Oneway we can counter M&M is to look for freak bowlers (guys whose wrists that turn 360 egrees and coach them to bowl spin/medium pace )If we can find batsman who are ambidextrous that might also help with the new Peterson Wrong handed Switch shot or the old Rohan anhai falling over shot.
Dear sir , Good evening to everyboby with great respect. My selfself Anshu Sahu from Allahabad.It's very sad India loose 1st test match against sri lanka but i think there is no need to worry thats the way think are im sure indian will back with great perfomance & dont dare to forget our indian team cricket stars sachin dravid laxman kumble & gangugly are still there. So rest assured on team they will become with great victory.and allways remind sir sachin is our star.
If india looses the second test, probably we could take all the young players of IPL who have performed well and make them play in the third test, am sure they would win...
RE:new players - thought
by Ravi chandran on Jul 29, 2008 04:52 PM Permalink
Same team will have the honor of losing 0-3, all by an innings and many runs in less than 4 days.
Do you remember the performance of Rahul Dravid and Anil Kumble first against the Sri Lankans in Sri lanka And then against Zimbawe in Zimbawe in 2006 after which Saurav Dada was removed from the Captaincy and Dravid was appointed as captain, Since than Dravid has faced all type of music, NOW IT IS KUMBLE'S TURN TO FACE IT. Dada is in happy position to wait& watch after prooving himself and making a succesful comeback.
RE:TIT FOR TAT
by Ravi chandran on Jul 29, 2008 04:41 PM Permalink
Come back. Where? He is not in our 1-day team, nor in our T20 team. He is playing his last Test series. Stop joking.
RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 04:35 PM Permalink
If he scores hundred in nxt game then u will write what a great player he is. U ppl really hav short memory when he played so well in Aus u ppl did not hav problem wid him. Ha ha wht an irony? Great Indians
RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by rambo only on Jul 29, 2008 04:54 PM Permalink
In the 1990s, everyone used to say that Tendulkar's was the all-important wicket in the Indian team. It certainly bore examination, as there were numerous occasions when his dismissal ended the resistance from the Indian team. Most notably in the Chennai test against Pakistan, when Tendulkar's superb 136 in the fourth innings could not win India the match, as he lost his wicket about twenty runs before the target (his lower back injury was acting up), and the remaining four wickets promptly collapsed. The assumption always was that Tendulkar is under so much pressure because he knows if he gets out, the team will fold up instantly, and to be fair, it was more than partially true. But this was before the new era in Indian cricket dawned, before Sourav Ganguly became captain in 2000. With the emergence of Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly and later Sehwag as genuine match-winners, the pressure has been off Tendulkar for quite a while. And yet, since then, Tendulkar has deteriorated as a player. He does not deliver in crunch situations and you'd be hard pressed to find a single occasion when he took India home.
RE:RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 05:18 PM Permalink
Back injury acting up dude go get some life. I don't knw in which world do u live. Plz see a doc, u need medical attention very soon.
RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by rambo only on Jul 29, 2008 04:55 PM Permalink
Tendulkar peaked in 1998, when he made those magnificent twin ODI centuries against Australia in Sharjah. It has been steadily downhill since then, with a few sparklers off and on, but that has apparently been enough for our media. Sample, how in the 1999 World Cup, when he came back after his father's funeral and slammed Kenya (whose bowling attack could not have been better than MIG Cricket Clubs at that time) for a 140, the media raved about him. That he did not cross 50 after that even once was characteristically glossed over. (It's not that failure is to be held against him more fiercely than others ; it's just that his success could be examined more closely).
Forget being the world's best batsman, Tendulkar is not even India's greatest batsman today. That distinction goes to Rahul Dravid, by a mile. No-one has won India more matches with the bat than Dravid has, not to speak of the matches he has saved. Both Laxman and Sehwag have played more significant, match-winning innings for the Indian team in the last 5 years than Tendulkar has (the man-of-the match awards clearly tell you that). So, why is he considered our greatest batsman.
RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by rambo only on Jul 29, 2008 04:54 PM Permalink
Many keep saying that he's the greatest one-day batsman ever. The records/figures sure suggest that. Now, chew on these figures. Tendulkar's ODI averages in Australia,England,South Africa and New Zealand (usually tougher places to bat in than the subcontinent) are 28, 29, 27 and 27 respectively (these figures are against the host team only). His tally of centuries in these countries is 0, 1, 1 and 0. Meanwhile, his ODI averages against Bangladesh,Kenya and Zimbabwe are 50, 108 and 49. Compare this to Brian Lara's ODI record. Matches: 279. Average: 41.37. 100s: 19. Huh, you say? His ODI averages in Australia,England,South Africa and New Zealand are 37, 32, 36 and 52. His ODI average against Sri Lanka is 67, and it would do well to remember that those are not home conditions for him, as they are for Tendulkar. There's a reason why Murali has publicly stated that Lara is the best batsman in the world, and not Tendulkar. Also, Lara's averages do not get ridiculously skewed against the weaker teams (as is curiously the case with all the other great batsmen, except Tendulkar). He averages 42, 43 and 45 against Bangladesh,Kenya and Zimbabwe. It has been murmured in many quarters over the years, that Tendulkar is a bit of flat track bully, who relishes weaker attacks and does not play consistently against stronger bowling attacks. This is actually borne out in test cricket too.
RE:RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 05:24 PM Permalink
where did u hear abt this murmur? Is it murmur or ur imagination? If Murali reckons Lara to be the best batsmen, there are many great bowlers who reckon Sachin to be the best. Wht do hav to say abt tht? why r u just talking abt Murali, wht abt Wasim Akram, Waqar, Mc Grath, Donald, Shane Warne, gillespie, Brett Lee. why do u think ppl get worried when sachin's out, why do u think that opposition's happy when they get sachin out. Just by making up the numbers doesn't prove ur point, even I can come up wid some no. Get facts my friend and then lets get talking
RE:RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 05:26 PM Permalink
Can I get Lara's Avg against individual team's tht seems to be missing?
RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by rambo only on Jul 29, 2008 04:55 PM Permalink
The whole point of presenting all these facts is to question why Sachin Tendulkar is the cricketing role model of this country. With the natural talent he has been blessed with, he should be at the forefront of India's cricket success in the past few years. After all, don't they say that good players adjust and great players dominate? His failure on that count can only be attributed to weakness of mind or character, and/ or allowing a certain individual focus to supersede the team's requirements.
Having said all this, once again, it is worth adding that his importance to the Indian team is still tangible. Talent like his comes rarely, and if he could only be persuaded to play as freely as he used to in his younger days (and as he did on just a handful of occasions in the last 5 years), with the team's objectives as the primary focus, he could actually justify at least some of the hype he generates.
Till then, one has to wonder - why do the media keep projecting him as India's cricketing Go d? Why do former cricketers fli nch from cri ticizing him? Why is his inadequacy glossed over by commentators of the game? Is it a sign of the shallowness of our times, or of the priority of entertainment over substance in all walks of life? Sadly, that's not another story.
RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 05:17 PM Permalink
Rambo I think u hav totaly wrong perception abt sachin, dude I agree head over heels when u say Dravid is technically more correct and sound palyer than sachin. As Dravid himself puts it "I am a big fan of Tendulkar". Sums it all u hav something against Sachin , I can get The statistics and wld try to twist and turn things. Get the big picture my friend.
RE:RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by rambo only on Jul 29, 2008 04:55 PM Permalink
Tendulkar and Dravid make an interesting comparison study in another aspect.Think of all the adjustments (some would say sacrifices) Dravid made throughout his career, both in ODIs and Tests, and the story gets even more interesting. Dravid agreed to keep wickets in one-dayers to give his side a better balance. He went down to number 6 in tests, and even opened several times, to lend his side flexibility. Tendulkar? He never even considered opening in tests for India, despite being India's regular one-day opener, and despite there being a severe need for his kind of solid technique at the top of the order in Tests. He never even gave it a shot even once. In fact, just this fact makes one wonder why Sunil Gavaskar is not rated higher than Tendulkar :Gavaskar opened the batting against far more ferocious bowling attacks than Tendulkar has succeeded against at no. 4. Gavaskar saved, and even won, more test matches for India than Tendulkar ever did. And this, despite the fact that the Indian team was not such a big all-round force in most of Gavaskar's career. In fact, with the pressure of being the all-important player off Tendulkar (post-2000), it gave him the space to take his game to a different level, but he could not do that.
RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by rambo only on Jul 29, 2008 04:54 PM Permalink
First of all, and lets get this out of the way straight away, there is no question that Sachin Tendulkar is one of the most gifted batsman of all time. His natural talent is beyond dispute; the combination of remarkably sound technique and aesthetically pleasing flair is very unique. The ability to make economical movements that effect more than what the eyes see immediately, decisively attack balls that others defend and consistently pierce gaps easily set him apart on the talent stakes from pretty much every contemporary batsman (except Brian Lara).; And of course,very fortunate to have such talent serve its national team.
But cricket ultimately is a team game. If you make individuals stars in a team game, it stands to reason that their contribution to the teams success is in that proportion too. It is true in every other sport, but somehow this basic truth gets obfuscated in cricket. And on this count, to put it bluntly, Sachin Tendulkar does not live up to anything near his billing. Unlike every single notable peer of his ; Lara, Steve Waugh, Aravinda DeSilva, Inzamam, Ponting, Hayden, Kallis, Fleming and most importantly Rahul Dravid.
RE:Award Bharat Ratna to Sachin
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
My friend steve waugh, Hayden, Pointing etc etc etc. Have been playing or have played cricket for at the most 10-15 yrs. He has played this game for nearly 19-20 yrs now. he started when he was 16. Just imagine the amount of pressure he takes in each n every game he plays. And the amount of cricket he has played is not matched by any of the names u hav mentione. Also s Waugh, pointing, hayden etc hav ahd the luxury of having played with many good players in the team. Even if they lose their wicket they knw they hav some more good players in their side to score. But for sachin he did not hav this luxury, he has always taken the burden. I even doubt the names u mentioned wld have scored the runs if they had team mates sachin ahd in their team. Just bcoz now he gets injured or is out of form n nw we hav players who can score for us u ppl hav started his credentials. Don't forget the best batsmen of this century Don Bradman respects sachin n reckons he is the best. Viv Richards the greatest master blaster is his fan, Sahne Warne the best leg spinner ever to hav played respects him, Glen Mcgrath the best seam bowler reckons he is the best. S waugh the example u gave reckons tht while he was the captian he always wanted to get sachin out and was relieved when he was successful. When the great palyers who have played this game reckon he is the best I don't give a f**k abt what others think. Bcoz some where in ur mind or heart u ppl are jealous of his success. There is a saying in my
If U ppl have problems with the way we play cricket then don't watch it. Dont support cricket, support athletes who r in need of money. Instead of crying do something.
RE:Grow Up
by A Singh on Jul 29, 2008 04:27 PM Permalink
Nonsense! You are not the only one who has brains. Nobody is crying because we lost. We are upset because we have been humiliated. Nobody would mind if India were to go down fighting. But there was no fight, and that is why people are angry. God save India from dreamers like you, who are looking for positives even from a crushing defeat like this.
RE:Grow Up
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 04:32 PM Permalink
were ppl angry when Indian hocket team did not qualify for Olympics, there is no greater humiliation, then our National game is not being represented in Olympics this time. Shame on u ppl, u call ur self Indians, actually u ppl shld not be in India. Go learn something from Aussies, Chinese etc. They support their country in any game they are represented by their athletes. Shame on ppl like u. U hav problems with cricket players but still want to go watch a game. How many hckey games hav u watched, how many badminton games hav u watched do u knw who is ranked No.1 (in India) in badmintion? Dont write nonsense n say I m writing nonsense. All of u here r writing nonsense
All of us are writing nonsense, and you are the ONLY sensible man here. If you have such opinions about others and about yourself, there is NO use trying instill some sense in YOU, YOUR HIGHNESS.
When Indian team did not qualify for Olympics, it was due to weak infrastructure , system and set up of hockey. It was NOT DUE TO PLAYERS OF INFLATED VALUE MAKING MILLIONS. By The Way, the IHF was suspended. Can You think of such action against BCCI.
The thing is in Cricket the setup is nOt bad, we do NOT have dearth of Good Players. But for obliging and catering to whims and fancy of 5 old players of HIGHLY INFLATED VALUE, we have been subjected to humiliation. which was TOTALLY AVOIDABLE.
RE:RE:Grow Up
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 05:36 PM Permalink
Why is there weak infrasturcture my friend? Do u hav answer for tht? Can I try answering the question? Bcoz ppl like u only want to watch cricket, wear what dhoni waers, drink wht doni, sachin, dravid etc etc drink, But u don't even want to watch hockey, u ppl can follow EPL, IPL,ICL etc etc, but not IHL, tht's the reason y we r the worst performers in Olympics. When u ppl think these players are not worth it, why not try to support some other games, watch n encourage other games, India has never qulaified for FIFA world cup. U ppl hardly knw how many teams participate in Indian footbal league, but U ppl seem to knw everything abt SPanish, English etc etc etc premier league. My point is u ppl are not hppy wid cricketers or cricket team but still will watch it and then when we get only one meadl u blame the poor athletes for tht, but we hav to blame ourselves. Chak De India was a movie on hockey, but we use it to cheer Indian Cricket team. We give them hero's welcome when they win, but when womens hockey team, or atheltes perform well in Commonwealth games ppl don't even bother giving them hero's welcome. Shame on u for putting the blame on me n making fun of me. I am more Indian than u bcoz I care for India & its athletes.
I don't think our Indian batsmen, at the present situation, could play well again these two Ms (Murali & Mendis). No player is looking to settle, consolidate and strenthen the game, they all are in the success/failure mood of IPL. Success in terms of failed/success play and money (less/high)....as expected...
Common ppl, don't be restless. Its true that we Indians are restless. If we lose u cry about it. If we win a match then ppl are short of words to praise the same players u ppl are talking abt. Oh God Save India and we Indians.
RE:RE:Oh God we Indians
by A Singh on Jul 29, 2008 04:22 PM Permalink
Nonsense! You are not the only one who has brains. Nobody is crying because we lost. We are upset because we have been humiliated. Nobody would mind if India were to go down fighting. But there was no fight, and that is why people are angry. God save India from dreamers like you, who are looking for positives even from a crushing defeat like this.
RE:Oh God we Indians
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 04:27 PM Permalink
Hello Mr. Singh, plz get ur facts right, half of the team were playing after 3-4 months. Don't over react, wht do u think after a long break will u be able to do ur job 100%, when u play against quality spin bowling and u hav players u have not played for 3-4 months u expect them 2 score 100's straight away. If u hav observed and not DREAMING players who were playing all this while (Shewag, Gambhir, Ishanth etc) did a decent job. Dont talk nonsense. U hav problem then don't support them support the poor athletes or hockey players, u don't want 2 do tht either but come up with nonsense her. God save u.
RE:Oh God we Indians
by A Singh on Jul 29, 2008 04:33 PM Permalink
Halo Mr Viswanath. If the players were not match fit, why could they not do a Dhoni and take rest. Since they offered themselves for selection, it is implied that they thought they were match fit. Any third or fourth string Indian XI would not have done worse. The trouble is: that it was our best team. If our Cricketers were honest, aand had the guts to accept that they were not fit, a different team would have played, with same results, and nobody would have minded, but a Team with God in its ranks folding in like this! Unpardonable. People are fully justified in their reaction.
RE:Oh God we Indians
by vishwanath ks on Jul 29, 2008 04:39 PM Permalink
Mr Singh, except for sachin everyone was fit. U ppl need to understand, tht playing Murali is not a stroll in the park. U need 2 spend some time n prepare for tht. And also these fab 4 u ppl r blaming hav not faced mendis b4 this. If india loses the series then u ppl r justified in reacting like this. Just don't over react. Plz wait till the series is over n then give these comments.
