Reservation is required. Rich lower castes exist because of reservations. please do not forget that and if there was no reservation then there would have been no rich lower castes in the first place... People who speak here are those who are educated and working in big companies and obviously will access internet. It is a vicious circle, an upper caste city bred guy or gal has access to everything and eventually make it "big". Imagine a person from a rural background cannot speak the so called "proper english" and will be discriminated by various names - from budhu to stupid. No one from the city bred group will like to make friends with them, therefore the person will lose confidence and will never think big. Coming to rich lower castes, well they constitute a minority and when you cannot find lower income lower castes then only other the so called rich lower castes should be given priority because an lower caste person will understand what discrimination is and will help out a lower caste when the person reaches the policy level decision making stage. Please recall how many us will actually make friends with a lower caste person without showing pity. Have a look at all the friends and will find everyone is well-to-do and from upper castes. Whether we agree or not we are like that... we want lower caste to remain there so that our homes can be cleaned cheap, our children can be taken care.. and show charitable attitude by throwing some money to them occasionally to satisfy o
RE:Reservation is important...
by Aditya Talwar on Jun 04, 2007 08:15 PM Permalink
My friend do you really want to be treated by a doctor who has been givn a degree not because he was talented enough ,but was that of a SC/ST/OBC background ,getting into a medical college scoring half the required marks and just somehow completed his graduation(which is in English) and spending most of time not learning things but finding out the wordmeanings of the terms and topics. DON'T YOU THINK THIS WOULD BE JUST DILUTING ONE OF OUR'S BEST STREAMS REQUIRNG PROFESSENCY AND GREAT SKILLS{MEDICAL TREATMENT) WHICH IS NOW ALMOST ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD........ DO THINK ABOUT IT MY FRIEND?
RE:Reservation is important...
by Santosh Kumar on Jun 04, 2007 07:17 PM Permalink
Mr Nitin,
Absolutely agree with your views. The voices that we hear in the media - online and offline are the voices of only the uppercastes - as they have access to it. The problems of the lower castes persist even today. Take the case of matrimony - if we really weren't a caste-oriented society, why is it so diffcult for a lower caste person to marry someone from an upper caste? In many matrimonial advertisements, people openly say that SC/ST people should not respond. When it comes to promotions and good postings, people people in high positions (read high castes) ensure that only their own brethren get the best. In MBA colleges where students have to form project teams, the SC/ST students are left searching for partners. So everyone is aware of the caste dimension, but the upper caste people pay lip-service to equality. Absolute equality in an uneven playing field will only make the disadvantaged castes go more backward. Reservations are one mechanism by which the lower caste people get into positions of power and can effect a graudal social change. People say it is been 60 long years of reservations. But compared to the 1000's of years of social deprivation of the lower castes, 60 years of support will not really bring the SC/STs to a level of equality, where they do not need crutches anymore.
The day people do not look down on an SC/ST, the day the so called higher caste people do not mind marrying lower caste people, the day, people do not take (false) pride in their
RE:Reservation is important...
by anand chavan on Jun 04, 2007 07:03 PM Permalink
My friend the reservations have been there from 50 years, and the people who have benefited from it are only those who require it the least. By further increasing the reservations we wont be helping people about whom you are talking.. who cannot read and cannot access internet. 1. Reservations are fine but the way they are implemented is incorrect. 2. Use the money from government to improve primary/secondary school eduction in rural parts of india. 3.OBCs and SCs who are in metro cities and earning well.. so called creamy layer should be kept out. A person who has been given job/admission in institue on bais of reservation, his children are not eligible for further reservations because its his responsibilty to use to best whats he is offered. 3. Students who are talented score good marks but do not get admission in engg/medical should be given pririty
RE:Reservation is important...
by viya kumari on Jun 05, 2007 01:10 AM Permalink
mind your langauage high thinking kya ?discrimination karne ki tumhari terhe????????????
RE:Reservation is important...
by Meer Ali on Jun 04, 2007 07:33 PM Permalink
you are wrong my dear. i am from middle class family and have very limited income. my father has earned hand to mouth but he never allowed us to discontinue the studies. we are all graduates now. we have come up with taking food once in a day only. I had granted all india educational loan for merit and paid the loan and also after getting the job i repaid the loan. why canont dalits or toher bcs study and compete. No they need easy money without struggle. our forefather may be 500 years back said to be behaved bad with the people and so we have to getr punishment? Amusing!
RE:Reservation is important...
by vishal joshi on Jun 04, 2007 08:02 PM Permalink
Dear I m brahmin...and i was belonging to a lower income group till recent years...i studied hard without no support of my family, society (forget about government) and finally made in life.....i require no help from anyone..cauz i know that in india to get help u have to be DALIT and not brahmin...anyway...i m proud of being a brahmin and truly admits no amount of reservation can uplift a person who is desitned to be poor and downtrodden (of course due to its KARMA) and a person who is determined to uplift himself require no helps. DALITS will never understand this....
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by viya kumari on Jun 05, 2007 01:14 AM Permalink
u call yourself brahmin and u dont know the universal law of karma .ok if u tink this way then listen to this u ae suffering because of yuor on attitude towards low caste people if there had been no discrimination then there wuoldnt have been any such policy ok
RE:Reservation is important...
by on Jun 04, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
The first time I understood that my best frined was different was when she told me how easy it was for her to get admission in engineering colleges bcos she was from SC. All her cousins were engineers. Her father was an engineer in a govt job.
My ancestors are farmers. Their education reqd by walking a huge distance to reach their schools every day and by staying at some relatives place dependent on their charity. I was still not in a finanncial position to get admission in an engineering course. Neither financial resources nor a caste.
Charity is what my father and my uncles got. Right is what her father, her uncles and her cousins and her children get.
Reservations is just political stunt by sick politicians like Arjun Singh 1. If OBC/SC/ST are still backword then you should try from root level to provide them primary/seconday education and not directly admission into IIM/IIT 2. There are so many instances where SC/OBC guys got admission in prime engg colleges because of caste though with less marks and othes from open cat had to take up Bsc because of no seats. Further what did these idiots do in those colleges? they repeatedly flunked and quit engg after couple of years
RE:Sick politicians
by Pradeep Satapathy on Jun 04, 2007 06:49 PM Permalink
Very bad intention of currupted politician who begging votes. I don't know only SC and ST are giving votes not general people.
I am Venugopalan and would like to share my views on the reservation.
It is heartening to note that even after 60 years of independence still we are disputing with the people on the basis of caste, where as we call ourselves as humans. If required a Volume of 1000 pages can prepared on this subject whereas in short I would like to say that it is high time for us bring common civil code and bring equality amonth the people.
Rise this voice and see that caste, creed and religion is scrapped from the constitution and bring equality among the people.
No doubt we should uplift the poor by offering free education and free meals and looking at their interest and enthusiasm they should be motivated and extend all helps for higher studies.
There should be no reservation on the basis of specified cast. If it is necessary to Govt. than it should be on basis of Financial condition/backward area/handicap/international player/ex-man Etc.
Reservation is all about giving a favour to someone who is not meritorius but he born in some caste. this is not good. this is all political will not done any good to the society. we are going to be divided. let only indians live in Akhand Bharat. I do agree there are certain people are economically very backward. but why don't we give them free education till their schooling, free travel ticket for appear in examinations, coaching. always favours the brave who make their way to the glory by their hardwork and struggle.0 instead of giving a wish to hungry it is better to give a fishing rod.
Please check the following: 1. Who are the major criminals in Bihar and UP? 2. Who are the most corrupted politicians in this country
You got the answer right. In BIHAR and UP, Its JADAVs who constitute the most criminals and corrupted politicians: A BACKWARD COMMUNITY.
I am not claiming that all others casts are honest. The only thing I wanteed to say that its merit that should count. Provide all the help one need to the deserved candiadates but let them achieve what they deserve.
Otherwise they will remain begger and will continue begging throuhout rest of their life.
I am myself an OBC, but I never thought myself as OBC, this boosted my confidence and came to know my real value. BC/ST should never think themself as BC/ST , this will automatically make them feel equal, and should start thinking the way the higher cast thinks. The BC/ST can come up by doing BUSINESS AMONG THEMSELVES and bring their cast up to the level of other upper cast people. If done honestly this can be easily achieved. I know I am talking which is not going to happen because these people wont change their mindset and always follow someone's speech therapy and become victims. but atleast I am satisfied that now I've started getting recognition from the higher cast. First of all the BC/ST should think themself as higher cast and stop begging for rights.
RE:No reservation please
by Jeya Shree on Jun 04, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
is there any reason to say that. R u under pressure. be cool.nothying will happend. we are all indians
