If in a SC family the Father is given a Reservation benefit in getting a job then his family henceforth should be considered not eligible for SC benefits. We had a acquaintee he was SC earning 40000/month in Government His Son & Daughter got admissions in prime College on SC Basis. At that time we were earning on 12000 and still not given admission although i scored higher than them. The Crux is that if Father is already treated at par with the Open Class and has been brought at a better level than the average OPEN CLASS family then his children should be treated in OPEN CLASS and the Benefits in Admission be transferred to other SC Family this way More SC Families will be covered and fair use of Reservations will prevail. OTher way of fair use is that if A SC/ST Is given Education on Reservation basis he should be denied any reservations in the job and the job benefit should be passed to a SC ST guy who has not taken any benefit in education but is in need of job now.
RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by Jeya Shree on Jun 04, 2007 06:11 PM Permalink
Hello friend, though that sc person get 40000 Rs, do you treat his equaly. can you give realtives girl to his son. If you think that he has come up in his life.
RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by anand chavan on Jun 04, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
what stupid question is that... we are talking abt people who are economically backward and remain so because of lack proper facilities, the question you are asking is more to do with mindset of indians. And that wont change with any amount of reservations. The option given by amit is valid
RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by sushma velicheti on Jun 04, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
you need resevations to marry upper caste girls. that is meaning of social eqality.why not muslims get reservation based on population. hell with the vote politics,psuedo democracy and resevations.you can never develop in next life also. you will always feel you are lower caste even when you are well off .your thinking stinks. God save the nation.
RE:RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by vishal sharma on Jun 05, 2007 01:02 AM Permalink
height of stubbornness in a very funny (poor) language. economically we can consider that fellow equal. but intellect is a different aspect. One cant fool oneself by treating him of having the same intellect.
RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by Amit Mittal on Jun 05, 2007 10:46 AM Permalink
intellect can not be even increased by the reservtion so i dont understand your point of reservation and my point is that his kids are now already getting what an upper caste person's kids are getting so where does your question of increased or decreased intellect stand.
RE:RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by Amit Mittal on Jun 05, 2007 10:52 AM Permalink
Do you think that u need reservations for even marriage. Havent you seen Open Class people marrying into SC ST caste, they are marrying and it depends on the choice and mutual liking of the two involved. And haven't you ever seen that if two people both belong to the same caste and yet they cant marry so what you are saying is totally unrelated and irrational. Regarding me marrying any of my relative to them is upto the relative if he/she finds her/ him suitable who am i to object so better think beyond the reservations and dont expect that you will get reservation in marrying too..
RE:RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by NIHAR RANJAN MISHRA on Jun 04, 2007 06:12 PM Permalink
Only merit counts. If any body wants to see India progress, stop reservations.
RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by on Jun 04, 2007 06:14 PM Permalink
Arent you confusing yourself with social problem and education/employment for backward classes?
RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by KAUSHIK NANDY on Jun 04, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
Your words have justifications. Even today there are sections of the society where this is needed but this balanced formulae does prove that you have quite a prudent idea, but what could be the modus operandi of its observation.
RE:RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by Amit Mittal on Jun 05, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
A Certificate be issued as a job Certificate reservation or a Education Certificate reservation against a fixed identity like A PAN CARD and it should be issued only once either for a job or for an Education. If a man mentions or apply for a caste certificate he should be asked PAN No. and type of reservations he expects that is JOB or Edu. and it should in future with respect to this PAN CARD if he applies again with the same PAN CARD he should be reminded for his already enjoyed benefits
RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by ravi on Jun 04, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
Why do need marry someone from a different casts? An SC is earning (if in a job) through reservation, i.e., back door entry like a thieve. He?she does not deserve equality. Had he achieved like AMBEDKAR, WE ALL WILL SALUTE HIM.
RE:RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by Jeya Shree on Jun 04, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
friend, then how do you remove caste. do u want to hold caste. then u can not remove caste. let it go with reservation policy
RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by ravi on Jun 04, 2007 06:33 PM Permalink
Removing caste system is not the priority. Bringing equality to all casts is the priority. I will not prefer my relative to marry a guy who entered to any institute through BACK DOOR. I will devenitely want her to marry who dares to take the pain to enter through the front door
RE:A Balanced Reservation is needed
by on Jun 04, 2007 06:33 PM Permalink
Let our daughters marry who they would be happy with, you cant solve the SC/ST problem by marrying off brahmin girls to SC/ST men or the other way round!
The reservations at present are given on basis of caste. This should be discontinued. So that no caste asks for SC/ST right. If we say India is secular, then there shouldn't be any favour for any caste or religion. A scheme has to be brought in for the poor for their well being.
We all Indians are traditional beggers and our all governments make it sure that we remain beggers. Thats all about reservation. If Govt make a 10-20 years master plan to provide quality education at every village, there will not be any need for reservation. But then who will be a begger? And who will bother about aur politicians?
Thats why our politicians neeed us as beggers so that they can give us pie nuts and we remain beggers
I would recomment to remove all type of reservation in the Education sytem and make them FREE to all ( Government is collecting 2% CESS for Education - What is chidambaram doing with that Amount ... I can see no Increase in IIT's or NIT's or IIM's ) Also think that we gave this reservation previledge from 1947 that means if peoples who enjoys Reservation does not bring up their lifestyle in these 50 years will never bring it upwards.... If Atall Reservation is the Only Solution ..... then for GOD's sake kindly make it irrespective of religion, Caste etc., and make it available to the Per Capital Income ........................... Come on Chidambaram ..... Stop the sucking of bloood in the Name of TAX.
RE:Remove All types of Reservation in Education system ...
by Jeya Shree on Jun 04, 2007 06:07 PM Permalink
Dear friend, 50 years reservation has not brought any improvement for SC/ST people. Though the government decide to give reservation but how is implementing. It is going to higher community people hand an dthey hold it as vacant saying that no qualifed people. Then how do you expect the improvement in sc/st people.
RE:Remove All types of Reservation in Education system ...
by srinu veli on Jun 04, 2007 10:47 PM Permalink
so no need of qualification and merit .do you go to a doctor or proffesional who is not qualified and not capable of, and suffer.this is the condition of nation.suffering in the hands of incapble handicaps moving with support of reservation. god save the nation.why not reservation in armed forces.no need to sacrifice only benefits and fruits required.we are following the same old english policy of divide and rule on basis of language ,region,relegion,caste relegion.fight among ourselves and fall.
RE:Remove All types of Reservation in Education system ...
by mughal on Jun 04, 2007 07:03 PM Permalink
Dont create non-sense if u r really qualified and do care for the backward people why dont u take care of at least some people and spend ur whole life for their uplift
I am totally in the favour of reservation as you see the deprived class in our country which do not have any property ,land house etc hense they form a very poor class in our country if they dont have to eat how can they educate their children,how can they employ them. If we asses the totaly property held by indivisuals in our country we find that most of it belongs to the upper caste they are verry well plased in there life and have numerous resourses at there disposable where as there is no such thing in lower class.Due to this deviation in the masses the poorer gets more poorer and richer gets more rich in order to attain equality in the masses we require reservation upto 40 years from now.If some one wants to deprive the rights of reservation then they should see that there is equality in the entire society in every possible way.
RE:reservation yes/no
by NIHAR RANJAN MISHRA on Jun 04, 2007 06:15 PM Permalink
Come on !! compete and take your share, Undeserving persons are occupying the seats just in the name of reservation.
RE:RE:RE:reservation yes/no
by ravi on Jun 04, 2007 06:09 PM Permalink
Tell the truth. You want a back door entry to the elite instutions and want a govt job. Since u r lazy, not willing to work hard, you are citing all those stuffs. A poor is a poor irrespective of casts and religion. A poor guy needs help in the form of money and cheap education. NOT A BACK DOOR ENTRY LIKE A THIEVE
RE:RE:reservation yes/no
by ravi on Jun 04, 2007 06:08 PM Permalink
Tell the truth. You want a back door entry to the elite instutions and want a govt job. Since u r lazy, not willing to work hard, you are citing all those stuffs. A poor is a poor irrespective of casts and religion. A poor guy needs help in the form of money and cheap education. NOT A BACK DOOR ENTRY LIKE A THIEVE
RE:what is a caste ?
by on Jun 04, 2007 06:18 PM Permalink
Hello X! You first need to study animal classification(u r so weak in biology that u don't know who r human beings who are not) then anthropology then Social History of India and current knowledge of income per capita in India,Then start sharing views reg reservation.Now with blank data you don't have any authority to say so
RE:what is a caste ?
by viya kumari on Jun 05, 2007 12:44 AM Permalink
y are shuold first to get yuorself admitted to class 1 and then ge some lectures on humanity then get some religious teaching then only u wuold know the meaning of discrimination and humanity.
i am not in support of reservation. if u really want to do anything improve the standards of education and provide it free not to SC and ST but to all POORS. providing reservation is no different from encouging begging. you are not providing the means to earn u r simply giving braed.
If the country has to move forward give free education & financial assistance to the poor and the backward...but their shoudn't be any reservation for jobs or higher education etc etc...the best should rise to the top...competition should be equal...reservation has lead to the wrong man in the wrong post...It has only lead to brain drain...We shouldn't disrespect any job maybe manual worker to the post of the President...only than can we get rid of this tangle called reservation.
Dear guys, You all posted your opinion. How many of you are from SC/ST community?. This iteslf states the status of accsess to tech developments to the under privillaged people in India. They were treated like animals for hundreds of years and now they highly desrve for reservations. You all guys put yourselves into their shoes and tell wether reservations are necessary or not?
RE:Reservation
by arungopal agarwal on Jun 04, 2007 05:57 PM Permalink
I may not be from SC/ST but a sufferrer.I know the condition of SC/ST is pitiable but If you really sincere to SC/ST, raise against creamy layers, who is snatching your right. It is ashaming, if after 60 years of independence, situation is turning into a class war.
RE:RE:Reservation
by arungopal agarwal on Jun 04, 2007 06:00 PM Permalink
One further addition, along with creamy layer, raise against those also, who are in real sense not SC/ST but politicians have made through this route their vote bank.
RE:RE:Reservation
by Jeya Shree on Jun 04, 2007 06:02 PM Permalink
friend, why do you worry about creamy layer now. how does it aaafect higher caste. This is unnecessary problem. Tjis must be raised by SC/ST/OBC people. Not by other poeple. OK. enjoy
RE:Reservation
by arungopal agarwal on Jun 04, 2007 06:09 PM Permalink
It is affecting the higher class by way of reservation for endless period. Secondly only creamy layer is concerned about all this injustices, as this SC/ST SWARAN are looting the country.
RE:Reservation
by ravi on Jun 04, 2007 06:12 PM Permalink
For you kind information, go to tamilnadu and check. Its all the reach people who enjoys the benifit of reservation. Its a vote bank policy and suck india and indians and making them fool.
RE:Reservation
by Biswajyoti Borkakoty on Jun 04, 2007 05:57 PM Permalink
who is stopping SC/ST community to rise to top...You want reservation... so that after 50 yrs, the rest of the population goes backward???
RE:RE:RE:Reservation
by Jeya Shree on Jun 04, 2007 05:58 PM Permalink
who is stopping. Then why are you crying when the government decided to give reservation for those people
RE:Reservation
by viya kumari on Jun 05, 2007 01:49 AM Permalink
whos stopping????????? an attitude of some high caste towards low caste got it??????????
RE:Reservation
by rajan alakandy on Jun 04, 2007 06:27 PM Permalink
You talk nonsense.You animals want to take the revenge? come on stop it and help the poor.
RE:Reservation
by Jeya Shree on Jun 04, 2007 05:56 PM Permalink
It is very clear that SC/ST/OBC are not able to access the computer yet. But here people talk whole day about country development. Please those people to come up in life giving some allowance in hier life.
