This is an ethical issue. People who join company with genuine CV are not hesitating faking bills for HRA and medical reimbursement. So why blame the start-up guys alone. The society as such needs a teaching on ethical compliance
RE:by balajisadagopan
by prateek gulati on Feb 20, 2007 08:16 PM Permalink
i don't agree with you. Forgin a cv is a crime but getting fake bills cannot be called a crime as it is done to save tax and its there in law and it is done after fulfilling legal requirements. But faking a cv amounts to fraud and the person doing so should be jailed and should not be allowed to work anywhere.
RE:RE:by balajisadagopan
by Kaushik Das on Feb 21, 2007 01:27 AM Permalink
Claiming reimbursements with fake medical bills IS A CRIME - forgery (section 420) combined with TAX EVASION.
RE:RE:RE:by balajisadagopan
by Ajitesh Bhowmick on Feb 21, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
Do you know from where this Section got birth from!! i personally dont like forging... but as u know the saying goes "Survival of the fittest.." u do these things to just survive..or u die.. Just part of life cycle!!
RE:RE:by balajisadagopan
by Para Mesh on Feb 20, 2007 09:29 PM Permalink
Terrific, Gulati. If in your interest you indulge in some bogus/fake activity it is to be excused on the extant plea that it is a legal requirement but, if another person does something similar in his own interest he should be jailed. Ha Ha Ha. Which planet are you from? A person, albeit with fake qualifications and experience claims, if he performs the job for which he is recruited adequately, he is a better person than some one like you who for a few rupees would own up to a non existent illness.
RE:RE:by balajisadagopan
by GIRISH MIRCHANDANI on Feb 20, 2007 06:12 PM Permalink
Thast the most ridiculos thing I have heard Prateek. Balaji is correct!!
Faking CV`s is wrong.However,is it good that Service companies like Infosys,Satyam,TCS fake the resume with International Clients to bag projects.It is also wrong..
Does Sachin Tendulkar had a highest mark through all the academic carrer to enter into the playing arena and be the best of all.So it is not mandatory to see the academic record unless the guy may be too talented to do the IT related jobs. In IT it is talent in his work not the degree.Does any one listening.
RE:RE:Why job hunters fake C.V
by Kaushik Das on Feb 21, 2007 09:34 AM Permalink
I disagree. How is the company going to decide that you have the talent? One platform is that you have completed a certain number of years of education. It means you have studied (satisfactorily) history, geography, science and arts - so you will not be totally out of sync in general conversations and it is important that you communicate properly and write correct language. The graduation in engineering displays your capability of having studied and understood (satisfactorily) technical language and calculations as well as answering technical questions as well as taking up technical projects, etc, etc, etc. It's just not THAT simple. If you are simply a ramanujam, well, the software industry is not for you.
RE:RE:Why job hunters fake C.V
by Babu A on Feb 24, 2007 08:56 PM Permalink
I absolutely agree. However the way "TALENT" is being gauged in this Industry is questionable. A HR out of college and six months in the Job reviews your Resume and send you through the next round. How as a person with umpteen number of years reach the right person where he/she can be gauged for "talent?"
RE:RE:Why job hunters fake C.V
by prateek gulati on Feb 20, 2007 05:46 PM Permalink
if a person has a talent he need not fake his cv.A person commits a fraud only when he is not sure that he is capable enough to get selected. Talent can ne shown during the personal interview.
RE:RE:RE:Why job hunters fake C.V
by Sreenivas on Feb 20, 2007 08:42 PM Permalink
I u say that talent can be shown in Personal Interview, why people are recruiting based on religion
RE:RE:RE:RE:Why job hunters fake C.V
by viswanathan on Feb 20, 2007 06:47 PM Permalink
I agree with the whole point that the talent can be shown in the personal interview or something. But even for getting selected or shortlisted for the interview, u need some experience.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Why job hunters fake C.V
by chaitanya reddy on Feb 20, 2007 07:47 PM Permalink
based on religion?? come on man, where did u see this in corporate world
RE:RE:RE:RE:Why job hunters fake C.V
by Kaushik Das on Feb 21, 2007 01:34 AM Permalink
We are talking about the Information Technology industry, not the International Terrorism industry, Sreenivas. :-)
RE:RE:RE:Why job hunters fake C.V
by priyam tripathi on Feb 21, 2007 01:19 AM Permalink
Mr. Gulati, I saw your reviews regarding this issue in several places.But i do not agree with you. Today everyone do some fake work to show there talent. Most of the companies put 70% throughout as a criteria, did you think that people who score above 70% throughout are good coders.I dont think so, when you are not getting shortlisted with this criteria how are you going to impress in personal interview.
Firstly i feel that the companies themselves are a cause for this. They have unrealistic expectations from candidates and keep raising the bars every time. The hype and cry of the larger companies force candidates to look at them and want to enter those companies at any cost. The candidates are not the only ones to be blamed...The companies, Recruitment policies too have to be blamed. The Background check is not a solution to th problem. I know of a friend who recently completed CRM training...no work experience...but still placed in a big company with a fat package courtesy the Fake Experience certificate by the CRM Training Institute. People should not be employed on the basis of HISTORY but what they are capable of and if they fit into the role. HIRE AND FIRE IS A WAY OF LIFE IN IT SECTOR NOW...SAD
RE:Fake CVs
by preeja gangadharan on Feb 21, 2007 01:33 AM Permalink
If the so called copaines are faving the cv of their own employees to bag the projects then , the so called companies should not crying if any one enters these organization through a fave CV .
I have heard of people faving CVs to get a job, But this is the first time I have heard companies faving the CVs of employees to bag the projects.
RE:RE:Fake CVs
by sam on Feb 20, 2007 06:01 PM Permalink
Yes its true companies fake CV to bag projects...They are right then but when a person join with a fake CV they come out to media complaining about it...These Companies only want to mint money. The top 5 companies are only one to encourage people to have fake CV's. They dont want geniune people because they demant higher salary. They want people to work on low salary which invites people to make fake CV and enter into our top 5 companies like TCS, Wipro, Infy, IBM, etc... These companies are encouranging such activities..
RE:RE:RE:Fake CVs
by bahmidipati subbarao on Feb 21, 2007 02:31 AM Permalink
even tcs .. wipro infy .. also fake mydear .. dont subject the small ones when the big ones do the same paltry act .. the biggies want to take people on their genuine talent but with 'correct exp' so that they can get the best work for 'less pay' .. we cannot offer this sal for ur exp .. but they wud sell that 'talent' for a 'gr8' price and fill their banks .. all a margin game ..
I used to work for one of the big three Public listed IT companies of India. And My company faked my resume and that of my entire team to bag a CRM project we were given some basic training in CRM. Soemhow we could deliver inspite of the fudging and the best part of it was some of the guys in the team had 3 years of experince on the CV to demand a higher billing rate when they had not even seen the software screen for more than 3 days. Sab chalta hai in the US, how else will get you software engineers with quality experience to work for a pittiance for Indias so called big three.
I have very good expereince. i am working for one big MNc.But the Problem i working contract employee. but I have not completed my degree. I may be completing in this year. but it almost from 5 years I have not completed my degree. I want to know what to answer if recuirter ask why did you took such big gap in completing degree.
RE:regarding my career
by Kaushik Das on Feb 21, 2007 04:11 AM Permalink
NO problem... tell them the truth. No harm in that. If you start telling stories, they will not believe you. But be good in your work. Then, it will be overlooked. Parallelly, complete the degree.
RE:regarding my career
by prateek gulati on Feb 21, 2007 01:51 AM Permalink
first of all u need to improve your english and then only ask other people to answer your question.
RE:RE:regarding my career
by sdsd sdsd on Feb 20, 2007 11:52 PM Permalink
Mr Gulati,
U r talking a lot ..do u think u r the prime minister of India or what???U shuld improve ur communication first then only u can be in a position to give advise to others..U need to go to nursery and complete ur schooling again...for how many days u have been in SW industry..i think u r a very selfish person ..if u cant give proper suggestion then for GOD sake keep ur mouth shut...
I am woking in a Co from last 3.5 yr. but before that i had left two co. if i ll switch any co now, are they ll ask for past company exp certificate. the old company was closed now.
RE:pl help me
by Kaushik Das on Feb 21, 2007 01:41 AM Permalink
Yes, they will. You should have got a certificate when you left the company. Nothing can be done about that now but you can probably give in writing the truth of the facts.
i personally don't think there's anything wrong in faking one's cv.It's your work and skills that matter,once you are in the job.A person shouldn't be laid off just because he had added some extra points in his CV.If he can prove himself in his work,then his CV should be of no concern.Unfortunately,competition in the work area has become so stressful,that one needs to get that extra brownie points in his CV to be selected for the job,no matter how talented he might be.
RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by PRADEEP JUPALLI on Feb 20, 2007 04:52 PM Permalink
I personally feel that once the candidate is recruited should not be thrown out becoz he has proved at all the levels becoz several tests are conducted by these so called corporates, such as aptitude test,technical tests and the HR round by the management....than whats the fun in throwing him out. Either U dont recruit such candidates and if recruited than retain them.JUDGE THEM BY THEIR CURRENT VALUE ADDITION TO THE COMPANY AND NOT BY TO HIS INDIVIDUAL CV... by Pradeep Jupalli
RE:RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by Kaushik Das on Feb 21, 2007 04:22 AM Permalink
Or correct his resume... pay him a salary for his experience band, if required... but should not be fired. Right? Maybe.
RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by Hemanth on Feb 20, 2007 04:36 PM Permalink
I strongly agree on your point. My own experience is that, i dont have a degree and even though i am now a projet manager in a reputed concern. I joined here 3 years back as a developer, then promoted to Team Lead -> Project Lead and now i am a Project Manager with 1 year experience. Handling project, Client communications (US & UK), Managing 12 member team. So what do you all think, did my studies help me on this, NO WAY. Its all my self interest and commitment toward my work. Only dearm i had is to save my family. And this motivated me to reach this level.
RE:RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by Kaushik Das on Feb 21, 2007 04:18 AM Permalink
In your case, you made up for the lack of degree in the work which is what matters - but I know so many people who struggled. How is the company going to know whether the non-degree holder can put in the required effort if he has not done so in education? The degree is not a prerequisite for doing good work but how will one know that you can do good work?
RE:RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by Krishna V on Feb 21, 2007 02:08 AM Permalink
Hemanath, it is good that you are lucky and / or probably you could be exceptionally talented individual. However on general basis one cannot de-mean education as this technnical world is not sustaining and continualy advancing by people without degrees. Let us leave out exceptionally talented people (Gates etc.) from this discussion.
Secondly, I presume that you have been truthful to your employing organization/s about your real qualification and not faked a degree. If you have faked your degree then this faked degree has played important role for you to have a basic standing in the industry.
RE:RE:RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by Para Mesh on Feb 20, 2007 07:16 PM Permalink
What passes for education is simply rote learning. Specific to IT, a BCom is better suited to coding banking software than a Civil Engineer from IIT. If the companies insist on laying down fake profiles then there is no harm in an otherwise qualified candidate faking his qualifications to match the original fake. Now that offshoring is the done thing and there is no need for on site deputation, our mighty IT giants are saying that an ordinary graduate can be trained to do the jobs for which they earlier insisted on top class, 'academically bright throught' candidates. Now their specious plea is that enough engineers are not available! The truth is that the US would issue H1B only to those with 17 years of formal education and hence they had no choice but to recruit engineers. Now that this is no longer a must, they deign to look at `ordinary graduates'. Most of the jobs in the IT industry, at its current level of operation in India, is that of coders and this a moron with SSC/HSC and some training should be able to do. Note, an `ordinary graduate` can be hired for approximately half the cost of a IIT engineer.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by Kaushik Das on Feb 21, 2007 01:49 AM Permalink
That is the deficiency in the Indian education system - you cannot change the recruitment system just because the education system is not up to the mark. At least the person is expected to learn those tech things by rote, even if it is rote learning. Also, there are things called practicals where all the rote learning will be of no use.
RE:RE:RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by Hemanth on Feb 20, 2007 06:24 PM Permalink
Thank you Krishna. I have not shown my degree in my CV. So it is not playing a role here. But currently i am doing Bsc Maths in correspondence, will finish this before 2007.
RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by on Feb 20, 2007 04:24 PM Permalink
am working for the so called genuine companies who fired their employees for fakeing resume. actullay i was in bench for almost 1 year and i was asked to take care of employee relations which is a nonsense job and nothing to do with technical things. when H1 filed for me, the so called company asked me to put a fake project from their own company since US consulate will not accept the nonsense project. What do you say for this?
RE:RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by glow glow on Feb 20, 2007 04:33 PM Permalink
Boss-- Its absolutely justified for you to fake your CV but.. the its not fair for those cowboys who fake their certificates i.e year of passing along with not working for any company they say that we have exp for 2 yaers and luckliy these idiots also get fatter packages.
FAKING CV within organisation is OK but the other way its not justified at all.
RE:RE:RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by on Feb 20, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
Mr. Glow Glow... There is no justification of faking either within the office or outsite the office... Common man.. faking is just faking..thats it... companies cannot just like that sack employees for the sake of faking.. they shd consider their potential dude... before doing that... just to make sure... they save their own things they does this.. how can u justify a company sacking an employee after 2 years of service on this grounds... couldnt they identified them before hand.. one more thing is.. if that person in critical to a project then they would definitely not have done so... this is all Business Man.. and No meaning to Faking... SIva
RE:RE:RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by sunil giri on Feb 20, 2007 05:08 PM Permalink
Buddy, it seems like you are not concerned about the fake resumes. But interested in some one else's salary package.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by glow glow on Feb 20, 2007 08:10 PM Permalink
YES Mr. Giri it hurts a lot when fake guys get more salary then you working with you.
RE:RE:RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by tips kn on Feb 20, 2007 04:57 PM Permalink
Mr , glow glow||
why do you have this biased opinion , when a company can fake ,why cant a individual ?both are doing for the same purpose i,e for money .When a company itself is not genuine then it has no right to expect a genuine candidate.
RE:RE:RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by Smart Fool on Feb 20, 2007 04:54 PM Permalink
How is it justified within an Organization? A lie is a lie and a fake is a fake no matter who does it.
RE:Faking CV-Big Deal?!
by prateek gulati on Feb 20, 2007 05:49 PM Permalink
The person who fakes his cv and goes unnoticed can easily fake the cv everytime and the desrving candidate can be left out. how do u justify this. answer from ur own point of view.
Now a days each and every company in india is facing this issue.inspite of that,they are recruiting the candidates.coz they require them.there were not much oppurtunities 3 yrs back in the IT industry.But nowadays most of the companies are asking for 3 yrs of exp.if they look for the realtime,they will not get the candidtes.and moreover they need to pay more salary for the realtime candidates.most of the companies like satyam,IBm,wipro and TCS are not paymasters.they obviously look for the candidates who require less salary.so faking the resumes is being encouraged by these sort of companies.They may axed today.but once again they will get these type of candidates :)
There is no point of making comments on this article.Stop wasting your valuable time.
A degree is required for the entry to the organisation only. After that it is our temprament and your ability to gain knowledge and skills which will help.But faking your CV is a big risk as the company will know at some time that you know nothing or does not have the required set of skills.... hence the termination... Honesty and good work will pay in long run.Hence put your strength in honning your skill and success will come naturally.
