and illerate. These poor people are used to show to the goverment statistics how poor Sc/ST are so as to continue to avail benefits of reservations.And these people will remain poor until concept of creamy layer is introduced strictly.Secondly one should stop reaping the benefit of reservation in promotions,this benefit has SC/ST employees lethargic and lazy becoz they know that they will get benefits of promotion even if they dont work.The children should get free education upto class irrespective of their caste. And children whose belong to family whose monthly income is below average should b given monetary assistance.The time has come that we should stop discussing caste, otherwise our country will have to face civil war very soon. The political parties should be banned to discuss casteism in election. If necessary reservation should b given on economical status only.People claim that dalits r raped and murdered, I want to ask r people of general catagory not murdered/raped.People cite examples where dalits r tortured
Left parties call for "Bharat Bandh" in West Bengal and Kerala demanding a Judicial Enquiry. CPM in Kerala immediately passes a law preventing Ants from working hard in the heat so as to bring about equality of poverty among ants and grasshoppers. Lalu Prasad allocates one free coach to Grasshoppers on all Indian Railway trains, and names it as the 'Grasshopper Rath'. Finally, the Judicial Committee drafts the Prevention Of Terrorism Against Grasshoppers Act [POTAGA]", with effect from the beginning of the winter. Arjun Singh makes Special Reservation for Grasshoppers in educational insititutions & in Govt Services. The ant is fined for failing to comply with POTAGA and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the Government and handed over to the grasshopper in a ceremony covered by NDTV. Arundhati Roy calls it "a triumph of justice". Lalu calls it 'Social Justice'. CPM calls it the 'revolutionary resurgence of the downtrodden'. UN secretary general invites the grasshopper to address the UN General Assembly. Many years later...the ant has since migrated to the US and set up a multi-billion dollar company in Silicon Valley. Hundreds of grasshoppers still die of starvation despite reservation somewhere in India. As a result of loosing a lot of hard working ants and feeding the grasshoppers India is still a developing Country.
No it should be there, you know sitting in a metro city and that too in AC rooms, it is impossible to even think how the lower class people are suppressed. SC/ST people at some places are even not allowed to drink the water from common well. How long this will conitnue.
Reservation is one of the way to assist these poor people.
RE:Are you for or against SC/ ST reservations?
by baskaran baskaran on Jun 04, 2007 03:55 PM Permalink
It is very need in the uncvilized country in Insia. Still untochablity is prevail. NO one get respect from caste HINDU PEOPLE.People depend the land lord and other woning community. Very megare peercent of this community got education. GOVERNMENT polices and reservation can make them live partly with out distrubance. If any one agaist this ,eservation police they are possing inhuman nature and they like to continue the same inhuman nature in India.
RE:Are you for or against SC/ ST reservations?
by Mrigendra Shukla on Jun 04, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
anybody becomes a lower caste or poor as per his wrong acts like gambling , looting , cheating ,harrasing & raping in his previous life. This acts makes a person to take a birth in lower cast & by this way he gets punished by God & suffer a measerable life. On the other hand a person who has done good acts of social welfare becomes a rich 7 super cast person & enjoys the respect & luxury. However the cast is not permanent a chamar can become Brahmin in next life by doing great works. So Dear lower cast fellow do not lament, Do great works serve God & Brahmin giving up all your hatred towards them , you will certainly take birth in super caste.
for more details go to www.krishna.com download Shrimad Bhagawat online book Canto-5. And come to know how person takes birth in various caste & social status. How a meanest person becomes animal in next life
come noida and you will find the richest people belonging to GUJJAR family. After 60 yrs of independence if they cannot prove themselves and no amount of quota will help them.... its is a shame that few selfish policitians are burning the city to shame.
RE:its a shame
by sam tango on Jun 04, 2007 03:42 PM Permalink
It's very correct. Our govt and bloody politicisna are playing the game with us and doing the vote bank rajniti. Only & only our politicians are responsible for this.
RE:its a shame
by Stefan G on Jun 04, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
It is a shame and BJP is responsible for all this mayhem. They opened pandora's box by giving OBC status to Jats and promising ST status to Gujjars and came to power in Rajasthan. Now when there startegy has back-fired they don't know what to do? Congress ofcourse is looking at it as a oppurtunity to come back in Rajasthan.
Sun is rising as usual in the east. Im standing here outside the school,waiting for my 10 yr kid. He studies in class 2. Only this year he could get admission into the school. For the last5 yrs, admissions were closed for the general category students.
School bell rings. I can see a lot of happy children coming out of the gate, i waited for half an hour and my kid came at last after other children. Genaral students are not allowed to cross the gate unless other OBC/SC/ST students have crossed the gates.
OBC/SC/ST fathers drive away their children in classy cars. But i hv to walk back home with my kid a 5km stretch. I lost my car some years back when Govt. came with a rule that general people have to deposit a tax equal to cost of their cars. Failing which i had to sell the car. As far as buses are concerned, the seats in buses are reserved for OBC/SC/ST. So no place there also.
After walking some 5km in scorching heat i finally reached home.It was wednesday ... shit , no electricity.Every mon,wed,thu,sat is power cut in the houses of General category population .So that SC/ST/OBC can be uplifted by providing them with every opportunity and in that consideration electricity is an important factor. Its 10:00 pm in night no electricity at home. Its very hot inside the four walls of home .So i dare to step out in park with my wife and kid.I seated myself with my family on a secluded bench in garden. It was hardly 5 min ... a guard c
RE:IITS TIME TO AWAKE OTHERWISE THE FUTURE MAY BE LIKE THIS
by beaulah on Jun 04, 2007 03:49 PM Permalink
i wonder whether it's true that the Govt. told to pay a tax equal to the cost of your car. so far as i remember my newspaper reading around that time i did not come across such a thing!!! most important, did the govt. ask only the 'general' people to do so? please don't confuse people by giving wrong information. you are actually accusing the then Govt. of India. i wish the then finance minister file a complaint against such misquotes. it is good to putforth anybody's arguments but it should be on a solid ground.
RE:IITS TIME TO AWAKE OTHERWISE THE FUTURE MAY BE LIKE THIS
by anbalagan sundar on Jun 04, 2007 03:40 PM Permalink
The message by anjana nandasana is tooooo creative to be believed. If he/she feels like an outcast with reservations, then imagine the plight of the so called untouchables who are still facing problems in the country. I dont think reservation by caste is needed in the country. Instead it may be based on the need.
RE:IITS TIME TO AWAKE OTHERWISE THE FUTURE MAY BE LIKE THIS
by Mrigendra Shukla on Jun 04, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
anybody becomes a lower caste or poor as per his wrong acts like gambling , looting , cheating ,harrasing & raping in his previous life. This acts makes a person to take a birth in lower cast & by this way he gets punished by God & suffer a measerable life. On the other hand a person who has done good acts of social welfare becomes a rich 7 super cast person & enjoys the respect & luxury. However the cast is not permanent a chamar can become Brahmin in next life by doing great works. So Dear lower cast fellow do not lament, Do great works serve God & Brahmin giving up all your hatred towards them , you will certainly take birth in super caste.
for more details go to www.krishna.com download Shrimad Bhagawat online book Canto-5. And come to know how person takes birth in various caste & social status. How a meanest person becomes animal in next life
I am asking u people, go to any private or public offices first top 10 will be occupied by upper class(brahmins and other community people) and so called reservation people will be either peons,clerks or messengers or sweepers. It is because of their background and socio-economic problems. From past so many years so called upper class people are dominating , why because they are scholars from generations whereas so called reservation people hardly from two generations. This really makes lot of difference in intellectual abilities. Please give them some more time to get themselves equipped and come forward to fight against all odds of life.
RE:its pity that people are bothered about 25% reservation
by amit gupta on Jun 04, 2007 03:44 PM Permalink
Why do U want reservation................ Reservation Should & Should be Financial Base not the caste basis. A Son of IAS selected under reservation should not given reservation. Do u think u need reservation........... i hope u will also take reservation depriving a poor in need of reservation for his future. Read News paper ,people went to Jantar mantar in all costly cars for REservation.......... It should be given to POORS ONLY. Do Ur INTROSPECTION
RE:its pity that people are bothered about 25% reservation
by varshachatre on Jun 04, 2007 03:37 PM Permalink
this is very correct fact which you are saying.
RE:its pity that people are bothered about 25% reservation
by sam tango on Jun 04, 2007 03:41 PM Permalink
dear, if u think that reservation can help u to fight against poverty, u r wrong, u think that only sc/st has the poor people but in every caste has the same ratio. do u think that a doctor from kota can save the life ????? it's such a pity that with kota they can help themselves.
ANT & GRASSHOPPER OLD VERSION: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summerlong building his house and laying up supplies for thewinter. The grasshopper thinks the ant's a fool and laughs & dances & plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.
MODERN VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building His house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks the ant's a fool and laughs & dances & plays the summer away. Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving. NDTV, BBC, CNN show up to provide pictures of the Shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. The world is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be that this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so? Arundhati Roy stages a demonstration in front of the Ant's' house. Medha Patkar goes on a fast along with other grasshoppers demanding that grasshoppers be relocated to warmer climates during winter. Amnesty International and UN secretary general criticize the Indian Government for not upholding the fundamental rights of the grasshopper. The Internet is flooded with online petitions seeking support to the grasshopper. Opposition MPs stage a walkout
RE:For or against SC/ST reservation
by Stefan G on Jun 04, 2007 03:49 PM Permalink
The basic assumption in ur modern version of story is that all SC/ST are like grasshopper and all upper caste people are like ant. This is the basic mindset which is stopping India to grow. All our people have to understand that all humans by birth are same and more ar less have the same potential to achieve success in various fields provided they get the right support and direction at the right time. Since most of the upper caste people are better off they are able to provide good upbringing to their children and that is why they get good marks and they excel in various field. It gives them the feeling that they are intelligent and are meritous and SC/ST are not. Is it really correct or just a illusion? All upper caste or most of the upper caste people are like ant is a myth which should be shattered.
RE:For or against SC/ST reservation
by parag solanki on Jun 04, 2007 03:38 PM Permalink
Its not that simple as ant and grasshopper story. Here so called ant has all the resources avaialbe to work and save for bad days for itself and next ten generations. where as grasshopper is not allowed to work and earn sufficient because all the means of earning are owned and hijecked by ants. So God came to the rescue of grashopper and provided him with the opportunity to work and prove themselves. You will be surprised to know that we had lower caste president, primeminister, lots of ministers, scientists, doctors, engineers you just name and we have it. It is just begining the lower class will over come like the story of Rabit and Tortoise. where rabit thought that he can sleep but dont know that slow but steady tortoise is one with wome he is competing.
The problem with we Indians are that we always look for the solutions which are easy irrespective of the consequences which can be caused by that solutions. The reservation monster which is now out of the bag and killing people around the country is glaring example of wrong decision. To me there is an urgent need to end all kind of reservations or preferential treatment to any individual in all the walks of life. We must treat all our citizen equally. Provide the facilities so that any one who wants to study or work the system helps him to do so. Ofcourse for the people who can not afford, the system must provide the financial help in terms of less or no fees, free meals and hostel facilities. The help should never be given in the form of money.
Historically a class of people (Lower Class) were discriminated and forced to do only things which are not found fit for doing by another class (Higher Class). For the independance of our country, these supressed class people sacrificed their lives in anticipation that the new free India will treat them as humans. To over come the inequality among citizens of India, reservation was devised on population percentage basis. All the citizen has right to participate and progress with the country was the dream of constitution framers. But only few who have money power, social standing (so called high class) and muscle power have dominated the resources available to the citizen. As per GITA "One has to be ready for the fruits of their Karma" and reservation is that fruit of the Karma of our forefathers. My opinion is that we have to learn to live with reservation, discrimination based on relegion, caste etc in this India. If we want to change the situation, let us start from ourself, give respect to deserving lowerclass people and admire their effort to be part of modern India and support the lower class people immotionally and financially and be ready to accept the job of sweeper, garbage collector etc. There should not be any hulla gulla in media if any high caste boy/girl marries to lower class of their own choice. If we can do this we have point to discuss reservation issue otherwise not
RE:Think with mind and not with heart !!!
by sam tango on Jun 04, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
dear, do u think that it can help the poor people of lower caste, no. Most of the rishest people of lower cast are taking the advantages. And tell all of us that the guy who will admitt to the mbbs, enggineering and some other most sescetives post is he able to do the work without knowledge, who is going to have faith??? aap log apne pair par kulahadi mar rahi ho kyunki bina gyan ke tum sirf apna hi bhala kar sakte ho desh ka nahi.
RE:Think with mind and not with heart !!!
by Navin Nigam on Jun 04, 2007 03:30 PM Permalink
they were forced to do? actually they were only good to do this only. Are you a historian? If you want to be someone...BE Still sons and dughters of people who are pulling ricksahw, auto and selling idlies are topping the chart..they do not need anything. Just to remind you after Reservation there is no other Ambhedkar born. He was a self made man. There will noone in future
RE:Think with mind and not with heart !!!
by parag solanki on Jun 04, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
Dear Navin, Thans for your reply. I m not historian. I m a scientist who has contributed to the India's first Light Combat Aircraft. My point is well answered by you as coz of reservation there is no need for another ambedkar. That is what researvation has achieved. No need for mass relegion change (there can be stray incidents). That is what reservation has given. I hope, please wait for some more years and all reserved categories will compete amongts themselves in such a way that reservation will become nullified. I assured cooperation of intellectuals like you.
RE:Think with mind and not with heart !!!
by Stefan G on Jun 04, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
Dear Navin,
Ambedkar was a god gifted talent and a prodigy. And you will be astonished to know that his first break to study abroad was achieved because of reservation only( a sort of). The Maharaja of Baroda had promised sponsoring a talented student from depressed class for studying abroad. Ambedkar was lucky to avail this facility and this became his starting point of his development. Thereafter Ambedkar fought for the upliftment of the depressed class and brought reservations in the constitution. He knew it is the best practical solution in the given circumstances.
The country today doesnt need any caste based reservations.All are enough equipped to handle things.By making reservations we leave out a big talented and deserving population without opportunities.
Let the deserving get.Lets eradicate reservations.
